BA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7 Posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5647 times:
Following the thread on KL 733s, I thought I'd ask what the future looks like for the KL Fokkers. AKAI can see, they seem to be aging a bit and given Fokkers..ahem... inactivity, what will replace them?
F70/F100 fleet is 16.5 average years of age
F50 is 10.5 average years of age.
Both are quite high, especially for regional aircraft
HB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4531 posts, RR: 71
Reply 1, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5618 times:
The Fokker fleet is in the process of receiving a cabin retrofit, so I'd venture to say that KLM is not about to let go of these aircraft, which seem to perfectly serve their purpose within the airline's regional network.
EGBJ From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 498 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5103 times:
Now that F70/100 production is shut down, and Fokker are long gone, how do KLM maintain these birds? Do they have a hard time sourcing spare parts etc and do you think they'd consider buying the new Rekkof birds whenever (if ever) they are built.
Trinxat From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4981 times:
Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 7): I've been on a few KL F100s and F70s recently and they all seemed to be in good condition including the interiors. I also find their seats more comfortable than KL's 737s.
wow, I can't agree to that! Specialy if you compare them to the new extra-thin Recaro seats that KL 738/9 have. The fokker seats are too stiff, and the cabin feels very tight for a 2-3 seating. I wonder how much narrow is the F100 cabin compared to a 717, as it feels considerably more claustrophobic
I hate those fokkers, I always try to avoid KLM cityhopper because of them. I would rather fly on a CRJ or a BAe146 or an E170 with no hesitation.
HAM From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 288 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4954 times:
Recently I´ve been on a refurbished F100 and it seemed modern enough for the coming 5-10 years. I guess the average passenger will think it´s a modern plane and won´t complain about those Fokkers. I like them because they´re different than all the As and Bs - for example with those egg-shaped windows. It´s also nice to fly to the Netherlands on a plane which has been built in that country.
Mennix From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4912 times:
I love the F 50. If I fly from CGN or DUS to AMS they mostly have the F 50. Best is at stormy weather. It is incredible to see how this small planes handles the strong winds at AMS. After one of those flights you know what flying is.
MH017 From Netherlands, joined Apr 2005, 1698 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4845 times:
Cityhopper will take-in more 'newer' F100's to replace 'older' ones, to extend the operation of this aircraft for a few more years, until a suitable replacement can be found (Sukhoi RRJ ?), so, basically 'buying some time' this way...
Only PH-OFP was delivered yesterday, 31/01/07, as KL7151 from WOE to AMS...PH-OFO will take some more weeks to grace SPL's runway
I for one have never flown on the fokker , and have nothing to say about it besides i kinda like the way it looks from the exterior. I would however rather try one of the 50s/70s/100s instead of a CRJ200
Aviopic From Netherlands, joined Mar 2004, 2681 posts, RR: 41
Reply 24, posted (8 years 1 month 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 3625 times:
Quoting AMSSFO (Reply 19): So spare parts and maintenace are secured through Fokker
Apart from the spares and A/C mx(Woensdrecht), component mx(Schiphol) also product engineering, design engineering, customer support, space, elmo(wiring for Airbus, Boeing, JSF etc..), aerostructures(glare and other structural items for A and B etc....).
All in all 10.000 employees still(and/or again) in business and to give a little impression: when I started at Fokker in 1980 we had a total of 6000 people, at the highest peak around 12.000 and at the time Fokker went broke around 8000.
The truth lives in one’s mind, it doesn’t really exist
: KLMexel used to fly with the ATR http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0884704/M/
: If they want to stay with jets. Given the high fuel prices isn't it a possibility we may see a switch to larger props? What airline takes delivery of
: I am sorry Keesje but that's incorrect but I don't know what to think of this website. In the past KL/UK did indeed mx for the KL/UK fleet(F100) and
: That's a wicked cool airplane. I gotta get me one of those. Steve
: - KLM E&M does (heavy) airframe checks on F50, F70 and F100 since it took over KLM UK long ago. - F50 Line Miantenance is done at SPL by Nayak - F70/
: Don't agree. For example the ex TAM frames go to WOE for heavy mx and/or overhaul not Norwich, KL E&M is not involved in anything. E&M did not decide
: Yeah, forgot about that one So I guess I'm right huh? No, what I mean is KLC of course. IMHO ATR(72) or Dash8(400) will replace the F50 and F70, and