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US Replacement Order For 737  
User currently offlineCltguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 598 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11867 times:

Well now that the Delta merger is over we can focus on more fun things. Such as will US Airways replace their 737 fleet with Airbus A319/20?

On the earnings call yesterday USAirways management stated they would be announcing "very soon" an airplane order to replace their 737-300/400 fleet. They currently have 96 B737 in their fleet.

If they had merged with Delta then it was a foregone conclusion they would have ordered new 737s. Now that deal is off it looks like Airbus is back on top.

Looks to me like US Airways could be announcing an order for about 100 Airbus A320s soon.

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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11861 times:

Here's an interesting idea: HP had the A318 on order (with the P&W 6000 engine), but backed out of the deal post 9/11 after the P&W 6000 fiasco.

Now that that's been solved (P&W 6000A), any chance we might see the baby bus at HP/US?



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User currently offlineEvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11833 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 1):
Now that that's been solved (P&W 6000A), any chance we might see the baby bus at HP/US?

I highly doubt it. Embraer has the in now. USAirways started taking deliveries on the 190's. They will probably see how they integrate and then place an E190/195 order and a 319/320/321 order.


User currently offlineCXA330300 From South Africa, joined May 2004, 1567 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11831 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 1):


Now that that's been solved (P&W 6000A), any chance we might see the baby bus at HP/US?

Perhaps if they're replacing 737-500s, but I'm predicting more 319s and 320s.



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User currently offlineDanairbus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11820 times:

Quoting CXA330300 (Reply 3):
Perhaps if they're replacing 737-500s

US only operates the 737-300/400 not the 500's


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11816 times:

It would be nice to see US obtain a handful of 737NG's. But thats just me....


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User currently offlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 859 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11778 times:

I havent heard anything about us looking at the 318 again, but I schlepp bags for a living. Personally I like the 318. If I recall our 318s were to hold about 112 pax, but with the new ERJs coming online, who knows what the company will do.


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User currently offlineEvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11757 times:

With Boeing being one of the main creditors rebuffing US in the DL merger, Mr. Parker might just snub Boeing back.

User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11740 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 5):
It would be nice to see US obtain a handful of 737NG's. But thats just me....

Agreed. I think the 737 looks incredible in the new US scheme. But, I don't see it happening.



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User currently offlineUSAF336TFS From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1445 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11692 times:

Quoting EvilForce (Reply 7):
With Boeing being one of the main creditors rebuffing US in the DL merger, Mr. Parker might just snub Boeing back.

I can see your point. Just another reason that the whole idea was a bad one in the first place.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11668 times:

Quoting Floridaflyboy (Reply 8):
But, I don't see it happening.

I agree. Its wishful thinking. US has a huge Airbus fleet and is very loyal to them. AND....the 737 line is backlogged for so many years now. So getting any 737NG frames for US isn't going to happen....UNLESS Parker looks at the 739LR.



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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26025 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11655 times:

According to employee meetings, Parker has stated both the A32X and 737NG families are viable candidates.

Due to the potential large order and the economics of scale, a A32x order is far from a done deal according to him. With both US East and West having lots of 737 experience and with much of the needed infrastructure already existing the Boeing types are very viable candidates, with pricing terms being the single largest factor of a future order.



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4125 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11572 times:

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 10):
I agree. Its wishful thinking. US has a huge Airbus fleet and is very loyal to them. AND....the 737 line is backlogged for so many years now. So getting any 737NG frames for US isn't going to happen....UNLESS Parker looks at the 739LR.

As much as I like boeing and would prefer to see all US flag carriers go with them, I think Doug Parker has an axe to grind with them and will go for the Airbus A318/19/20 option. Any bets as to who gets the engine contract? RR? P&W?



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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11522 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 12):
I think Doug Parker has an axe to grind with them and will go for the Airbus A318/19/20 option.

Are you referring to the fact that Boeing was on the DL creditors committee? If so, I think you may be on to something.
Edit: However, their current large fleet of A320s has got to count for something too!

[Edited 2007-01-31 22:32:22]


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 11442 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 12):
Any bets as to who gets the engine contract? RR? P&W?

As I recall, GE and Airbus were the primary financiers of the "Save our bacon" HP/US merger deal, so I wouldn't be suprised to see all narrowbody Airbii CFM powered...



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User currently offlineLCFreeman49 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11267 times:

US needs wide bodies as well as narrow bodies, if you ask me...


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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3083 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11242 times:

I forsee a happy airbus in the coming month or two.

Replacing 93 737, that will be a large order.

Don't think that US will get any 737NG, as they already have A320's.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11233 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 14):
As I recall, GE and Airbus were the primary financiers of the "Save our bacon" HP/US merger deal, so I wouldn't be suprised to see all narrowbody Airbii CFM powered...

Actually when they announced the additional A321 order in 2006, neither CFM or IAE engines were specified. I could see engine choice going either way.


User currently offlineEvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11200 times:

Quoting LCFreeman49 (Reply 18):
US needs wide bodies as well as narrow bodies, if you ask me...

Desperately. But what can they get soon? 1/2 dozen 767s?


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2223 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11197 times:
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Didn't US Airways order 15 x A321 some months ago? Maybe they will fly fewer flights with bigger airplanes? US Airways is the world's largest A321 operator already, aren't they? The A321 is a beauty... more of them, please  Smile


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User currently offlineLumberton From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 4708 posts, RR: 20
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11200 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 16):
I forsee a happy airbus in the coming month or two.

Personal opinion only, the NB order for US will go to Airbus. Yes, Airbus will be happy, but no where near as happy had US and DL merged! How many MD80s are coming up for replacement at DL? IMO (and this is an opinion--no links or sources) US would have been more willing than DL to consider moving to Airbus for the MD80 replacement.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11180 times:

Quoting Cltguy (Thread starter):
If they had merged with Delta then it was a foregone conclusion they would have ordered new 737s. Now that deal is off it looks like Airbus is back on top.

I don't think it was a foregone conclusion. The Airbus fleet would have still been larger.

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 10):
AND....the 737 line is backlogged for so many years now.

The A320 backlog is longer, however Airbus is planning to increase their rate.

My guess, however, is that US Airways has options that can be converted, and they will get favorable slots.

NS


User currently offlineEvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11181 times:

Quoting CRJ900 (Reply 20):
Didn't US Airways order 15 x A321 some months ago?

Yes. They have 28 now I believe.


User currently offlineAA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 5915 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11152 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 14):
Airbii CFM powered

Particularly since neither Rolls NOR Pratt even offer engines for the A320...


User currently offlineLCFreeman49 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 11155 times:

Quoting EvilForce (Reply 19):
Desperately. But what can they get soon? 1/2 dozen 767s?

I was doingsome research there are some 767's parked in the desert as well as some 777's, I am unsure if they could get them but they would be a solution in the short term.

I see US having to fight for their very survival now even with making a profit because they are so behind on the International wave.

Just my two cents.



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25 EvilForce : Keep in mind US is the dominant airline in the Caribbean. Narrowbody CASM with international RASM. Not bad at all.
26 Post contains images KELPkid : Not entirely true...isn't the IAE V2500 a 50/50 joint venture between Pratt and Rolls?
27 EvilForce : From 2008 to 2010 US will already take deliveries of 37 320 family aircraft. 15 - A321 9 - A320 13 - A319
28 Gigneil : I am reasonably confident AA would disagree with you on that, and they would be right. NS
29 LCFreeman49 : Isn't American the dominant carrier in the Carribean?
30 Post contains images Ca2ohHP : They'll pick up DL's 737-800's in liquidation, install 190 seats at 28" pitch and expand to Japan via Hawaii and Guam. Seriously come on man...Like I
31 LCFreeman49 : US owns the rights to Japan from HP, correct?
32 Post contains images EvilForce : Sorry I should have said "a dominant carrier" not "the". Two lashes for me.
33 Flyboyaz : No, HP actually sold the rights to NW many years ago. CO now operates the route...not sure if NW does anymore.
34 Socalfive : ...Which is EXACTLY why Both A & B are being considered. My money is on the Airbus for the most obvious of all possible reasons. Yeah, except this is
35 Timboflier215 : It's about 1/3 RR, 1/3 P&W and the rest is a couple of Japanese companies. But yeah, GE, P&W and RR don't offer enignes for the A320 series on their
36 COERJ145 : US's Airbus's are CFM powered, while HP's Airbus's are IAE. My bet is CFM, as more than half of US's Airbus fleet is CFM(102 CFM and 95 IAE).
37 Necigrad : That's not much of a difference, like maybe 5-7%. And isn't the IAE more fuel efficient? The Airbus or Boeing is wide open. There are good reasons fo
38 Gigneil : They already respecified all the new orders and deferrals as part of the new company to be delivered as CFM. NS
39 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : Just curious - why would they be able to get slots for a 739ER if there aren't slots for another subtype? Or do you think they would wait for them? U
40 AirframeAS : I never suggested nor said that. There is a difference between LOOKING at the 739ER and GETTING slots for the 739ER....a HUGE difference.
41 Charliejag1 : Crossing my fingers that we don't go with Airbus just because 'we owe them'. I sure hope not, we would be better off with 73NG's and 787s (in the fut
42 Adam T. : I agree as well....one question though, isn't US supposed to start receiving some A330-200s in the next year or two? I'm guessing those are coming in
43 Steeler83 : True, demand is far greater than the supply now, especially the rate at which the demand is satiated by supply (rate of production). They can only pr
44 SEPilot : You'd be surprised; I've often said that international diplomacy is carried on at the level of 3-year olds in a sandbox and unfortunately sometimes b
45 Mah584jr : No A330's are currently on order from US. This rumor continues to pop up. They had some on order but they were dropped a few years back.
46 Post contains images Steeler83 : Crap!! Well that was just foolish on US' part, and mine for not realizing that those were rumors
47 D L X : I didn't think these were rumors. US initially ordered 30 A330s (firm plus options). Can you tell us how you know? I'm looking for a definitive answe
48 Gigneil : No, its not a rumor. We've repeatedly showed the purchase agreement reached for delivery of the planes as part of the exit from bankruptcy, which res
49 Jdwfloyd : No, there are still 10 A330-200s scheduled to be delivered over the next few years.
50 Columba : Doubtful with their large A32x fleet but who knows I did not expect to see AB ordering additional 737s after their A32x order. The 737NG and A320 can
51 Jdwfloyd : The current orders for widebodies on the books at Airbus for US include: (10) A330-200s to start to be delivered late 2008 early 2009 (20) A350-XXX th
52 UsAirways16bwi : to replace 737-300/400, i could see a massive A32X order, along with E190s that would do well on some former 737 routes. sure -700s or -800s would be
53 Scbriml : But then, he's hardly likely to say "Yep, this is a slam-dunk for Airbus." Doh! Why exactly? Given US seems very happy with their A32x fleet. Why not
54 Post contains images N1120A : What for? To go back to the pre-Wolf era of operating every fleet type under the sun? Snub? His airline is a majority Airbus carrier, there will be n
55 PHLBOS : While old US going for Airbus over Boeing after the Flt. 427 crash has been mentioned/discussed before; other than getting a good deal and liking the
56 Columba : Did not America West took delivery of the Braniff A320s after they went bankrupt ? I guess that HP took advantage of getting brand new aircraft very
57 N1120A : HP is far from all Airbus, but I get where you are going. HP's reasoning would likely have been two fold. Good marketing by Airbus and more important
58 PHLBOS : Since one or two of you commented on the above-post; I will clarify it here instead of editing the original post. I meant HP going all Airbus in term
59 Post contains links and images A330323X : You recall wrong. GECAS and Airbus were far from the primary financiers of the merger; the equity financing was a good deal larger and more important
60 PlanesNTrains : No need to get defensive. I merely asked for clarification. You said: "AND....the 737 line is backlogged for so many years now. So getting any 737NG
61 PlanesNTrains : Agreed. In the context of the post, it seemed relevant to make the comparison, but I agree with your point. -Dave
62 Steeler83 : Ah, well... maybe they could get their hands on some additional planes like those A330s from Austrian. I suppose US can wait another year or two, but
63 HPRamper : They are working on the international routes as fast as they can get the aircraft. Our load factors show that there will always be plenty of pax to s
64 PHLBOS : Not sure of the A330 count; but I know US has 10 767s in their fleet... all of which (for those that might ask) have been repainted in the new scheme
65 Ca2ohHP : Interesting....the question has been brought up numerous times in company newsletters and we've been told no decision was made. Thanks for the info t
66 Gigneil : Spirit isn't even close... NS
67 AirframeAS : The last I heard was 2015. Dont quote me on that though.
68 Silentbob : Given the delay before 320 or 737 frames become available, might we see some additional 190/195 ordered as interim replacements?
69 Kunta67 : My two cents belives it's going to be a split emb 195/a320 order. They have the 190 coming online and they already operate a bunch of 319/320/321's. I
70 HPAEAA : I'd agree with Ca2ohHP, why would they? the aircraft is still not due out till 2013... and since US ordered it, it's been overhauled... why would the
71 Post contains images Abbamd : The winner will be who drops their pants.
72 Post contains images SonOfACaptain : Well, clearly, Airbus will be the winner here. By Bill Rigby NEW YORK, Jan 15 (Reuters) - Jean Pierson, the colorful Frenchman who built Airbus into
73 Cba : Although a 733/734 replacement order is likely to go in the Airbus direction, they are looking at 90+ air frames, so commonality wise, introducing the
74 Manni : Judging by last years output (302 737 aircraft) and the 737 backlog at the end of 2006 (1560), Boeing would have to decrease production in order to s
75 Columba : Well AF operates both as well. I, too, don´t believe we will see the A318 with US but the A318 could make sense together with the E-Jets on long a
76 Mah584jr : They currently own and operate 9 A330-300s. I see that, but the thing is I emailed their HR and they said that the orders were no longer on the books
77 Steeler83 : If it were me, I would pick one piece of equipment to use on such routes and stick with it. Why use two different products for the same routes? Find
78 Post contains images Lightsaber : I happen to agree with this. It wouldn't surprise me to see 1/3rd or so of the 737's replaced with E190's. (I doubt the E195 due to the extra f/a.) N
79 Jdwfloyd : I assure that the information that you received from HR was wrong. I have friends that work in Tempe and they are already starting to prepare for the
80 N1120A : Yes. No one is arguing that. It is not as if Embraer is exactly sitting around waiting for orders either. That is pure fantasy land. What would HR kn
81 Post contains images KevinSmith : I heard the other day that NW is getting rid of it's DC-9 and US was gonna by them to replace the 737s
82 Post contains links Danny : US Airways says it plans to place a narrowbody order shortly to replace its ageing fleet of Boeing 737-300s and -400s. http://www.flightglobal.com/art
83 MCOflyer : I agree and think its a 50/50 chance. Boeing may offer incentives to get US back. We shall see what happens. MCOflyer
84 Silentbob : I agree, but I thought they had slots available long before Airbus or Boeing.
85 Etops1 : hey remember, boeing came out with a poster for usairways that has a 757 painted in the new colors surrounded by pictures of all the a/c and liveries
86 Post contains links and images Whappeh :
87 HPAEAA : I love that poster... where can it be ordered? anyone know? On a side not regarding the quote... I remeber a recent article about boeing where they w
88 Post contains images Zippyjet : Sharp in the new llivery. Who says "Barbie Jets" can't be stylish?
89 Whappeh : I only saw this copy I had saved on my computer on the employee site thingie. Never saw a link to buy or anything. Call Boeing PR and ask maybe?
90 Post contains links EvilForce : US Airways Group Inc. may announce an order for about 60 new aircraft by midyear after dropping its $9.75 billion hostile takeover bid for Delta Air L
91 EvilForce : Dang! Those are sexy.
92 N1120A : How long till those end up in purple and white hauling letters? Sure, and the smaller aircraft take less time to build. Still, you can't exactly repl
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