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It's Sure: IB To Serve BOS, IAD + DME Twice A Day  
User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6031 times:

Manuel López, Iberias' sales manager commented to the Spanish Aviation Magazine Avion Revue that IB will serve both, Washington and Boston.

IB will decide next days what will be done in first place, IAD or BOS. Anyway, next year 2008, IB will serve IAD and BOS. Also the Spanish carrier will have a new 340-600 aircraft in April according to IB sales manager (at the end, that rumor was true  Wink )

On the other hand, he assured a second daily Madrid-Moscow flight, scheduled from next June.

In Spanish, literally he said: estamos a la espera de tomar la decisión definitiva [de volar a Washington o Boston] coincidiendo con la llegada, el próximo mes de Abril de un nuevo A340-600 (...) Lo que está totalmente confirmado es el segundo vuelo diario Madrid-Moscú a partir del próximo mes de Junio.

Starting third of March, IB will flight OTP twice weekly as well.


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6010 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Thread starter):
Starting third of March, IB will flight OTP twice weekly as well.

will made a twice weekly service sence? they should offer a daily service, as I understand the Rumanion comunity in Spain is growing a lot + there is a good potential for conections to SouthAmerica



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11130 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5994 times:

I don't know how Iberia thinks they are ever going to be successful in the MAD-BOS/IAD markets. Perhaps I'll be proved wrong, but I just don't see either working -- they are just too narrow of markets to/from Spain.

Both markets could provide a little bit of feed from AA: BOS provides DFW, ORD, LAX, SFO, LGA, YYZ, RDU and BGR, while IAD would get DFW, ORD and LAX. But not a single one of those markets -- with the exception of BGR, which probably provides a grand total of 5 O&D passengers to MAD per year, and LGA, which shares its market with JFK, don't already have online, same-ticket connections available to MAD via the existing AA/IB codeshare. Given this, is the O&D from either of these markets really there to support these flights? I don't think so.

Personally, I think IB would be more successful in using these aircraft to start flying from Barcelona to JFK and/or Miami, perhaps JFK in the summer and Miami in the winter, or launch a flight to Asia -- maybe Tokyo for the O&D if they can get the slots or Hong Kong for the CX/oneworld connections.


User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5942 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 1):

will made a twice weekly service sence?

For starting, I think so.

Rememeber also Tarom serves MAD and AZ provides a good connection between Madrid and Romania.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 1):
there is a good potential for conections to SouthAmerica

Umm, did you say from OTP to South America??

Quoting Commavia (Reply 2):
I don't know how Iberia thinks they are ever going to be successful in the MAD-BOS/IAD markets

IB is pretty conservative to open new destinations. Manuel López also said they have good marketing figures to assure that IAD and BOS will work well. (I may give you the link in Spanish)

Quoting Commavia (Reply 2):
I think IB would be more successful in using these aircraft to start flying from Barcelona to JFK and/or Miami,

Madrid's T4 is the Iberia's main hub.

They don't want starting any Intercontinental flight to/from BCN or to Asia from MAD.

UX was the last one to try a MAD-Asia flight. Unfortunatley, right now and just like IB said, there is not yield to fly Far East from MAD/BCN non-stop.

The exception is TG on the MAD-BKK-MAD non-stop.



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5929 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 2):
I don't know how Iberia thinks they are ever going to be successful in the MAD-BOS/IAD markets. Perhaps I'll be proved wrong, but I just don't see either working -- they are just too narrow of markets to/from Spain.

Both markets could provide a little bit of feed from AA: BOS provides DFW, ORD, LAX, SFO, LGA, YYZ, RDU and BGR, while IAD would get DFW, ORD and LAX. But not a single one of those markets -- with the exception of BGR, which probably provides a grand total of 5 O&D passengers to MAD per year, and LGA, which shares its market with JFK, don't already have online, same-ticket connections available to MAD via the existing AA/IB codeshare. Given this, is the O&D from either of these markets really there to support these flights? I don't think so.

Personally, I think IB would be more successful in using these aircraft to start flying from Barcelona to JFK and/or Miami, perhaps JFK in the summer and Miami in the winter, or launch a flight to Asia -- maybe Tokyo for the O&D if they can get the slots or Hong Kong for the CX/oneworld connections.

doesnt have BOS a relative big Spanish comunity? On the other side a flight to HKG sounds intresting due all the conections that CX could provide and IB code-share on it. But the Spain-Asia market is relativ thin and already good served via all other european hubs.



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5925 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 3):
Umm, did you say from OTP to South America??

yes correct, there is even cargo moved that could give IB some money, specially into Colombia and Venezuela (Renault - Dacia comes in my mind)



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32193 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5908 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 2):
I don't know how Iberia thinks they are ever going to be successful in the MAD-BOS/IAD markets.

Agreed. BOS-MAD could work with a 757, though, IMO.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):
doesnt have BOS a relative big Spanish comunity?

No. They have a large Portuguese community, mainly for the Azores.

Quoting SKY1 (Thread starter):
estamos a la espera de tomar la decisión definitiva [de volar a Washington o Boston] coincidiendo con la llegada, el próximo mes de Abril de un nuevo A340-600 (...) Lo que está totalmente confirmado es el segundo vuelo diario Madrid-Moscú a partir del próximo mes de Junio.

That does not confirm they are going to fly to Boston and Washington. It confirms they are going to make a descission soon about flying to either one. Nowhere does he say that they will definitley be flying to Boston and/or Dulles. I still believe they won't.

The A340 is way too big an aircraft to be profitably flying Boston-Madrid outside of July/August. And, for whatever reason it is, secondary European airlines, like bmi, Swiss, Spanair, and Alitalia, have never been able to make Dulles work. Iberia likely will face the same situation. They have enough trouble profitably filling up Chicago-Madrid, and that's a huge oneWorld hub.

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 3):

The exception is TG on the MAD-BKK-MAD non-stop.

Air China flies Madrid-Beijing, non-stop.

[Edited 2007-02-01 03:27:31]


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7524 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5895 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 2):
Personally, I think IB would be more successful in using these aircraft to start flying from Barcelona to JFK and/or Miami

As SKY1 mentioned, IB is no longer interested in flying long haul from BCN. While I agree a non-stop BCN-JFK with IB would be great, this won't happen.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 2):
or launch a flight to Asia -- maybe Tokyo for the O&D if they can get the slots or Hong Kong for the CX/oneworld connections

Well, JL will also be a oneworld carrier, so the connections argument would work for NRT too. However, obtaining the slots would be complicated. Besides, again, as SKY1 mentioned, I don't think there are good yields to be obtained right now in MAD-Asia non-stops by IB.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11130 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5884 times:

I agree with/understand what several others have said about the Madrid/Spain-Asia nonstop market -- it may well be too soft right now to support nonstop flights on a regular/year-round basis. However, my thinking was somewhat predicated on the notion that perhaps if Iberia was able to develop even a minimal amount of O&D demand for Spain-Asia, perhaps they could use their new Madrid T4 hub to channel passengers from South America onto the Asia flights, and develop Madrid as an Argentina/Brazil/Columbia/Ecuador-Asia nexus.

Just a thought, but I agree that it likely won't happen anytime soon, if ever.  Smile


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5865 times:

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 7):
I don't think there are good yields to be obtained right now in MAD-Asia non-stops by IB.

but arent ticket prices from spain to asia very expensive? at least it was till 2 year ago due the limited seats offered on the market...

Quoting Commavia (Reply 8):
Madrid T4 hub to channel passengers from South America onto the Asia flights, and develop Madrid as an Argentina/Brazil/Columbia/Ecuador-Asia nexus.

yes, specially from Colombia and Ecuador.... as they have currently limited service, Argentina and Brazil have already better conections as more European carrier are online to these two countrys, anyway complete SouthAmerica could help to fill up the flights...



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User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5849 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):
But the Spain-Asia market is relativ thin and already good served via all other european hubs

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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
That does not confirm they are going to fly to Boston and Washington.

Yes, according to Avion revue interviewing Manuel López Colmenarejo the right answer is "yes":

Quoting SKY1 (Thread starter):
Manuel López, Iberias' sales manager commented to the Spanish Aviation Magazine Avion Revue that IB will serve both, Washington and Boston.

Like I see you can read Spanish, you can see the magazine, February issue. (I saw Avion Revue at the States)

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 6):
Air China flies Madrid-Beijing, non-stop.

That flight is only 2 months ago. And by now, loads are very poor.

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 7):
As SKY1 mentioned, IB is no longer interested in flying long haul from BCN.

That's for sure.

Other European airlines, specially AF and LH take many BCN pax to fly Intercontinental; Exception one more time:South America.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32193 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5818 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 10):

Yes, according to Avion revue interviewing Manuel López Colmenarejo the right answer is "yes":

I assume you can obviously read Spanish better than I can, but I've spoken Spanish since I was a kid, and from the quote you have given us, it says nowhere that they are definitley flying to Boston or Washington. It simply says that they are "waiting to decide" on flying to one. Nothing else. Of course, the full article might say something else, but the quote doesn't say that, or I could possibly be missing something in the gist of the translation.

I think it is pretty likely that they won't be flying to Boston or Washington soon.



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User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5798 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 11):
It simply says that they are "waiting to decide" on flying to one.

...on flying to one this next April, to follow with tha another one next year  Wink ...all according to the IB Sales Manager, M. López.

Mr. López also said: lo que si puedo avanzar es que las estimaciones que hemos realizado para los dos destinos son muy similares, y esto es muy positivo porque significa que, con toda probabilidad, vamos a abrir las dos rutas; este año una, y en 2008 otra

Con toda probabilidad= with all kind of possibility (if you have a better translation try yourself since Spanish is my first language)



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32193 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5781 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 12):
.on flying to one this next April, to follow with tha another one next year Wink ...all according to the IB Sales Manager, M. López.

They can't fly there in April. Spain-US doesn't have Open Skies. They haven't even applied for the route.

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 12):
Con toda probabilidad= with all kind of possibility (if you have a better translation try yourself since Spanish is my first language)

"Con toda probabilidad" means "likely" anyway you put it. It does not mean "definitiva", and it certainly is not definite.



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User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5754 times:

hahaha ...this looks like a grammar thread, instead civil aviation.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 13):
Con toda probabilidad" means "likely" anyway you put it

likely means "probablemente", which indicates a bigger vagueness than "con toda probabilidad". Ask to any Spanish language teacher  Wink

This Sales Manager is saying IB will fly IAD/BOS with a 99% of probability.

According my English-Spanish dic. con toda probabilidad means in English "in all likelihood"



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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5752 times:

Any ideas as to were the A340-600 is coming from? Will she be factory fresh or coming from another airline?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32193 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 3 weeks ago) and read 5690 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 14):

According my English-Spanish dic. con toda probabilidad means in English "in all likelihood"

In English, "in all likelihood" and "likely" are pretty much the same thing. They are used interchangeably. The fact that I was pointing out was that nowhere does it say it is definite.

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 14):
hahaha ...this looks like a grammar thread, instead civil aviation.

Ha, kind of true. Let's get back to non-grammar.



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5643 times:

If they market it correctly I think BOS could work although I'm a bit skeptical.
I hoped TP would enter BOS before IB but it's looking unlikely. MAD is pretty well located as a hub to Southern Europe. I see the route mostly as a leisure market with a lot of passengers using it to get to Spain, Italy and the South of France. There are virtually no social or economic links between New England and Spain, that is why I think they're going after the passengers traveling to/from the above mentioned countries.


User currently offlineAisak From Spain, joined Aug 2005, 760 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5518 times:

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 15):
ny ideas as to were the A340-600 is coming from? Will she be factory fresh or coming from another airline?

One from AF and another one from VS


User currently offlineFermarta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5488 times:

Boston is already confirmed. Starting in May 5x weekly with A343.

User currently offlineBostonBeau From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 462 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5477 times:

Iberia used to serve Boston in the 70s with a daily DC-10 from Madrid. The flight continued somewhere (I believe Philadelphia, but I could be wrong). There was an incident in 1973 in which the aircraft overran the runway on landing. No one was injured/killed, but the ruined plane sat at the airport for quite a while.

User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5435 times:

Quoting Aisak (Reply 18):
One from AF and another one from VS

Air France only operates A340-300's and I doubt Virgin is getting rid of any of their A340-600's.

I think those are the A340's going to Air Comet, no?



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User currently offlineClrd4t8koff From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5405 times:

Quoting Fermarta (Reply 19):
Boston is already confirmed. Starting in May 5x weekly with A343.

Generally I would prefer to see your source, but I do believe that BOS will be the first choice. Smaller (or I guess you could say 2nd tier) European airlines like Aer Lingus, Swiss, Sabena (when they were around) have all been successful at making BOS work. I belive Iberia, with the right marketing and timing of flights for connections, can make BOS work also.


User currently offlineFermarta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5356 times:

Quoting Clrd4t8koff (Reply 22):
Generally I would prefer to see your source,

Iberia intranet.


User currently offlineBAGoldEx From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 311 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5334 times:

Any guess on when a public announcement might come?

25 MAH4546 : I'm shocked. Guess I was wrong. I wish Iberia luck if this is true, they need it.
26 IAD380 : I could find no confirmation on IB's website in either English or Spanish that the airline is starting flights between MAD and BOS in May. The online
27 Post contains images SKY1 : I was right Then, within few moths, IAD will be confirmed Maybe IB is pretty optimistic with those new destinations. But also remember IB is a very v
28 IAD380 : The website for IB does not confirm your claim that five weekly flights from MAD to BOS on an A343 start in May. Nor does the website mention IB fligh
29 Post contains links Fermarta : (In Spanish): http://www.eleconomista.es/empresas-...nos-internacionales-de-Iberia.html Felix Garcia Viejobueno, Iberia Customer Service Director, has
30 Post contains images SKY1 : I wonder why not LAX
31 JJJ : LAX or SFO it's all the same, I will believe it when I see it.
32 Fermarta : Well, new flight is already available at Iberia.com, it is also at amadeus.net: From June 1st: IB3808 MAD-DME 2345 0635+1 A319 IB3809 DME-MAD 0725 10
33 BAGoldEx : Poor quality translation from google, but it makes the point Madrid, 1 feb (EFECOM). - Iberia will have flights between Madrid and Bucharest and Bosto
34 IAD380 : Thank you for posting the article. Maybe IB will update its website soon to announce its new flights to BOS and DME. The article says that IB is study
35 Post contains links B752OS : http://grupo.iberia.es/portal/site/g...c783c70110VgnVCM100000930216ac____ I took that from the IB website. This is good news for BOS, another European
36 KLM685 : Good News for IB, IAD and BOS! A new sight for spotters up there. [quote=SKY1,reply=10]Avion revue[/quote Although I wish Iberia good luck in it's US
37 Gigneil : I would go so far as to say no, this is horrible news for IB. Good for IAD and BOS, tho. NS
38 Jfk777 : If Iberia were to go to Asia Hong Kong would be the obvious destination with Cathay as a ONEWORLD partner. HKG is in the center of ASia with proximity
39 SKY1 : If in the mid-2008 IB is serving IAD, BOS and SFO or LAX, IB will become an European leader to fly the Americas (I'm saying the Americas) They are on
40 BoeingBus : From the Boston Globe: "Logan International Airport said this morning that nonstop service to Madrid will begin on May 6 on Spanish national airline I
41 IberiaA319 : Schedule will be: IB6261 - daily except Thursdays and Saturdays: dep. MAD: 1.25 pm arr. BOS: 3.40 pm IB6260 - daily except Thursdays and Saturdays: de
42 IAD380 : Probably not. IB launched MAD-BOM-NRT in the mid-1980s. The route was unprofitable, and IB suspended it after operating it for a short time. IB has n
43 Post contains images Mk777 : I think IB would do well from BOS or IAD (wherever they decide to fly from) if they had an onward flight to DEL or BOm and other asian destinations. I
44 BAGoldEx : Perhaps you should have actually read the above posts, they announced Boston yesterday
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