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US Withdraws Offer For DL, II  
User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 6592 times:

Continued from here:

US Withdraws Offer For DL (by DeltaFFinDFW Jan 31 2007 in Civil Aviation)

141 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineJRDC930 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6577 times:

I know ill probably get flamed, but here goes

Call me stupid or naive, but why are so many on this board hellbent on uberconsolidation? Why are there so many here who to limit competition,and create something along a duopoly or triopoly in the aviation business? To me it makes no sense. I understand that ultra low fares can negatively affect the industry, but so can ultra high fares , such as those that would result from consolidation. I detect a tone of elitism amongst those of you saying consolidation"must" happen. I for one do not look forward to a U.S. where only business men can afford to fly. In my OPINION any merger between legacies will be bad, especially for airline employees. But as some have pointed out, who cares about them or the passenger, its all about profit for the creditors right? Again just an observation, im not claiming to be an expert.

I neither love Delta nor hate Delta, but iIdo think any airline employees has a right to have a say in their companies future. (no employees no company)whether you like it or not business has to have some ethical constraints. I dont understand the "screw the employee" attitude by some on this website, regarding aviation. But I'm probably biased as ill be a commercial pilot in a few years.


User currently offlineSmashme33 From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 6558 times:

Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 1):
but why are so many on this board hellbent on uberconsolidation

Don't fret, those are the same people supersizing their fries


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3307 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6502 times:

Congrats to US on this entire endeavor. Although they did not obtain DL, it goes to show the US is strong and here to stay. It was very well-planned out with the end result being a more respectable public perception and vastly improved unity amongst the US and HP workgroups.


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6485 times:

i didn't read all of the 200+ posts, so if this was discussed, I'm sorry, but...

would US be better off bidding for NW instead? better asian network, more complimentary domestic route structure, more compatible fleets (at least the modern jets). US has A320 series, A330 series, 757s. NW has the same. DC9s and 737 classics will need to be replaced eventually, but why that's true either way. NW has 787 on order, US has A350 (old design) on order, but could go 788 without issue and STILL do A350-1000 8 years from now.

do you think parker is going to just give up on the idea of growing through acquisition? I don't think he will...



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5713 posts, RR: 24
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6482 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
would US be better off bidding for NW instead? better asian network, more complimentary domestic route structure, more compatible fleets (at least the modern jets). US has A320 series, A330 series, 757s. NW has the same. DC9s and 737 classics will need to be replaced eventually, but why that's true either way. NW has 787 on order, US has A350 (old design) on order, but could go 788 without issue and STILL do A350-1000 8 years from now.

Aside from the inherent labor problems, it would be a BETTER match than US/DL. I'm all for a CO/AA type merger myself, with CO on top.



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User currently offlineDesertAir From Mexico, joined Jan 2006, 1474 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6433 times:

There is a collective sigh of relief in the airline industry as US withdraws their bid for DL. I am also an anti merger voice. Instead of the time, energy and money that mergers take, carriers should right-size their routes and work towards better service and profitability.

Thanks JRDC930 for your comments.


User currently offlineOkie73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6408 times:

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 3):
improved unity amongst the US and HP workgroups.

yeah, tell me how unified the work groups are at US once they are actually integrated and the lawsuits start to fly over the seniority lists.


User currently offlineB727 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 6388 times:

I think it's too bad. Our country has too much capacity. I wish Delta the best, I do love the airline and fly with them every trip I can. I still was pulling for US, I think it would have been a better business plan for all involved.


B727
Glenn


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7554 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6330 times:

From the earlier thread:
Quoting Steeler83:
Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 173):
For PHL-CVG routes, it's mostly Comair metal and one 737 flight.

I am shocked! Even from an O&D gold mine like PHL they have con-air? What gives???

I'd rather nail a 2X4 to a bicycle and attempt flying that way! Or just fly US and be done with it...


I hate to break the news to you but all 5 of US' PHL-CVG r/ts are Express (ZW) flights.



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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4097 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6276 times:

Parker didn't "give up". There was a deadline, DL creditors didn't meet the deadline, so Parker called the deal dead. I have to hand it to him to not be the desperate guy offering loads more money and begging for more time.

User currently offlineFloridaflyboy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2016 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6257 times:

Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 1):
I know ill probably get flamed, but here goes

Call me stupid or naive, but why are so many on this board hellbent on uberconsolidation? Why are there so many here who to limit competition,and create something along a duopoly or triopoly in the aviation business? To me it makes no sense. I understand that ultra low fares can negatively affect the industry, but so can ultra high fares , such as those that would result from consolidation. I detect a tone of elitism amongst those of you saying consolidation"must" happen. I for one do not look forward to a U.S. where only business men can afford to fly. In my OPINION any merger between legacies will be bad, especially for airline employees. But as some have pointed out, who cares about them or the passenger, its all about profit for the creditors right? Again just an observation, im not claiming to be an expert.

I neither love Delta nor hate Delta, but iIdo think any airline employees has a right to have a say in their companies future. (no employees no company)whether you like it or not business has to have some ethical constraints. I dont understand the "screw the employee" attitude by some on this website, regarding aviation. But I'm probably biased as ill be a commercial pilot in a few years.

Incredible post. Everything I've wanted to say, but couldn't quite put into words. Welcome to my respected users list.



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User currently offlineOmoo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6229 times:

Thank god, early Valentines day present.

User currently offlineOphila From St. Kitts and Nevis, joined May 2006, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6226 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
would US be better off bidding for NW instead

yes they would have & still could but the game had to be played..if parker goes after nw 1st dl could & more than likely would have tried to marry nw, which for dl would have been very easy. us has shown their strength, they forced dl to play it's cards for the last 3 months further delaying the bk exit, if us would have succeeded with dl sweet, but despite that we went through the holiday season & their was no negative us service conversations in the media.....but back to nw..sweet combo with them & us...ther employees don't have that southern zeal of dl & damn sure will not put up a fight if airways comes knocking, they have said they have no intentions on marrying anyone, but they are in bk, and their creditors may not be as emotionally loyal as the dl people, who by the way still are not out of the woods.....i wish dl the best but..they will have to play that hand of stand alone...


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4947 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6206 times:
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Quoting Ophila (Reply 13):
they forced dl to play it's cards for the last 3 months further delaying the bk exit,

Actually, DL had always maintained that they were going to shoot for a BK exit in the first half of 2007 (even before US launched the bid publicly on Nov 15). And now, thanks to the hostile bid, DL may even be exiting a tad bit sooner than originally planned...


User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6168 times:

actually, DL had planned on an early April emergence and that date ended up being pushed back by about 3 weeks due to fighting off US.

JRDC,
you make many great points.

First, there are WAY too many people here that think that the dollar is the final and ultimate authority for how people do and should live their lives - and the more that can be obtained now, the better. This whole affair proved that DL was able to convince the creditors that better is later and that money can't overrule the political process or employees that care about their company.

I know there are a heck of alot of people that can't stand DL employees and their perceived high and mighty attitude but by golly I have a lot of respect for people who care about their company and their jobs. DL employees went through a 10 year drought but anyone that knows this industry knows that DL employees have a long-standing pride in their cmopany that made it the industry leader in customer service for years. Part of DL's turnaround is because its management - lead by Grinstein who is fully aware of DL's people assets - recognized that DL could only return to the top if it took care of its people.

There are way too many Americans that think that they are beholden to their employer and should do whatever they want or leave, regardless if it is bad for the company or the employee. workers in other parts of the world take a much more participatory role in working with management and protecting their interests. There are lots of employees of all kinds of companies that can learn from the commitment DL employees have to their cmopany and their futures - and how it translates into higher job satisfaction and

Whether G and a bunch of other execs developed a strategy 18 months ago to use employees to fight off a potential takeover (which was well known as a risk of filing for BK), we will never know. But we do know that DL has elevated its employees to a level of importance they have not known for years - and they responded very powerfully not only to fight off this hostile takeover but also to raise DL's customer service metrics as very few companies have ever done in BK.

And DL proved that money now is worth nothing to long-term investors in the airline industry if the resulting airline is so likely to end up back in bankruptcy because of the huge debt load that would have been necessary to engage in a hostile takeover of DL.

As for consolidation, yes, it probably needs to take place - but it needs to be done rationally - and it needs to be done when all players are on the same footing. US wanted to move now because NW and DL were the last two airlines to complete this phase of industry restructuring and were at a disadvantage. There were plenty of people - including in Washington - who found it just dead wrong that US - which w/ HP has been through BK 3X - should use its early advantage in moving through the BK process to take over an airline that didn't want to be acquired and was moving through the process later - but by all indications at least as successfully as US or any other airline.

The fact that DL's creditors required it to remove some of the poison pill defenses and to allow them to appoint directors that are supportive of consolidation says it is far more likely than not that DL will be involved in consolidation. However, it is also very likely that DL will be capable of being an acquirer instead of being acquired in a couple years.

The airlines that will be the acquirers will be those that present the most compelling finances and show that they are able to run airlines over the long haul. US has not demonstrated a track record for the long haul. In fact, AA probably has the strongest track record followed by CO. However, based on DL's business plan, DL will have very strong finances and will very quickly be in a position of financial leadership in the industry again. DL knew full well that fililng for BK late in the business cycle meant that it had to work fast in order to catch up - and it has done exactly that.

I still believe that the long-term acquirers in the industry will be AA, CO, and DL with UA and NW being acquired. UA's financial performance is still not where it should be and, although NW will be a strong player financially, it has significant structural limitations for it to be either an acquirer or an independent survivor. Because I dont' think US provides any real value to any acquiring company, I don't see it as a long-term survivors, although it could potentially merge with a true low fare carrier to build on the network/LCC hybrid which US began. I don't see US succeeding at buying a network carrier.

DL and its people won because they built a compelling business case that demonstrated strength for the long haul, because its people supported its mgmt as few have ever done in the airline industry, and because DL was able to find lots of legislative support in an industry where the gov't is always involved - having them on your side can make all the difference.


User currently offlineAanyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6158 times:

Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 1):
I neither love Delta nor hate Delta, but iIdo think any airline employees has a right to have a say in their companies future. (no employees no company)whether you like it or not business has to have some ethical constraints. I dont understand the "screw the employee" attitude by some on this website, regarding aviation. But I'm probably biased as ill be a commercial pilot in a few years.

Thank you for your comments. Most people have no idea the passion most of us still have for our jobs. I went through BK with EA and no matter how angry I was at management I still had a soft spot for EA. It is sad to see so many people bashing DL employees for doing all they could to remain a stand alone company. While I may not be the biggest fan of the things AA does I still enjoy my job and working with my fellow flight attendants. My father worked with the same company for 38 years before retirement and was a loyal employee. As it seems from a lot of the comments on this board most people no longer feel that way. It was nice to see the Delta employees show unity, loyalty, and a feeling of family in their support to remain independent . Thank you again for your statement and CONGRATULATIONS to all Delta employees. May they prosper and find much success with Delta in the coming years.


User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11486 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6149 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 14):
And now, thanks to the hostile bid, DL may even be exiting a tad bit sooner than originally planned...

And a little bit more expensive than originally planned too, probably.

Quoting JRDC930 (Reply 1):
I neither love Delta nor hate Delta, but iIdo think any airline employees has a right to have a say in their companies future. (no employees no company)whether you like it or not business has to have some ethical constraints. I dont understand the "screw the employee" attitude by some on this website, regarding aviation.

It's not a "screw the employee" attitude - it's a recognition that most in the middle-class don't have nearly the job security that airline workers do. The thing is, airline workers (and a few other select jobs) have an incredible amount of protection. In the rest of the working universe, mergers happen, and the workers either stay or leave. Those that leave find new jobs and life goes on! But airline employees are special. So, I take issue with calling us elitist. I don't think either airline workers nor non-airline workers are elitist, but taking a look at it this way, which group do you think comes closer to actually being elitist?



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User currently offlineCharliejag1 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6136 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 4):
would US be better off bidding for NW instead?

NO! NW has one foot in the toilet. Labor issues on a number of fronts, DC-9s, etc. DL was a good idea, but NW is not!

btw, I work for US.


User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4118 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6122 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 14):
Actually, DL had always maintained that they were going to shoot for a BK exit in the first half of 2007 (even before US launched the bid publicly on Nov 15). And now, thanks to the hostile bid, DL may even be exiting a tad bit sooner than originally planned...

An April 30th exit would not surprise me to say the least. Most analysts have pointed out that the best thing for DL to do is put the peddle to the metal now and get out of BK. DL actually did quite a bit of restructuring prior to filing chapter 11, so they are that much further along.
While I thought the idea of DL merging with HP/US was about as bad as it could get, and made absolutely no financial sense, I am a proponent of some consolidation in the industry. I think DL has it in mind that they would like to merge with a carrier like NW within the next year or so. I think Steenland and NW denied the under the table talks with DL largely due to not wanting to have the "For Sale" sign out for Doug Parker to see.



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User currently offlineD L X From United States of America, joined May 1999, 11486 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6097 times:

Quoting Aanyc (Reply 16):
It is sad to see so many people bashing DL employees for doing all they could to remain a stand alone company.

Who do you see bashing DL employees? All I see is DL employees behaving badly on here, bashing US on every opportunity they have. Even after the offer was rescinded.

Quoting WorldTraveler (Reply 15):
DL and its people won because they built a compelling business case that demonstrated strength for the long haul, because its people supported its mgmt as few have ever done in the airline industry, and because DL was able to find lots of legislative support in an industry where the gov't is always involved - having them on your side can make all the difference.

This appears to be your most biased-sounding post. Can I ask you, what dog did you have in this fight?



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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21562 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6096 times:

Quoting Charliejag1 (Reply 18):
NO! NW has one foot in the toilet.

One foot in the toilet means the other foot on a solid, tile reinforced floor.

The labor problems at NW are more likely to be resolved under new ownership and new leadership than continuation of their state of affairs.



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User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 972 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6069 times:

Quoting Aanyc (Reply 16):
Thank you for your comments. Most people have no idea the passion most of us still have for our jobs. I went through BK with EA and no matter how angry I was at management I still had a soft spot for EA. It is sad to see so many people bashing DL employees for doing all they could to remain a stand alone company.

Aanyc, thank you for your comments. I've been in the airline industry for over 20 years, and completely agree with your statement about the "passion" most of us still have for our jobs.

I had friends and relatives that were with EA, and it truly was heartbreaking to see them lose their jobs...they loved the airline.

Quoting Aanyc (Reply 16):
CONGRATULATIONS to all Delta employees. May they prosper and find much success with Delta in the coming years.

Thank you for your well wishes, and thanks to everyone on this board who stuck by DL and its employees. I sincerely hope for the best, for DL and for the entire U.S. airline industry...may we all prosper!


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6513 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6037 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 19):
I think Steenland and NW denied the under the table talks with DL largely due to not wanting to have the "For Sale" sign out for Doug Parker to see.

Do you really believe that Doug Parker does not know whether NW and DL are talking.


User currently offlineAanyc From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6033 times:

Quoting D L X (Reply 17):
It's not a "screw the employee" attitude - it's a recognition that most in the middle-class don't have nearly the job security that airline workers do. The thing is, airline workers (and a few other select jobs) have an incredible amount of protection



Quoting D L X (Reply 20):
Who do you see bashing DL employees? All I see is DL employees behaving badly on here, bashing US on every opportunity they have. Even after the offer was rescinded

I must have missed the fact that I have job security. After over 20 years in this business the only thing I have is bidding seniority and I don't even have the credit for part of it as when EA went out of business so did my years of service. Also, tell that to the former Braniff, Eastern, Pan Am, and TWA workers that no longer have a job. Also, HP/US still haven't integrated their workforce so who knows what may happen their. This business is so unpredictable, I cant understand where you get the idea that we have job security.

There was a great deal of comments regarding DL employees campaigning on keeping Delta a stand alone company. People stating business is business. Well, as I stated before it is nice to see a group of employees taking pride in their company. Maybe that is whats wrong with American industry these days. When you work for an airline you always think your product is better than your competors. Good for Delta in believing that.


25 Steeler83 : Oh I completely agree with that. You've made some pretty darned good arguments. I don't like consolidation either. When I think of mergers, I think o
26 Post contains images Wingnut767 : Protection my A$$. In the 10+ years since I left the Military I have had one Airline go BK and lay me off (Transmeridian), a second force pay cuts th
27 William : My,my.........back in November when US started this process many on here wandered why DL and not NWA. Then we were given all kind of excuses of why NW
28 Mah584jr : US would be better served not bidding for anybody. One bid for a merger was pretty entertaining, but if US does it again its just old news. US should
29 Surfdog75 : Good point. Any airline employee that wants his company involved in a merger either works for company that needs saving or is a complete fool.
30 D L X : This is exactly my point. I'm not saying things over in your industry are perfect, but you seem out of touch with the rest of the world's workers. Yo
31 Ikramerica : So every person on a.net can be consolidated into one mega voice? Give me a break. Because you may have thought you read a few people say DL was a be
32 Post contains images UsAirways16bwi : I am very happy this merger did not go through. U know, its not just the Delta fans that didnt want this. As i said in another post some time ago, US
33 Cubastar : From your profile you are a lawyer and are relatively young. A good many people with airlines (particularly pilots) have been in a position with an a
34 D L X : I think you're taking me out of context. I'm certainly not uncompassionate for my fellow man. I'm trying to point out that the average joe (which I m
35 Risingphoenix : And we, as airline workers don't? Do you even know any airline employees? If you did, you would know more have been furloughed or cut because of thei
36 WesternA318 : Never said they were. Just saying if we had to merge with ANYONE, I'd rather it be AA.
37 Flashmeister : You're reading far too much into the creditors' decision, WorldTraveler. The creditors have no duty to -- and my bet would be no concern for -- the e
38 D L X : Risingphoenix, you took my post completely out of context. I'm not putting down airline workers. I was responding to someone who was implying that eve
39 WorldTraveler : actually, no. DL certainly incurred some addiitional costs fighting off US but their BK will still come out much less costly than UA's which is the c
40 Ophila : US Airways may not be done shopping for mergers That's according to the Los Angeles Times (free registration), which writes: "US Airways, meanwhile, i
41 D L X : They also had to raise their proposed value beyond US's offer to stay independent. Their proposed valuation is now quite a bit higher than UA and AA,
42 Okie73 : I bought my house for 250,000. It's current market value is maybe 350,000. I can try to list it for 400,000, and tell people I think its worth 400,00
43 AirframeAS : Probably on purpuse as to why maybe because they didn't want to? Just something to consider.
44 Wingnut767 : I enjoy the company that I work for now (CAL). I have a great attitude at work and when I have to interract with the passengers I have one then also.
45 William : Did I strike a nerve Ik or was truth a little to close to home.
46 Mariner : I think it is more probable that Delta "won" (whatever that means) because Mr. Grinstein called in his many, many markers, accumulated over the years
47 Risingphoenix : My apologies D L X for taking your comments out of context. On another note, a point that I really want to get across is-- yes, I'm sure the employees
48 EvilForce : As I mentioned yesterday I booked two airline tickets for my business travel next week. 2 trips I would usually make on Delta. It felt really good NOT
49 Post contains links William : Before we talk about US looking for another partner, I think Mr. Parker will have his hands full with next round of labor talks. http://biz.yahoo.com/
50 JRDC930 : D L X , I can understand your argument, and to a point yes the airline industry is special from other aspects of the workforce, but so is the nuclear
51 Post contains images SBN580 : We got your message loud and clear yesterday. So, great, go knock yourself out. It's a free country.
52 Post contains images D L X : Not a problem.   It's hard to keep track of who's replying to whom about what on these long threads. Lawyers don't have an incredible amount of job
53 Post contains images EvilForce : You should never take a case on contingency. Bad business practice and mainly why your profession has such a bad name.   If you want job security yo
54 D L X : we should move this over to Non-Av, but there are many GREAT reasons why it's very good for the plaintiff for the lawyer to work on contingency.
55 Risingphoenix : I'm sorry it came down to this for you Evil. I'm sure there has been a comment here or there that has seemed "overbearing" by DL'ers. I hope that one
56 Post contains images N666FU : I doubt that very much, but please do go on... It also feels good to know that there's someone at US and CO that is telling them the same thing and w
57 PHLBOS : The DOJ, in a nutshell, declared the previous UA/US merger proposal DOA. Fast-forward some 6 years: HP/US is a much larger carrier than the old US; p
58 D L X : I can understand pride in your company. What put a bad taste in my mouth was the many DL people saying that that DL was a superior airline in all reg
59 Ca2ohHP : Wow...right from customer service 101. What are you a new hire CSR? With that attitude you'll never turn a profit.
60 Post contains images EvilForce : What put the nail in the coffin for me was how brusque the DL's got when the NW merger possibility was raised and their attitude did a 180 towards NW
61 Ikramerica : That is YOUR fault. You sign on with unions that work entirely on seniority within one company versus job experience or seniority within the union as
62 Post contains images N666FU : I work for USAirways in ATL D'OH! I think I picked up your nasty attitude. I saw some of the lovely things you were saying about Delta on here, so do
63 EvilForce : I for one never said I was boycotting Delta forever. But your attitude illustrates exactly why the industry is in the situation it is in. You think o
64 Risingphoenix : Wow- I don't know how I missed those comments- but apparently I did. Well- all I can say is those comments were nasty and uncalled for. I don't know
65 Bobnwa : There are probably about 25 DL'ers at most on this site out of tens of thousands of DL employees. They no more represent DL than the members of this
66 Post contains images Ca2ohHP : Yeah from your screenname, I can see you're a saint Although DL has those pretty flat panels doing most of a CSR's work anyways , your herding should
67 EvilForce : Not at all. How many people make decisions not to fly an airline based on two or three bad flight attendants? Also, rarely are decisions such as this
68 SESGDL : God, people on here are clueless. That will NEVER happen! Jeremy
69 Ca2ohHP : Yeah one pilot did that...on his own dime. So, sounds like that's the case with US as well.
70 N666FU : I guess they weren't aware what an honor it was to have you grace their airline with your presence! You miss them because they never happened. Well p
71 Post contains images Maverick623 : And that was a completely toungue-in-cheek, playful act. It was really shocking for us US employees (and somewhat humorous) how some DL employees act
72 Risingphoenix : Quite possibly- I was just saying as a collective group- we wouldn't wish anything on another airline we wouldn't want for ourselves- and that's the
73 Ophila : Here is another spin to this:::: PHOENIX - With Delta off its plate, US Airways may go shopping again, given the continuing pressure on the industry t
74 EvilForce : This industry is going to be transformed whether people like it or not. If US comes after NW, then the other consolidation will continue as well. AA/A
75 SESGDL : You honestly don't have a clue as to what's going to happen with the airline industry. US is the only carrier that is intent on merging and they're g
76 Ca2ohHP : Are you kidding me?!?!?!?!?! Since you've had your head buried in sand the last 3 months, go back and read the propaganda your folks have been puttin
77 EvilForce : Wow, touched a nerve have I? Good grief AA/NW has been discussed by many sources INCLUDING NPR and the Mpls Star Tribune, which on Dec. 18th 2006: "M
78 Floridaflyboy : Totally Agreed!! RU time!
79 WorldTraveler : DL's valuation is in fact comparable to how UA valued itself inside of BK while it was developing its Plan of Reorg. And valuation has nothing to do
80 Mariner : And the problem with that is - what? Investors (usually) invest to make money, not as charitable instiitutions. ??? mariner
81 Post contains links DeltaJet757 : About time US backed down. (quote from ATW online) It was clear that DL was for the standalone a very long time ago. http://atwonline.com/news/story.h
82 Ca2ohHP : Spare us all. Delta's employees are gods...all hail Delta employees! The majority of DL employees, you included, did nothing but take cheap shots at
83 EvilForce : Yup! Watching the personal attacks flow freely from the DL's against Mr. Parker, his family, and the folks at US/HP really turned me against DL. I fo
84 Aanyc : Flight attendants get fired all the time, just like everywhere else. Most people who don't stay with a company for 20 years do so by choice to make m
85 JAL : Great news for Delta I suppose! Cool!
86 Post contains links Aanyc : The Delta people did stand up during the reign of Leo Mullin. So it was the rank and file employee who destroyed DL? I think not. Guess what as a rul
87 Cubastar : Actually it is not MY fault. I suspect that as a writer (your profile) you intended for it to be directed in the collective sense and not individuall
88 EvilForce : Maybe Delta should be running it's business efficiently and paying it's creditors before it cries about big, bad Mr. Parker. I suggest you worry more
89 EvilForce : There are lots of way to sate your aviation desire. You can be a corporate jet pilot. Run your own small air service. Work at another job and be a re
90 Aanyc : Yes and you as an advertising executive know so much about the airline industry. Most airlines today are looking for that financial wizz who can turn
91 Post contains links Ca2ohHP : Oh give me a break... "US is undoubtedly pushing to stop consolidation for fear it will be left out of any consolidation (have you heard anyone menti
92 RCS763AV : Congrats to DL. That merger was a recipe for failure. The companies were just not made for each other. US and NW would be another, very interesting st
93 EvilForce : Sorry but the airline industry doesn't pay well enough. No thanks. No you are only reading into them your own hate and bias. When USAirways was on th
94 Post contains images HPRamper : For now, not forever. I think the DOJ would have something to say about that. Regional domination just as much as US/DL...maybe more. At least at NW,
95 Post contains images NW748i : They might not have that luxury. With the big push for consolidation, they really had little choice but to get in on the ground floor or risk being l
96 Evan767 : LMFAO. I am laughing my as* off watching the USAir fans trying to get back at Delta fans because USAir fans didn't get their way. This really is becom
97 Floridaflyboy : True. I think at this point, I think NW people would take just about anything over what they have right now. And, I think quality management of the l
98 Tsaord : I showed up to work today and the DL employees were drunk with victory lol. Taking pictures in front of a canopy and a sign "Keep Delta our Delta" and
99 HPRamper : I think the one thing Parker underestimated was the dedication of the DL employees to their own executives. Certainly rumors had been flying about ho
100 Floridaflyboy : Oh, definitely agreed. I don't think anyone in the US team anticipated that sort of galvanized unity by the DL team. As much as people on this forum
101 Post contains images LawnDart : Well, I was accused by the moderators of "baiting" with my original post and it was deleted, so I'll try and make nice and lovey dovey this time. The
102 Boeing7E7 : US got owned on this issue. DL is going to have a field day with this in coming years.
103 EvilForce : I said price wasn't everything. Obviously it plays a role. The other poster claimed it's always ONLY about price and nothing else. Now could you be a
104 Post contains images B52murph : From a purely emotional perspective, can't say that I blame them... How many NA employees were retained when they were bought out by PA in '80? How m
105 Risingphoenix : You are right- except when they took a lengthy mechanical every 3rd flight or so because they were about 30+ years old. They weren't called Tritanics
106 Panamair : Problem is, all these 'perceptions' about DL's condition are about 12-15 months old. The truth is, DL has made some pretty significant progress in it
107 Dl757md : This is why Delta employees bash your beloved Mr Parker. He testifies in a U.S. Senate hearing that his company will make a $500 million profit for 2
108 HPRamper : The numbers weren't embellished. Here is an excerpt from the official press release: "For the full year 2006, the Company reported a net profit befor
109 Ca2ohHP : Same could be said about Grinny testifying under oath he has not discussed a potential merger with any carrier (um, NW?). What Parker said was not a
110 Ca2ohHP : I think we'll manage.
111 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : Couldn't say it better. Doug Parker's off really was a day late and a few $$$ short!
112 Post contains images LawnDart : A major role. The individual who mentioned customers' focus on price did so based on experience...he, apparently, deals with airline customers and st
113 FlyPNS1 : Actually, I believe he said that US would post a $500 million profit in 2007. Anyways, congratulations to DL and it employees. While I don't believe
114 William : The next interesting move at DL will be the next CEO. Could be Bethune,but I am guessing it maybe Whitehurst. Mr. Parker will be busy trying placate t
115 Post contains images Cubastar :
116 Cubastar : I enjoy Dart's posts. We need more pedanty on this forum.
117 Post contains images EvilForce : Wrong. He was claiming my only criteria was price. I think I'm a better judge of my own airline selection criteria than some random minion on the net
118 Jetlanta : You may be pleasantly surprised with how nice those profits are, particularly if fuel remains near current levels. The bottom line here is that Delta
119 HighFlyer9790 : absolutely. especially those who who wanted DL to remain stand alone. im glad it didnt go through.
120 D L X : Low fuel prices for Delta = low fuel prices for AA, UA, CO, NW, and US also. What is it about DL's yet to be tested business model that you believe w
121 Okie73 : simple. DL/NW don't have the huge overlap you would have to get rid of, and DL/NW would end up with an airline who has a big presense in the pacific.
122 WorldTraveler : How many Western employees were hired and retained by DL in 1987? 100%. Not all airlines find it necessary to screw their acquired employees. Maybe t
123 Delta787 : Jerry's days are limited. I believe he will retire within the next two months so it probably the next big move at Delta. The next CEO will likely be
124 HPRamper : Or, I would think, because they have so much money and have been profitable for so long. Why in the world would anybody NOT want to own Southwest? He
125 Jetlanta : You clearly have no understanding of this industry.
126 DALOCCDtyDrctr : I think we as potential employees of his airline, have a right to be concerned with how he maintains (or in this case hasn't maintained) his current
127 D L X : That's oft-quoted BS. DTW and CVG are 229 miles apart. ATL and CLT are 227 miles apart. ATL and MEM are 320 miles apart. CVG and MEM are 400 miles ap
128 EvilForce : And you would be wrong. The merger is off, this 24/7 fixation with everything Mr. Parker is doing while turning a blind eye to the disaster that is D
129 FlyPNS1 : Except for the fact that WN employees don't have pensions. Do you think DL's management are #$%#@ for terminating the pilot's plan? Do you think DL m
130 Jetlanta : You seem to think all hubs are created equal. CVG is a nice operation, but will never be capable of the things that DTW can achieve. DTW is a far bet
131 D L X : I appreciate your response. But, you have basically agreed with me on my point about the hubs. DL people complained that one of CLT and ATL would hav
132 Post contains links Jetlanta : I actually don't think that anyone is arguing that there won't be jobs lost with a NW merger. I do think, however, that there will be opportunities fo
133 D L X : You're clearly overlooking that Delta would have gained planes (since you say they have a plane shortage) and most importantly, money in creditors' p
134 WorldTraveler : I have repeatedly said that I hate to see any employee in any industry lose their pensions – and that includes DL pilots. However, DL pilots receive
135 Steeler83 : Do you or anyone on here see merger talks between NW and DL resuming circa April or May of this year, providing that DL exits CH11 in April like they
136 EvilForce : It will be interesting to see how the DL employees like joining the union and working for NWA managers. I guess they find that much nicer than US for
137 N666FU : Disaster? Do you know something that all 44,000 Delta employees, management, financiers, and industry experts don't? Please tell us how DL is a disas
138 Post contains images Dl757md :
139 VictorKilo : A DL/NW merger would be more likely to be approved by the government than DL/US. Using the October 2006 Domestic data available at transtats.bts.gov,
140 D L X : I have no idea how you can be so sure. NW's employees will have very little say in a merger with DL, just like DL's employees had very little say in
141 ANCFlyer : Yesterday, I deleted over 40 posts from this thread. Today a dozen more. There are a few members in this thread that can't seem to have an adult conve
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