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DC9 Damaged In YYZ - Write Off?  
User currently offlineRicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 11461 times:

I heard a few days ago a NW DC9 has the nose gear and part of the front of the fuselage damaged when a bag runner hit he aircraft. Apparenntly the driver didnt have his D/A so now the handler is completely liable...anybody know of this in more detail??

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User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 11374 times:

Plenty more where that came from  duck 


One day you are the pigeon, the next the statue ...
User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3130 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 4 weeks ago) and read 11311 times:

If it's one of NW's ancient DC-9's, the book value must be zero....they can just sell it to him for $1 or something and we can then make it the YYZ a.net HQ.... Big grin

User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11099 times:

If you want pictures look at airlinersgallery blogspot
http://bp0.blogger.com/_iKdrOeTCljo/...(03)(Grd)(Accident-1)+YYZ+(TM).jpg
http://bp0.blogger.com/_iKdrOeTCljo/...(03)(Grd)(Accident-2)+YYZ+(TM).jpg
The thing I want to know is why was the driver going toward the side of the plane when the baggage door is on the other side?


User currently offlineDALMD88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2614 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 11024 times:

Totally repairable. Even given it is an old airplane. Two or three lower frames replaced, 4-5 stringer splices and some skin. Most liklely a two-three week job. The real question is what was this guy doing? Why did he even have a bag loader on the left side? Was he at the next gate and says "I'll just go under the plane, It will be quicker than going around it"?

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10941 times:

Quoting DALMD88 (Reply 4):
Totally repairable. Even given it is an old airplane. Two or three lower frames replaced, 4-5 stringer splices and some skin. Most liklely a two-three week job.

But is it really worth the cost to repair? Old DC-9s are a dime a dozen these days and they'd probably get more from parting it out than if they repaired it and put back into revenue service. Since whoever the handling company has their liability insurance will more than likely be the one who makes the determination on whether this a/c gets repaired. Considering that most insurance companies when it comes to auto accidents will total a wrecked vehicle if the costs to repair it are close to the vehicles' value, more than likely, this a/c will be scrapped.


User currently offlineNwarooster From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 1158 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 10932 times:
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The decision will be be with the insurance company. Depends also when the next major check will have to done. Also, is there a hanger that can be used to repair the aircraft and not cost more than the aircraft is worth to rent.


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User currently offlineLucky42 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10743 times:

It's ironic...look at the second pic...it is a swissport belt loader too...I call this poetic justice....

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16370 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10693 times:

This DC-9 is parked on the Fedex ramp now.


Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineRicardoFG From Spain, joined Feb 2005, 677 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10516 times:

the funny thing is that swissport doesnt even handle northwest in yyz

User currently offlineLincoln From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 3887 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10405 times:

Quoting RicardoFG (Thread starter):
Apparenntly the driver didnt have his D/A so now the handler is completely liable...anybody know of this in more detail

For the uninitated -- D/A?

And I'd love to how (a) how he was headed twoard the port side of the aircraftm and (b) how he made it out without injury. Wasn't a US ramper unfourtinately killed in a similar incident last year?

Lincoln



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User currently offlineCruiser From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 1001 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10320 times:

Quoting Lincoln (Reply 10):
For the uninitated -- D/A?

Driving Licence for the Apron.



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User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10012 times:

105 airframes of nines on the wall, 105 frames
write one down, replace it on out,
104 airframes on the wall

 duck 

(yeah, lame attempt at 999 bottles of beer on the wall)

Though I can't tell you how many times I think of that song and NW DC-9s, just goes to show I'm an a.netter at heart.
 Silly


User currently offlinePilotNTrng From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 897 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 9997 times:

Lincoln,


Yes a Piedmont ramper in DCA was killed last year. She mistakenly hit the gas instead of the brake and was crushed between the beltloader and the belly of an E170. Anyone know how the hell the driver of this beltloader didn't meet the same fate?



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User currently offlineBrenintw From Taiwan, joined Jul 2006, 1723 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9859 times:

Quoting PilotNTrng (Reply 13):
Anyone know how the hell the driver of this beltloader didn't meet the same fate?

Guess the driver realized that stopping wasn't an option and bailed ... probably woke up the next morning with a different case of "ramp rash" though.



I'm tired of the A vs. B sniping. Neither make planes that shed wings randomly!
User currently offlineYYZACGUY From Canada, joined May 2004, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9691 times:

Swiss port worker enuff said

Was it driven in was the apron icey there are many things to this. Was it in netural with no ebrake and it rolled who knows...
The reason I am bashing swissport is that this industry on the ramp sould be a profession not pay any one $8/hr to do this kind of work. You make more at Tim Hortons



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User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9692 times:

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 1):
The thing I want to know is why was the driver going toward the side of the plane when the baggage door is on the other side?

does anyone else notice a problem with the jet bridge?... in the second picture you see that the L1 door is closed and significantly higher thatn the bttm of the pax door?



Why do I fly???
User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2415 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9484 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 5):
Since whoever the handling company has their liability insurance will more than likely be the one who makes the determination on whether this a/c gets repaired.

You are assuming they will go through their insurance carrier. They are most assuredly self-insured up to a point. This damage may, or may not, reach that. Depending on check-time, I'll bet they keep it and not declare it.


User currently onlineABQopsHP From United States of America, joined May 2006, 863 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9350 times:

If the next flight or last flight at that gate is/was an ERJ/CRJ, the bag bin door is on the port side. The ramper may have been repositioning the beltloader. As for the jetway question? The jetway on DC9s/MD80s have to sit below the lip of the door by about 2 inches, due to the way the door sits in the open position.
Edit: that other door you see below the jetway is the fwd airstair door.

[Edited 2007-02-02 04:24:26]


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User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1026 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9152 times:

Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 18):
The jetway on DC9s/MD80s have to sit below the lip of the door by about 2 inches, due to the way the door sits in the open position.

easily in the photo I referenced earlier, the doorways is 2-3 inches min above the frame.. who knows!



Why do I fly???
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13200 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8900 times:

It's a old DC-9 - just patch it up, and it will keep flying for a few more years. Still, it is fortunate the driver wasn't hurt. I do hope an investgation will figure out what happened.

User currently offlineReidYYZ From Kyrgyzstan, joined Sep 2005, 536 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8816 times:

Quoting RicardoFG (Reply 9):
the funny thing is that swissport doesn't even handle northwest in yyz

You're right, Swissy was just driving in the vicinity when the brakes failed, going at a high rate of speed (my guess due to the level of penetration of the hand-guard/guilotine) when they bailed. It caved in the belly in about a 3' X 3' swath right at the alternate static port. Once the loader was removed, the damage was far more evident. No, no pictures. Popped rivets and at least five lower frames caved in about 6"-8" and cargo floor penetrated. Repairable, yes, worth it, not likely. I'm surprised it didn't fold in half during the tow. Also interesting to note, in the second photo, behind the wheel directly above the 'swiss' in the swissport sticker (under the two static ports), the black line running up the side of the fuse is a gash where the hand-guard entered and penetrated the cargo floor. Two inches wide and running about 2' of the circumference. Another tid-bit of information. That same gate B15 is where another NW dc-9 got clipped by a mtce van roof rack right at the fwd pressure bulkhead about 5-6 years ago. That a/c lived to fly another day. A temp repair was c/o here then ferried unpressurized to MSP, I guess, for permanent repair.


User currently offlineWarreng24 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8166 times:

Will the belt loader be written off as well?

User currently offlineKearnet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8147 times:

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 19):
Quoting ABQopsHP (Reply 18):
The jetway on DC9s/MD80s have to sit below the lip of the door by about 2 inches, due to the way the door sits in the open position.

easily in the photo I referenced earlier, the doorways is 2-3 inches min above the frame.. who knows!

I know! I know! What you're seeing below the jet way isn't the 1L door itself, but the door for the retractable stairway that all orginal family DC-9's have. Many airlines have removed the stairs, but the door still remains.

Don't forget that when the original DC-9's appeared, jetbridges were not as commona s they are today.


User currently offlineKingAir200 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1630 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8022 times:

Quoting Kearnet (Reply 23):

I know! I know! What you're seeing below the jet way isn't the 1L door itself, but the door for the retractable stairway that all orginal family DC-9's have. Many airlines have removed the stairs, but the door still remains.

That is what that door is. On NW's DC-9s, airplanes that have ventral stairs had their forward airstairs removed to save weight. Airplanes without ventral stairs still have their forward airstairs installed. This really doesn't factor into the belt loader incident but in the case of 9989, the incident airplane, I believe that it would still have forward stairs, due to the fact that the airplane was delivered to Eastern, who, IIRC, didn't have ventral stairs on their DC-9-30s.



Hey Swifty
25 Burnsie28 : Right NW handles their own work there, correct?
26 KingAir200 : This is what I have heard.
27 XFSUgimpLB41X : I believe YYZ was recently outsourced. Never compromise savings... you should see the crap at some of the other stations- CVG and DAY have been comple
28 RicardoFG : I thought Penauille Servisair handled them...but i could be wrng
29 Falstaff : I have flown on that plane. What a shame if she is parted out. She made it 39 years and what a crappy way to go out. When I was a kid I remember watch
30 Burnsie28 : None of the Canadian cities were on the list for being outsourced. I know NW has a lot of their own people in Canada.
31 PanAmOldDC8 : Hey guys, he just wanted to taste the metal, maybe he was hungry and didn't have breakfast. Give the guy a break, maybe there was a beautiful girl he
32 Post contains images Falstaff : She couldn't have been dressed too seductively at YYZ in January. 10 years ago I was working at a shop and our hot female cashier was out picking the
33 TVNWZ : Gee. I was just in DAY on NW. Everyone was great and it looked very effeciently run. No problemo.
34 Post contains links PanAmOldDC8 : Quoting Falstaff (Reply 32): She couldn't have been dressed too seductively at YYZ in January. You never know could have been going south. I have seen
35 Falstaff : I have a video of Ozark Airlines commercials and one from the 80s has people getting off the plane in swim suits and the like going onto the beach. H
36 PanAmOldDC8 : Well we in the frozen North can't wait to get to the sunshine
37 Tribird1011 : Close, it was actually B14... it's still NW doind their own thing at YYZ, = As for the incident... it looks like a brake failure of the beltloader, d
38 Burnsie28 : Regardless NW should go after the company for every penny of damage and then some. Brake failure or not, it was Swissport's problem for not maintainin
39 TrijetsRMissed : If NW is still operating the DC-9 that had it's wings replaced by those from the wreckage of AC797, then fixing this airframe should not be a problem.
40 KingAir200 : They might need to bring back Republic to handle that repair. I believe it was them who put the AC wing on the fuselage of the Ozark DC-9 that hit th
41 Falstaff : Speaking of the frozen north, it is going to be around 5F this weekend here in Detroit. I would be thrilled for 60F. Sunshine, What is that?
42 Nwarooster : Republic bought the aircraft N994Z after it was repaired by a less than stellar repair station. A dual wing replacement was performed. Northwest obta
43 Post contains images Swissy : ................... No, they still have their own ramp crews Agree, all 3rd party handlers @ YYZ pay more or less the same, AC is the exception......
44 ReidYYZ : I heard that Swissport just bought it. Plans are to tow it to the north end, outside the perimeter fence and make a small coffee shop were the connie
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