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Eastern's Chicago To Birmingham, AL Service?  
User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 651 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 2512 times:

Hello Everyone,

I am curious. I thought that Eastern operated a Chicago, IL to Birmingham, AL non-stop that continued to some other city. But the OAG I have from 12/1/85 shows a one-stop thorugh ATL. Did this route ever exist? If so,for how long? Aircraft? Schedule? Meals?

Thanks,

TWA1985

P.S. This is a corrected post after my mistaken reference to Africa. Sorry!

The other post will be delted shortly.

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User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

I am almost positive that the route existed at some point. My Mom worked on the Eastern Reservation system and she remembers her instructor at the school using that route for a mock-reservation. But then who knows, it could have been a fictional route.

TWA1985


User currently offlineOzarkD9S From United States of America, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 5154 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 2395 times:

According to this route map they did:

http://departedflights.com/EA090672.html



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 2385 times:

Yes, in fact it did. I have old photos - real photos - from June 1973 when I flew an EA DC-9 from ORD to BHM. nonstop.

User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 2296 times:

Going way back in time, to 1972, Eastern did operate two daily ORD-BHM flights.
EA285 ORD-BHM 1120-1249
EA225 ORD-BHM 1840-2010

Both flights continued to PNS, terminating at 1402 and 2119.

At the time (1972) Eastern was Big in Chicago, (36 Dailies) for fun, here is the list:

ATL-7X
BHM-2X
CLT-3X
FLL-3X
GSO-2X
IND-1X
JAX-1X
SDF-3X
MIA-4X
BNA-2X
MSY-1X
MCO-2X
SJU-3X
SRQ-1X
TPA-1X

And from Midway....one Daily to IND....that was a one-stop to MIA....Odd.



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User currently offlineB52murph From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 2243 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 4):
SJU-3X

What were they using for equip on the ORD-SJU run? That seems like an awful long push for a 727-200...and this would have been pre-L1011, no?


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2173 times:

Quoting B52murph (Reply 5):
What were they using for equip on the ORD-SJU run? That

DC-8's perhaps.....

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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2170 times:

Quoting B52murph (Reply 5):
What were they using for equip on the ORD-SJU run?

Series 900 flights were the DC-8-60s, and these were 900 series flight numbers. Before the L1011, SJU was almost entirely DC-8s...Big Station for EA there....service to ATL, BWI, BOS, ORD, MIA, EWR, JFK, PHL, and PIT...about 24X Dailies.

The other place to which the DC-8-60 operated from ORD would have been MIA....another high-density route.

Eastern was a launch customer of the -61/-63 in 1967....Before they came on line, EA used a 727-100 on the route, and before that, a DC-7.



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User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2109 times:

Did they still serve BHM from ORD in the mid-80's?

That is about the time my mom was training, January of 1985 to be exact.

Thanks,

TWA1985


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5700 posts, RR: 24
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

Quoting B52murph (Reply 5):
What were they using for equip on the ORD-SJU run? That seems like an awful long push for a 727-200...and this would have been pre-L1011, no?

Didn't the 720's fly to SJU as well?



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User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

Come on, Does anyone know the answer to my question?

User currently offlineBHMBAGLOCK From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2698 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

Quoting TWA1985 (Reply 8):
Did they still serve BHM from ORD in the mid-80's?

I'm pretty sure they did not. I flew up north from BHM regularly during the 80s and did a lot of it on EA; don't recall ever going through ORD. I typically flew United going to Chicago then as it was pre-WN in BHM days.



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6871 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1939 times:

EA dropped ORD-BHM in 1978 or '79 and it didn't reappear in any of the dozen or so 1979-85 schedules I checked. (DL flew it in 1980-81.)

User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 9):
Didn't the 720's fly to SJU as well?

I don't think so.
The 720 didn't last very long with Eastern, being used on mostly short-haul medium density routes...

I failed to mention that Eastern also used the shorter DC-8s into SJU as well, from places like PIT, BOS, and some of the off-peak MIA flights.



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User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2630 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 1806 times:

Quoting TWA1985 (Thread starter):
TWA1985

I am able to find such flights (by jet) as you describe in the '70's. Back in the '60's BHM was almost exclusivley L-188 territory as far as EA was concerned and those made multiple-stops BHM-ORD. If I jump to fall of '90 I'm not seeing non-stops either.

EA operated a fleet of 15 B-720's from August of '61 and sold off the last one in June of '70.
They may have operated them into SJU (as equipt.subs.) but I can't find any scheduled. It does seem to me they were configured for over-water in the beginning---hence the VHF antennae, rafts, etc.----but I can't remember for sure. (Perhaps a "Silver Falcon" old  out there will know!)  smirk 

I looked at the OAG for October '63 and found SJU to be strictly (standard) DC-8 territory----the first B-727 was delivered in Nov. '63 (EA had a wonderful "open-house" here in ATL over at their hanger------that B-727 looked  eyepopping "baaaaad to the bone" parked in between a DC-7B and an L-188---I had a great time!). Although with a max.range of around 1,700

Jump to August of '66 and SJU is still a bastion of (standard) DC-8's.
(Oh, and with onward connections to CB's wonderful old Convairs to STT and STX.)
A few of them offered the fabulous "Famous Restaurant Service"  thumbsup  such as one from ORD-SJU and one from SJU-JFK.
The first of the "Super 61's" not being delivered untill Feb. '67, and the first "Super 63" in Feb. '69.

In the fall of '57 First-Class was flown by DC-7B's with the "Connies" filling in for the all-coach flights.

AND-----just for the thrill of it,---- in June of '59 you could take EA's First-Class only,(pre-LEAP) L-188 Non-Stop IDL-SJU Flight#801 "The Puerto Rican" leaving New York at 10:35am and arriving at SJU 3:25pm. ($189.00 RT)

OR the equally leisurely, DC-7B Flight#835,
"The El Boricua Deluxe Coach" leaving IDL at Noon arriving SJU at 5:20pm. ($135.20 RT)

Both provided, what would be by todays standards, a VERY luxurious luncheon, I'm sure.
 smile 



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User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1765 times:

Ok, Maybe the service in the 80's was short lived, but my Mom is sure the route existed at some point in the 80's.

Last night I found a business card and contacted a person I met at an aviation collectibles show a few years back. He has a huge collection of timetables. Hopefully he can find me an answer.

I will let you all know what he says. He contacted me earlier today and said he should be able to get me an answer tonight or tommorow morning.

TWA1985


User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 1701 times:

Hi,

My friend emailed me and found the answer, but only gave a non-detailed response.

Eastern did fly the ORD-BHM route (at least in the Jan. 1, 1985 timetable he has, which is the only one from that year).

The flight was routed ORD-BHM-MOB and then the revers.

Do any of you have that timetable? If so can you give me all the details i asked for in the original post?

Thanks,

TWA1985


User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6871 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 1642 times:

In 1/85 it was EA 1651, D9S, leaving ORD 1800 XSa, arriving BHM 1733, and EA 1650 leaving BHM 0808 XSu, arrive ORD 0945, each with "meal appropriate to time of day" or whatever it was they said.

It's in the 2/85 and not in the 3/85 (or the 10/84).


User currently offlineTWA1985 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 1585 times:

Thanks,

Finally an answer! I appreciate it TimZ.

TWA1985


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