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Pres. Bush Proposes $2 Billion JFK Rail Link  
User currently offlineFlyingdove From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 86 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8943 times:

From an AP article in the Jerusalem Post, of all places...

"US President George W. Bush will propose giving $2 billion (€1.5 billion) in tax incentives toward building a rail link between lower Manhattan and John F. Kennedy Airport, US Senator Charles Schumer said Thursday..."

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Is this the push that's needed to make this rail line a reality?

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User currently offlineSP90 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 388 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8898 times:

Quoting Flyingdove (Thread starter):
a rail link between lower Manhattan and John F. Kennedy Airport

I thought we already have this, it's called the A train...  Confused

Where on Earth are they going to find a place to put the station in lower Manhattan?


User currently onlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5802 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 8864 times:

Quoting SP90 (Reply 1):
I thought we already have this, it's called the A train...

Where on Earth are they going to find a place to put the station in lower Manhattan?

I'd rather take a taxi through the LIE to JFK than the A Train. It's terrible! Thanks god that there is some movement to bring a one seat ride from JFK into Manhattan. I like the Heathrow Express and I wished we had something like it in NYC!

The station would go in the new transit hub being built at Fulton Street in Lower Manahattan



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User currently offlineFlyingDove From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8833 times:

Quoting SP90 (Reply 1):
I thought we already have this, it's called the A train...



Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
Thanks god that there is some movement to bring a one seat ride from JFK into Manhattan.

I agree, unfortunately, that the A train works well but isn't going to attract anyone who can afford a cab - it's just too slow. The problem with cabs, of course, is traffic. And I don't think the new US Helicopter service (now to JFK and EWR) is going to start carrying thousands of people per day any time soon. Therefore, the rail link could be a great alternative... It works great when I travel to EWR from Penn Station.

It's interesting that there was a time when the Metropolitan Transit Authority ran a JFK super express subway train to and from Midtown Manhattan.


User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8813 times:

It's a nice diversion for the prez to float to avoid real issues but for once I agree with him. I became a B6 fan when I flew them ord-jfk. My sister lives in Brooklyn and a fast link to lower Manhattan would make it easier to get to Brooklyn .

User currently offlineEvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8790 times:

The A train sucks. Sorry.

I would love to see the rail link. I'm a firm believer in rail/air service links. I love flying into Boston, working all day, catching the train to NYC from Back Bay, and arriving in Penn Station.

Make transportation networks work!


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21851 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8772 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
I like the Heathrow Express and I wished we had something like it in NYC!

It's called the Long Island Rail Road. Granted, one has to take AirTrain to get to it, but the involved hassle is about as much as it is to get from the terminals to the Heathrow Express at LHR.

-Mir



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User currently offlineTeamAmerica From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1761 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8759 times:

Quoting ORDagent (Reply 4):
It's a nice diversion for the prez to float to avoid real issues

You couldn't make your point without this off-topic flamebait? boggled 



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User currently offlineDeltAirlines From United States of America, joined May 1999, 8913 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8724 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
It's called the Long Island Rail Road. Granted, one has to take AirTrain to get to it, but the involved hassle is about as much as it is to get from the terminals to the Heathrow Express at LHR.

Still, much difference between LIRR and Heathrow Express. Heathrow Express gets you into London twice as fast (15 minutes; takes about 25 minutes from Jamaica plus about 7 minutes on AirTrain), a change of trains is required (at least Heathrow Express is a one-seat ride; AirTran is change trains at Jamaica), and getting to the AirTrain stations at JFK can be quite a bit of hassle (only one that's done well in my opinion is T4). Only thing LIRR has going for it is that it's a lot cheaper than Heathrow Express.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8725 times:

This comitment has been pushed for by Pataki and Schumer since 2002, the problem is that Pataki is gone now and Spitzer did not include the Lower Manhattan rail link into his transportation plan. The $2 Billion from the Feds is only a small part of the $7 Billion needed to build this tunnel, with the MTA struggling to find funding for more important projects such as the Second Avenue Subway ($14 Billion), LIRR's East Side Access ($6-7 Billion), 7 train extension to the West Side ($3 Billion), Tappan Zee Bridge Replacement ($5 Billion) this project may never be built unless the Feds contributed significantly more than $2 Billion.

Elliot Spitzer is not going to put another bond issue before voters to approve $5 Billion towards a project who would mostly benefit out of State visitors at the detriment of City/Suburban commuters. The high range estimate for the Lower Manhattan rail link is 10,000, that's a fraction of the hundreds of thousands of riders the Second Avenue Subway would see on a daily basis.

The Port Authority recently pledged $2 Billion to NY for NY to put towards one of their transportation projects, it's going towards ESA or SAS not the Lower Manhattan rail link. New Jersey received a similar $2 Billion Dollar pledge which is going towards NJ Transit's new Hudson tunnels.

A much better link for Lower Manhattan is the PATH link to EWR, the PATH line is 1.5 miles from the Newark Airport rail link station. The estimates to extend PATH service on the World Trade Center line to EWR is $550 Million, a bargain compared to other transportation projects in the area.

My point, while significant this announcement is neither unexpected or does it make any connection to JFK and Lower Manhattan any more likely, the problem has never been getting the $2 Billion from the Feds, the problem always has been coming up with the other $5 Billion.



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User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8725 times:

I bet the project could be done alot faster and cheaper if they convinced ABC to bring in theri Extreme Makeover Home Edition crews to build the rail in two weeks ....

ok seriously, that was just a joke...  Smile


User currently offlineEvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8700 times:

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 7):
You couldn't make your point without this off-topic flamebait?  

Well he is an idiot.  Wink

But seriously we do need decent transportation options in this country besides only roads and airports. Tying airports and rail / mass transit hubs together makes for high useage.

Whoever was the dimbat that stopped the light rail 2 miles short of Sea-Tac should be shot.


User currently offlineFlyibaby From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8682 times:

Quoting EvilForce (Reply 11):
Whoever was the dimbat that stopped the light rail 2 miles short of Sea-Tac should be shot.

That surprised me too. Washington state is very liberal, and green at that. Most major employers such as Boeing and Alaska Airlines offer their employees reduced mass transit passes, so you would have thought they would have pushed for the extension too.


User currently offlineTeamAmerica From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1761 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8646 times:

Quoting EvilForce (Reply 11):
But seriously we do need decent transportation options in this country besides only roads and airports. Tying airports and rail / mass transit hubs together makes for high useage.

Whoever was the dimbat that stopped the light rail 2 miles short of Sea-Tac should be shot

We're still waiting for DART to serve DFW after all these years. IIRC the current plan has a link in place by 2014! It boggles the mind to see that connecting the airport is so far down on the list of priorities.



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User currently offlineMrComet From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8645 times:

Having recently taken the Airtran/A Train, it is not very convenient and it was pretty dirty. I think it took me 45 minutes or more to get into Manhattan. But its stupid to spend more money to repeat something that works. Can't they just get a very nice new train and make it an express from the airport to downtown? $2 billion will add a lot of fixes to the existing track. The problem is just the stops along the A Train line -- about 50 of them.


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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4295 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8555 times:

Quoting Flyingdove (Thread starter):
From an AP article in the Jerusalem Post, of all places...

"US President George W. Bush will propose giving $2 billion (€1.5 billion) in tax incentives toward building a rail link between lower Manhattan and John F. Kennedy Airport, US Senator Charles Schumer said Thursday..."

Man, it would be nice. Would $2B be enough to extend the AirTrain all the way to Manhattan? I wouldn't think so, never mind the local opposition that is bound to come out it. They'd have to do something similar to what they did on the Van Wyck - basically build the elevated AirTrain above the highway.

Quoting MrComet (Reply 14):
Having recently taken the Airtran/A Train, it is not very convenient and it was pretty dirty. I think it took me 45 minutes or more to get into Manhattan.



Quoting EvilForce (Reply 5):
The A train sucks. Sorry.

Its better than nothing, but I agree it is hardly convenient or comfortable. $2 is a great bargain, but that's the best thing I can say about it.

The NY Subway system (similar to the London Underground) was not designed for airplane passenger traffic, with luggage. I've gone from Grand Central in midtown Manhattan to JFK several times, often with a rolling suitcase. It sucks. Two subways, a bunch of stairs with no elevator or escalator option, narrow turnstiles, a 5 minute walk between subway stations, etc. Transit time is 45 minutes for sure, possibly longer on weekends or latenights when subway service is reduced.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16907 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 8527 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 15):
Would $2B be enough to extend the AirTrain all the way to Manhattan?

The project's current estimate is $7 Billion.



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User currently offlineIAHFLYER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8349 times:

Quoting Richierich (Reply 15):
Its better than nothing, but I agree it is hardly convenient or comfortable. $2 is a great bargain, but that's the best thing I can say about it

Yes the A-Train sucks, but $7 bucks get you what you paid for. I did this trip recently and the only thing bad was a smelly elevator.

Ultimately, rather than building a new line, an A express that stops at PA Bus terminal, G.C. Station, Fulton Street Transit Hub and Penn station would be perfect with a spanking new train with proper room for suitcases. This idea would be just fine with the AirTrain.



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User currently offlineBosWashSprStar From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8313 times:

The foolish thing is that it makes almost no sense to send the rail link to Lower Manhattan. The overwhelming trend is for businesses to move to Midtown, where both the LIRR and the E train offer decent (not great) connectivity to the AirTrain as is.

One more sensible plan, which often disappears in the frenzy for "reconstructing" a downtown that was emptying out anyway, was to use space in the new extension to Penn Station (if it ever gets built) for an AirTrain station. The train would connect at Jamaica from its current tracks onto the existing LIRR tracks and run direct into Penn. This would require more complicated trains, as the AirTrain uses a different propulsion system than the LIRR does, but is likely still cheaper than building a new downtown station just for the AirTrain.


User currently offlineEvilForce From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8257 times:

I think the big deal is to make sure that the trains are more convenient than taxis which they aren't.

I will use whichever system is most convenient as most business travelers will, and if the cost is a good deal then holiday travelers will too. The less human interaction I have the better. Humans only tend to get in the way when traveling.

I love e-ticketing. Light rail. And the like. Avoiding taxi cab drivers from hell, rent a heap clerks, hotel check in clerks and the like that only make me angrier than I already am after a long day of travel makes life easier for me.  Big grin


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11459 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8207 times:
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Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
It's called the Long Island Rail Road. Granted, one has to take AirTrain to get to it, but the involved hassle is about as much as it is to get from the terminals to the Heathrow Express at LHR.

For sure will be a huge improvement on NYC area.

Quoting Richierich (Reply 15):
The NY Subway system (similar to the London Underground) was not designed for airplane passenger traffic, with luggage. I've gone from Grand Central in midtown Manhattan to JFK several times, often with a rolling suitcase. It sucks. Two subways, a bunch of stairs with no elevator or escalator option, narrow turnstiles, a 5 minute walk between subway stations, etc. Transit time is 45 minutes for sure, possibly longer on weekends or latenights when subway service is reduced.

Agree with you, and the lack of escalator is a huge problem when you get a rolling suitcase, and on peak times, trains are also crowded which means a non comfortable trip. I use Lexington/53rd to JFK some times and need to say that it's not good option, just cheap.

And a taxi from JFK to Manhattan during peak hours is not a good idea...

Felipe



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User currently offlineCOFanNYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 215 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7831 times:

I live on the UWS and the combination of the C train to the LIRR to the AirTrain has taken me just over 40 minutes. That's a pretty good deal for $7.

I'm originally from Boston and the only way to get to that airport was by car. If I tried to take the commuter rail to the subway to another subway from my suburban home, it would have taken over 2 hours. The AirTrain/LIRR combo usually takes less time than a taxi and costs about 1/5.

LGA now there's the airport that is a pain in the ass to get to/from.


User currently offlineChinaClipper40 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 180 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 7831 times:

Quoting FlyingDove (Reply 3):
It's interesting that there was a time when the Metropolitan Transit Authority ran a JFK super express subway train to and from Midtown Manhattan

Yes, that was the "JFK Express" or "The Train to the Plane" service run by the New York City Transit Authority from 1978 to 1990. For most of those 12 years, it originated at Central Park South and 6th Avenue, ran straight south down the center of Manhattan under 6th Avenue (making 7 stops in Manhattan), crossed the East River to Brooklyn (where it made 1 stop at Borough Hall station), and then ran express to the Howard Beach station near JFK (where one endured an awkward change to a bus to get to the terminals at JFK, those being the days before the advent of the JFK AirTrain service connecting the JFK terminals to the Howard Beach station). The metro cars that were used on that service were clean and comfortable, and the service was regular (every 20 minutes, if memory serves me). Yet the service failed for lack of ridership. So, what went wrong? Too many stops in Manhattan? Too expensive (there was an extra charge collected on the train, in addition to the regular subway fare paid upon entering whatever station one used to board the service)? Most importantly, now that the JFK AirTrain is in operation, could this service be reinstated and become successful? Perhaps if there were far fewer stops, and it really emulated the Heathrow Express or Gatwick Express? What if the service started at Rockefeller Center (because of the convergence there of subway lines from upper West Side Manhattan, upper East Side Manhattan, and northern Queens - which could feed passengers to the service), made 1 stop at 42nd Street (to pick up midtown Manhattan passengers), made 1 stop at Broadway-Nassau-Fulton station (to pick up lower Manhattan passengers), and then ran express to Howard Beach station - connecting with the JFK AirTrain? With so few stops in Manhattan, and running express from lower Manhattan all the way to Howard Beach, couldn't the trip be done in 40 or 45 minutes? After all, in metro services world-wide the major factors contributing to slow service are 1) number of stops, and 2) dwell-time within each stop. And the NYC subway trains have been proven to be capable of 70 mph speeds. Would this be a feasible alternative to an all new-build JFK rail link? Which we all know is so low on the priority list of mass transit needs in NYC that it's never going to happen. Or am I being delusional here? Thoughts?

ChinaClipper40


User currently offlineB707Stu From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7617 times:

Don't see the point, the JFK services through LIRR/Jamaica Station and the "A" train JFK stop to Air Tran for both are very good. They've invested millions in those systems when they should have done the direct line back then. Let it go. I used LIRR/Jamaica link in December and it was great.

User currently offlineMrComet From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 561 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7497 times:

Quoting ChinaClipper40 (Reply 22):
Or am I being delusional here? Thoughts?

It makes sense to me. They could have an express train with no stops and then a local train with three stops on the hour. Traffic patterns will dictate the traffic.

The key is ease of use for international traffic. The trains in Vienna and other cities are easy to get to at the airport, have good signage and run quickly. The system set up now is good. It just needs a nicer train with luggage racks and proper elevators/escalators and a lot less stops. The LIRR and A train options will still be available for other people.

I fear, ultimately, that these trains are not money makers. However, you can't underestimate the benefits of skipping cab drivers. They are the first person and international travel will meet in your city and the most likely to cheat you although I must say I've never, ever had a problem in NYC. It's Athens, Istanbul and Rome that drives you crazy.



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25 PanHAM : Instead of extending the Airtrain to Jamaica Station they should have extended the LIRR line to JFK - even as an elevated over the Van Wyck. Make it a
26 Kaddyuk : This service is to be axed in favour of a london-gatwick-brighton express train... Gatwick needs the Express... It keeps tourists off the cramped Sou
27 Jfk777 : Its just sad a train from Grand Central or Penn station to JFK can't be made to work, only if the political will existed. A 2nd ave subway is probably
28 STT757 : The existing Airtrain cannot and will not be able to operate side by side with the LIRR or NYC Subway, the FRA will not grant an exemption to it's cra
29 LTBEWR : Another waste of money and probably where a number of politicans get big donations to be influenced. Yes, I did take the JFK Express (a/k/a 'The Train
30 TedEx : The taxi union in SLC put the breaks on connecting the airport to the UTA's Trax system. There's a bus but it's only ever 30 min. during the day and l
31 GeorgiaAME : Why is the FEDERAL government shelling out my good Federal Income Tax money for this pork barrel project? Bush and the former Republican administratio
32 D950 : The first common sense approach, on both accounts. Anyone who thinks Manhattan folks are going to use public transportation and schlep their own bags
33 Richierich : I'd be happy with a dedicated train on the LIRR to meet the AirTrain at Jamaica Station. This would have to be a regular train, every 15-20 minutes o
34 EvilForce : You really have no clue how transportation dollars are funded and spent in this country. This project will cost almost $ 7 billion. OF WHICH, the Fed
35 Super80 : The express railway to and from JFK and lower Manhattan is a great idea. If they can build it like the Airport Express HKG has will be a plus. Check-i
36 Cloudy : I was under the impression that in 1990 the New York subway system had a reputation as a crime-ridden hellhole. Not very many people who fly regularl
37 ChinaClipper40 : Wow. What a polemical diatribe! I'm guessing that you weren't born in the United States, right? If you were, you must have slept straight through all
38 COFanNYC : There are approximately 185 trains per day between Penn Station and Jamaica. A majority of them only stop at Woodside before heading to Jamaica. And
39 STT757 : The problem is that the plan would link JFK with Lower Manhattan, the majority of visitors both leisure and business are heading to Mid-town. You wou
40 Richierich : It wasn't that bad back then, and it is not that good today. Not bad. Now we only need a reasonable link between GCT and Penn Station!
41 ETFokker50 : I think the only rail infrastructure project here in the Netherlands that ever let the railway company make a profit off of it was the so called 'Schi
42 Csavel : Bingo absolutely, and I might add, if new security requirements can do it having check-in in Jamaica, and have some "sterile" Airtrains that go non-s
43 SJCRRPAX : The last time I got on the A train two guys in Army Uniforms with M-16's boarded with me. I'd never seen that in America before, I thought maybe I was
44 BostonGuy : Post 9/11 Federal funds aren't going to mid-town Manhattan due to politicians trying to shore up lower Manhattan's viability to businesses. Lower Man
45 Richierich : I agree with this completely. Build it and they will come, provided that the service is otherwise convenient. There is a Boston on the east coast of
46 COFanNYC : No, the same Boston that does have those transportation options. But I live on the UWS (approx. 20 miles from JFK) and it's no problem taking public
47 Ncelhr : Anything can be cheaper than the Heathrow Express. It is possibly the most expensive train ride per mile in the world. Close to $20 for 15 minutes...
48 Richierich : Its actually 14.50GBP at the moment - with today's current exchange rates, that's actually more than US$28! I don't know the actual mileage (11? 13?)
49 Max999 : With Robert Moses, he would have built highways to connect to JFK. He cared not for public transit, especially anything rail-based. His legacy is why
50 BostonGuy : Gotcha. When you said, "I'm originally from Boston and the only way to get to that airport was by car." it seemed you were saying the airport wasn't
51 UN_B732 : Why not a rail link to LaGuardia? Right now it has the worst public transportation of the 3 New York airports (IMHO), even though it's the closest to
52 Post contains links STT757 : The MTA during the end of the Giulianni administration allocated $645 Million to extend the N Train to LGA, after Giulianni left office the money was
53 Atmx2000 : Uh, wasn't crime, graffiti, decay, etc the general state of New York City until the 90s and 00s?[Edited 2007-02-03 21:59:22]
54 Post contains images Mir : If you're going anywhere in Manhattan, the E is the way to go. -Mir
55 EvilForce : No. The 80's were awful in NYC. Graffiti everywhere. Trash piled up everywhere, since no one knew when the garbage men would actually come. NYC was t
56 Flyibaby : I specifically remember taking the Airtran from JFK to Howard Beach and then the express train to Grand Central Station. All in all, I think it took
57 Atmx2000 : No? I think you are agreeing with me, though my original statement was not typed correctly.
58 Csavel : if only! The A train does not go to Grand Central, it goes up the West Side of Manhattan, to Penn Station, then up to Washington Heights, my home, I
59 Richierich : No, they nail you for $5 at both the Howard Beach and Jamaica Station entrances to the Airtrain at JFK. I have found the E/F train from midtown Manha
60 Schipholjfk : LIRR and Heathrow Express is NOT the same. Sorry. It's just not!
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