FlyDreamliner From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2759 posts, RR: 15 Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1743 times:
Great for skyteam to add s very solid latin/south american presence!
Maybe we can see MSP-PTY starting up! (One can dream)
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JEdward From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0 Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1728 times:
Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 2): Maybe we can see MSP-PTY starting up! (One can dream)
*Paging ExpressJet*
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DeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 620 posts, RR: 1 Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1718 times:
Excellent News! Does this mean they will become a full fledged member? It seems so as I read it, but then again my spanish is not the best.
Summa767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2387 posts, RR: 7 Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1699 times:
Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 4): Does this mean they will become a full fledged member?
No, just associate member.
Still, nit unlikely then, that AF or KL will start flights to PTY. That would really be an useful link for people going from anywhere in Europe and the Middle East to Central America.
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7170 posts, RR: 45 Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1695 times:
They are still on track to join as Associate Member. Same with Air Europa and Kenya Airways. There is a thread in here containing a link to the press release. It is funny to note that there is nothing about Tarom. Seems they won't be joining at all.
DeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 620 posts, RR: 1 Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1653 times:
Quoting Summa767 (Reply 5): Still, nit unlikely then, that AF or KL will start flights to PTY. That would really be an useful link for people going from anywhere in Europe and the Middle East to Central America.
Right now, AF,KL, LH, BA and the like can't compete with DL's pricing from Europe to Central America. They are kicking everyones *sses on those routes.
Summa767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2387 posts, RR: 7 Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1647 times:
Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 7): Right now, AF,KL, LH, BA and the like can't compete with DL's pricing from Europe to Central America. They are kicking everyones *sses on those routes.
Competition is good. Not everybody will go for the price though, plus there are many others who will avoid flying through the US, eithr because a transit visa is required, or they simply don't like the security hassles.
IAHFLYER From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1580 times:
JEdward From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1545 times:
Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 9): Is COPA owned by CO or something like an ownership siutation with CO, I am only wondering because their tails are so similar! and Congrats to them!!
CO bought a 49% investment in Copa 1998 and started their marketing/codesharing agreement with them (hence the logo similarities, President's Club in PTY, OnePass, etc.). A few years ago (late 2005?) Copa made an IPO on the NYSE and afterwards CO started liquidating their investment with them to shore up their own cash position.
Today CO and CM are still involved in their marketing agreement and I have not heard (and please, take that with a grain of salt) any talk of reducing this.
FYI… for all you NW/CO elites, CM is rumored to be an easy EUA. Sure they might only fly 737’s and EMB’s…but first class on a 737 to EZE beats being stuck in coach on a widebody any day!
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Luisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1547 times:
Quoting IAHFLYER (Reply 9):
Is COPA owned by CO or something like an ownership siutation with CO, I am only wondering because their tails are so similiar! and Congrats to them!!
Back in the late 1990s CO bought a Controlling 49% stake in CM, in 2005 when CM went public CO sold about 28% of the airline in the market, they have contiuned to sell to cover their pension fund. CM is today 49% owned by Motta International of Panama, 12% by CO and the rest is publicaly traded.
All in all buying CM turned out to be a great investment by CO.
ZschocheImages From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 138 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1500 times:
Good for them. It doesn't surprise me at all due to their close realtionship with all of the SkyTeam airlines already. Being a NW/CO guy myself this is really good news!
RobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 890 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 1367 times:
OK, my Spanish isn't that great, but doesn't the article simply say that COPA will become a member of SkyTeam? What is new here? Is there a date that this takes place? Otherwise, it is the same announcement made back in June 2005.
Luisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 1309 times:
Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 13): OK, my Spanish isn't that great, but doesn't the article simply say that COPA will become a member of SkyTeam? What is new here? Is there a date that this takes place? Otherwise, it is the same announcement made back in June 2005.
The papers were signed today, so it is now officially being processed. That is the news, it is different because the announcement in June was about their intent to join, after a lot of running around they are finally joining today.
RobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 890 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1234 times:
A300AA From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 388 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 1232 times:
Very good for Copa, but do this mean that Aerorepublica, that its owned by Copa will be part of the alliance as an associate? This will be excellent news also for Colombian passengers .
I told you that CM will be part of an alliance first than AV.
ZschocheImages From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 138 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1193 times:
Here's something interesting that I just thought about... RG was just "kicked out" of Star. Three days later CM starts the paperwork to join SkyTeam. So now SkyTeam is one up on Star in the Latin American department.
Summa767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2387 posts, RR: 7 Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 1068 times:
Quoting ZschocheImages (Reply 19): Here's something interesting that I just thought about... RG was just "kicked out" of Star. Three days later CM starts the paperwork to join SkyTeam. So now SkyTeam is one up on Star in the Latin American department
Well, Star is virtually absent from Latin America. The word is that it is in talks with both Aerolineas Argentinas and Avianca about them joining. Between the two they would provide a fair coverage of South America, and importantly, with the expected new links to Europe by AV (FRA in particular) the network across the south atlantic would be significantly improved.
RobertS975 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 890 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 912 times:
Although new options for SkyTeam travel are always welcome, there are really not a lot of new destinations that will be added by COPA that are not already available via DL, CO, AM and AV codeshares.
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