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Cabin Pictures Of QF Boeing 707-138 From 1960  
User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4598 posts, RR: 24
Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22836 times:

So, you think flying today is bad? Remember the good old days fondly? Wish we could go back?

http://www.707.adastron.com/qantas/707-138-cabin.htm

Some rare colour photos of the F and Y cabin of the Qantas Boeing 707-138 from 1960 have just gone online.

I think everything is worse, except for the 40" pitch for Y and lounges for F.

What I like is how both emergency exits are in the F cabin because it goes back so far in the aeroplane. Check out the thing with the lights - back then, constellations, now mood LED lighting.

It's pretty cool to see though! Anyone else have some old interior pics to share?


I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
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User currently offlineKC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12058 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22709 times:

Great pictures. I do remember flying for the first time in a B-707, in the 1960s. They were comfortable, and the Stewardest service was a lot better than today. No, IFE, though, unless you carried a magazine.

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12321 posts, RR: 35
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22662 times:

Thanks for sharing those pictures; ah, those wonderful first days of the jet age. Oh for a time warp!

User currently offlineHB88 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 814 posts, RR: 31
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 22600 times:

I remember flying in QF 707s when I was young.

The 'moving map display' was a piece of pre-printed paper with the map printed on it and the route/present position marked in pencil! It was handed from seat to seat. I think I still have one lying around somewhere...

I also remember silver service, real food, no entertainment whatsoever, and people wearing their Sunday best to fly.

I'm tempted to say those were the days, but...


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 22509 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Thread starter):
I think everything is worse, except for the 40" pitch for Y and lounges for F.

Boeing 707s were never configured at 40" pitch in Economy by any airline. The 40" pitch the article refers to is for First Class. Back in the day, Economy was configured at 34-35". Charter carriers gave you 32", and people complained about that pitch back then.

I remember flying the 707s as a child, and still remember the overhead lighting domes in the cabins at night.


User currently offlineImperialEagle From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2052 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 22484 times:
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Very nice to see those old photos.
I remember all the early jets as having large F sections.
It did not take too long, however, before the interiors got changed around and the lounges deleted.



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User currently offlineCOEWR787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 334 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 22454 times:

Quoting Jaysit (Reply 4):
I remember flying the 707s as a child, and still remember the overhead lighting domes in the cabins at night.

Yes. I remember those lighting domes in the Air India 707s back in 1965. It was a really nice touch specially at night with other lights turned off. I have very fond memories of my first flight on an Air India 707 in the summer of 1965 from Delhi to London via Moscow. The interior looked surprisingly similar to the pictures of the QANTAS 707s.


User currently offlineTeamAmerica From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1761 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 22391 times:

Thanks for the link. I remember those open overheads...no bins! smile 


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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4598 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21889 times:

Quoting COEWR787 (Reply 6):
The interior looked surprisingly similar to the pictures of the QANTAS 707s.

I suppose back then the interiors were all standardised seat wise and then the airline just chose colours and trim etc? I don't know...



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21856 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 8):
I suppose back then the interiors were all standardised seat wise and then the airline just chose colours and trim etc? I don't know...

To some degree yes. But I remember that TWA introduced some snazzy seats with plastic backs (much like what VS have in their Y cabins today), and many other airlines followed.

TWA was also the first to show films onboard. When I was a kid, my Dad worked for a big oil company and we - luckily - flew First Class whenever we travelled. I have photographs buried somewhere of us in a TWA 707 watching a Steve McQueen film. I also have this Air India brochure from 1969 showcasing the airline's 707s that I dug up from my Dad's library. Will scan it and post it in this thread.


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7924 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21834 times:

Quoting TeamAmerica (Reply 7):
I remember those open overheads...no bins!

Yeah, I remember them too...from September 06 flying on this baby (or one of her sisters)!

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User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 21710 times:

The 747 is the Queen of the Skies. The 707 remains the Once and Future King.


"Trust, but verify!" An old Russian proverb, quoted often by a modern American hero
User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 21710 times:

The 747 is the Queen of the Skies. The 707 remains the Once and Future King.


"Trust, but verify!" An old Russian proverb, quoted often by a modern American hero
User currently offlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 968 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 21669 times:

Nice website - the 707 brochure that Qantas had was an interesting read.

I spoke to a flight attendant once who had worked for Northeast. Northeast was one of the first carriers to introduce a (leased) Boeing 707 into domestic U.S. service. (I can't find any record of Northeast operating the 707, but if she said so...anyone know for sure? Apparently it was leased from Pan Am or TW for a short period.).

At any rate, the senior flight attendants were apprehensive about flying the new, jet-powered 707, and refused to bid those trips...one reason was the "g-forces" on take-off, the speed and the high-altitude flight into atmosphere bombarded by solar radiation aged your skin. So, the junior flight attendants, of which she was one, were assigned on to the 707.

On one of the first 707 flights Northeast flew, she recalled how impressive the cabin was, and how excited passengers were as they boarded (from JFK to MIA). She was seated on the forward jumpseat, next to the boarding door. As the engines were started, she and the other flight attendant looked at each other in amazement...they had never heard that noise before!

Well, on take-off, prior to the doors sealing with pressurization, the noise turned into this "loud screaming". They could also feel the slight g-force of take-off, and remembering the fears of the senior flight attendants, they bent over with their heads between their knees so the skin on their faces wouldn't get pulled down to their chins.

Anyway, I thought it was funny, as we take jet travel so routinely nowadays that we tend to forget, at one point, it was a novelty.


User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2376 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 21633 times:

Other ones from Saha:

http://www.geocities.com/capecanaveral/hall/6690/1-IRANEP-SHE707viewofseats.jpg




A small, but in color, pic of the Qantas interior:



And, two from the 707 restaurant in Tehran:






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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7924 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 21609 times:

Quoting LawnDart (Reply 13):
Anyway, I thought it was funny, as we take jet travel so routinely nowadays that we tend to forget, at one point, it was a novelty.

I don't think it was so much a novelty, I think the word is "terrifying". There's an excellent book by Jay Koren, a career flight attendent about Pan Am who worked PA's first 707 flight to Paris in 1958, none of the cabin crew had done a fam trip in the bird so it was their first jet flight. He described the noise, acceleration and the length of the takeoff roll as being extremely unnerving.
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My favourite anecdote is a letter passed to the captain of a US-bound 747 by a LOL (Little Old Lady), in the letter she says what a wonderful flight it's been despite the rich widow next to her who spent the entire flight talking about how much money her husband left her, then asks to borrow the letter writer's $4 headphones. "I told her to go fuck herself." Girl power!



fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineWorldTraveler From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 21592 times:

I flew on one of TW's last 707 TATL flights and it had an ambiance that suggested a much earlier day in aviation but it still was more modern that these QF pics.

SR's 747s (300s) I believe had overhead bins that had netting on the top but were not fully enclosed.


User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3423 posts, RR: 67
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 21556 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Thread starter):
Check out the thing with the lights - back then, constellations, now mood LED lighting.

Nowadays, in addition to the mood lighting, you can order a "night sky" overhead option with the stars simulated by individual fiber optic elements. It only simulates either the Northern or Southern hemisphere sky though and you have to pick the season as well.



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User currently offlineSparkingWave From South Korea, joined Jun 2005, 668 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 20782 times:

Seeing these images, it's easy to see what a long way we've come since the early 1960s. I know this is hindsight, but those interior shots look quite plain; only a little bit fancier than a Greyhound bus...

Thank god for widebody jets, IFE, Airshow, and lie-flat beds with noise-canceling headphones, and inflight cuisine fit for royalty!

SparkingWave ~~~



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4598 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 20092 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 15):
I don't think it was so much a novelty, I think the word is "terrifying". There's an excellent book by Jay Koren, a career flight attendent about Pan Am who worked PA's first 707 flight to Paris in 1958, none of the cabin crew had done a fam trip in the bird so it was their first jet flight. He described the noise, acceleration and the length of the takeoff roll as being extremely unnerving.

Absolutely brilliant book! I bought a bunch of Pan Am books from The Flying Clippers web site - all of them excellent reads.

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 14):
A small, but in color, pic of the Qantas interior:

Is it a 338C then? Where did you find that? Just curious...



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2376 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 19902 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 19):
Is it a 338C then? Where did you find that? Just curious...

Just googling "707 cabin/interiors/inside/" etc. You caught my interest with this thread..  Wink



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User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5398 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 19762 times:

http://www.707.adastron.com/gallery/vh-eba-21.jpg

A classic from back in the day. Kudos to the webmasters! I wish there was a detailed early DC-8 site with cabin pics (classic 8's with the curtains and Palomar seats please!) bouncy 



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User currently offlineFlyboyseven From Canada, joined Feb 2007, 903 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 19691 times:

Look at all the pillows


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User currently offlineWestJetYQQ From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2987 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 19680 times:

Quoting Flyboyseven (Reply 22):
Look at all the pillows

Well Said, Graham  Wink

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Carson



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User currently offline707lvr From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 570 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 19641 times:

Quoting Flyboyseven (Reply 22):
Look at all the pillows

Ah, you just beat me to it  Smile Yeah yeah, aren't we all fancy today, but we can't seem to manage anything as basic as a nice decent clean fat pillow for free anymore.


25 Post contains links AeroWesty : I recall someone posting once that Trans-Canada had 40" pitch in both coach and first on their DC-8s (to line up the seats with the windows), and the
26 Post contains images Zippyjet : Wow! TV on the plane back in 1960? Back then they didn't have satellite feeds, wasn't everything kinescope and old time reel to reel? So, if the Gold
27 AeroWesty : I don't know how they did it on 707s, but DC-10s were live TV capable. I flew LAX-BOS on Super Bowl Sunday once and they just kept picking up a new s
28 Baron52ta : On the photo of the restaurant 707 it reminds me of travel on RAF Britannias which had the back to back seat layouts as a child it had me confused as
29 CF-CPI : Wouldn't that be nice. I have heard stories from the early DC-8 days with AC and CP and my father had experience on them. The Palomar seats had the r
30 Post contains images Cedarjet : Oh god I love old jets SO MUCH!!
31 ClassicLover : LOL! For some reason the mental image I have is of a flourescent light (as in ones on the roof) hanging over the side of the seat as your "personal r
32 AY104 : Gotta love the old jets! Unfortunately, I never got to ride on the Qantas 707. In 1966, I was 16 at the time, they still operated it into Vancouver, v
33 TymnBalewne : In the AS 707 pic in reply 30 (above), there seems to be something between each of the passenger service units. Can anyone tell me what they are?? Tha
34 Ikramerica : Yep, there's already a VHF antenna on the plane, just has to be used to pick up VHF TV channels as well. AA would routinely show football on Sundays
35 CF-CPI : At the moment I can't locate a pic, but of course that reading light was in a little rectangular box at the same height as the headrest. And yes, it
36 Post contains links and images Zippyjet : Here I come to save the day. Not the greatest closeups but, still those old pictures and memories. I remember flying on 2 8's with the "Palomar Seats
37 CF-CPI : Thanks ZippyJet. I think the UA pic shows non-Palomar seats with the audio in the headrest (from the days when UA countered TWA's Flower Power Twin Se
38 Skyguy : Those were the days! Service back then on board was way ahead of what it is today, seems like things have regressed backwards in that regards. Does an
39 Post contains links and images Zippyjet : Your welcome! Now, I'm an old enough fossil that I remember in beautiful rabbit eared black and white in the early to mid 60's UA had a corny add cam
40 Philb : Northeast was the 5th US carrier to operate the B707 domestically: 10 Dec 1958 National (aircraft lsd from Pan American) 25 Jan 1959 American 20 Mar
41 AnnInFL : I love these pictures, takes me back to my stewardess days on the 707!
42 RootsAir : that means that every now and then F/A's would come with these pieces of paper and handing them to passengers to show where the a/c was flying over ?
43 BOAC707 : Thank you and pass the tissue....I started my flying adventure on BOAC 707's inthe late 60's between YUL and Manchester....great memories....but don't
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