KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12336 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 28468 times:
Great pictures. I do remember flying for the first time in a B-707, in the 1960s. They were comfortable, and the Stewardest service was a lot better than today. No, IFE, though, unless you carried a magazine.
HB88 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 831 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 28359 times:
I remember flying in QF 707s when I was young.
The 'moving map display' was a piece of pre-printed paper with the map printed on it and the route/present position marked in pencil! It was handed from seat to seat. I think I still have one lying around somewhere...
I also remember silver service, real food, no entertainment whatsoever, and people wearing their Sunday best to fly.
Boeing 707s were never configured at 40" pitch in Economy by any airline. The 40" pitch the article refers to is for First Class. Back in the day, Economy was configured at 34-35". Charter carriers gave you 32", and people complained about that pitch back then.
I remember flying the 707s as a child, and still remember the overhead lighting domes in the cabins at night.
COEWR787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 28213 times:
Quoting Jaysit (Reply 4): I remember flying the 707s as a child, and still remember the overhead lighting domes in the cabins at night.
Yes. I remember those lighting domes in the Air India 707s back in 1965. It was a really nice touch specially at night with other lights turned off. I have very fond memories of my first flight on an Air India 707 in the summer of 1965 from Delhi to London via Moscow. The interior looked surprisingly similar to the pictures of the QANTAS 707s.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 27615 times:
Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 8): I suppose back then the interiors were all standardised seat wise and then the airline just chose colours and trim etc? I don't know...
To some degree yes. But I remember that TWA introduced some snazzy seats with plastic backs (much like what VS have in their Y cabins today), and many other airlines followed.
TWA was also the first to show films onboard. When I was a kid, my Dad worked for a big oil company and we - luckily - flew First Class whenever we travelled. I have photographs buried somewhere of us in a TWA 707 watching a Steve McQueen film. I also have this Air India brochure from 1969 showcasing the airline's 707s that I dug up from my Dad's library. Will scan it and post it in this thread.
LawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1021 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 27428 times:
Nice website - the 707 brochure that Qantas had was an interesting read.
I spoke to a flight attendant once who had worked for Northeast. Northeast was one of the first carriers to introduce a (leased) Boeing 707 into domestic U.S. service. (I can't find any record of Northeast operating the 707, but if she said so...anyone know for sure? Apparently it was leased from Pan Am or TW for a short period.).
At any rate, the senior flight attendants were apprehensive about flying the new, jet-powered 707, and refused to bid those trips...one reason was the "g-forces" on take-off, the speed and the high-altitude flight into atmosphere bombarded by solar radiation aged your skin. So, the junior flight attendants, of which she was one, were assigned on to the 707.
On one of the first 707 flights Northeast flew, she recalled how impressive the cabin was, and how excited passengers were as they boarded (from JFK to MIA). She was seated on the forward jumpseat, next to the boarding door. As the engines were started, she and the other flight attendant looked at each other in amazement...they had never heard that noise before!
Well, on take-off, prior to the doors sealing with pressurization, the noise turned into this "loud screaming". They could also feel the slight g-force of take-off, and remembering the fears of the senior flight attendants, they bent over with their heads between their knees so the skin on their faces wouldn't get pulled down to their chins.
Anyway, I thought it was funny, as we take jet travel so routinely nowadays that we tend to forget, at one point, it was a novelty.
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8561 posts, RR: 53
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 27368 times:
Quoting LawnDart (Reply 13): Anyway, I thought it was funny, as we take jet travel so routinely nowadays that we tend to forget, at one point, it was a novelty.
I don't think it was so much a novelty, I think the word is "terrifying". There's an excellent book by Jay Koren, a career flight attendent about Pan Am who worked PA's first 707 flight to Paris in 1958, none of the cabin crew had done a fam trip in the bird so it was their first jet flight. He described the noise, acceleration and the length of the takeoff roll as being extremely unnerving. http://www.amazon.com/Company-We-Kep...03-0275383-3779026?ie=UTF8&s=books
My favourite anecdote is a letter passed to the captain of a US-bound 747 by a LOL (Little Old Lady), in the letter she says what a wonderful flight it's been despite the rich widow next to her who spent the entire flight talking about how much money her husband left her, then asks to borrow the letter writer's $4 headphones. "I told her to go fuck herself." Girl power!
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
Nowadays, in addition to the mood lighting, you can order a "night sky" overhead option with the stars simulated by individual fiber optic elements. It only simulates either the Northern or Southern hemisphere sky though and you have to pick the season as well.
Airplane design is easy, the difficulty is getting them to fly - Barnes Wallis
SparkingWave From South Korea, joined Jun 2005, 684 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 26541 times:
Seeing these images, it's easy to see what a long way we've come since the early 1960s. I know this is hindsight, but those interior shots look quite plain; only a little bit fancier than a Greyhound bus...
Thank god for widebody jets, IFE, Airshow, and lie-flat beds with noise-canceling headphones, and inflight cuisine fit for royalty!
Flights to the moon and all major space stations. At Pan Am, the sky is no longer the limit!
ClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4893 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 25851 times:
Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 15): I don't think it was so much a novelty, I think the word is "terrifying". There's an excellent book by Jay Koren, a career flight attendent about Pan Am who worked PA's first 707 flight to Paris in 1958, none of the cabin crew had done a fam trip in the bird so it was their first jet flight. He described the noise, acceleration and the length of the takeoff roll as being extremely unnerving.
Absolutely brilliant book! I bought a bunch of Pan Am books from The Flying Clippers web site - all of them excellent reads.