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DBA To End Service In April 2007  
User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7966 posts, RR: 12
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3608 times:

Now a subsidiary of Air Berlin, dba has only 11 aircraft left. Until April 2007, they will be replaced by Air Berlin, thus ending the existence of an airline that never fully managed to gain ground and make profit in Germany.

Air Berlin's CEO Joachim Hunold threatened dba pilots to end dba's service immediately should they actually go on strike, Berlin's daily "Tagesspiegel" reports.
http://www.tagesspiegel.de/berlin/na...berlin-dba-pilotenstreik/90749.asp

Does anyone know why dba pilots would go on strike if their contracts are about to end in April anyway? Will Air Berlin continue to employ them?
If yes, then Hunold's threat to close dba is pretty lame. If not: three months more or less .... what's all this good for?


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User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3527 times:

dba does not end service, re-read your source carfully: "Die Marke dba werde ohnehin zum 1. April vom Markt verschwinden", and dba will continue to fly on AB flight numbers, with dba aircraft in AB colours and dba crews in AB uniforms. In a way just like Eurowings after they were bought by Lufthansa.

User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2074 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 3425 times:

Too bad... I flew dba in November 2005 (FRA-TXL and back) and found it to be an excellent airline. I like the green colors so much more than Air Berlin's dull maroon and white, too. Still, it's nice to AB and dba combining into more of a competitor for Lufthansa.

What happened to the dba/LTU partnership? I have a timetable from last summer that contains joint dba/LTU schedules.


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3320 times:

Quoting Ndebele (Reply 1):
dba does not end service, re-read your source carfully: "Die Marke dba werde ohnehin zum 1. April vom Markt verschwinden",

The brand disappears, not the service.
That's exactly what I said, isn't it?



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User currently offlineCjbmibe From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3299 times:

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 2):
I like the green colors so much more than Air Berlin's dull maroon and white

Tell that to anyone in BHD, the AB ticket desk is all red, with white AB titles and a picture of an AB aircraft... hold that in contrast to its neighbours of BD, BA and BE, all wood, frosted glass and white bits with small titles in the wood and the glass.
I swear it looks like a bloodbath.

On another AB relation, apparently all their bags destined for Europe via STN from BHD appear to be "Short Connection". I have no idea why but each and every bag for AB Tfr at Stansted has a Short Connection maroon tag on it - I haven't got around to asking the girls about this, maybe someone here could help?

On topic though, I'd loved to have flown for DBA, but what I understand from it all is that DBA hasnt actually been a German based BA subsiduary and the service didnt resembed UK BA either?



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User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 22
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3173 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 3):
The brand disappears, not the service.
That's exactly what I said, isn't it?

Well, this topic is titled "DBA To End Service in April 2007"...


User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 3159 times:

Ahem, yes DBA itself will end service in April. It will be a defunct airline then, and defunct airlines have the funny quirk to end all services.

That Air Berlin will continue to serve the routes formerly flown by dba is another issue, or do you want to split and quarter hairs over that?



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User currently offlineNdebele From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3117 times:

Quoting NoUFO (Reply 6):
That Air Berlin will continue to serve the routes formerly flown by dba is another issue

Well as far as I understand, these routes will be served by dba, just under the AB brand, but with dba aircraft and crew. The company dba will continue to exist. At least for the next few years - unless Hunold decides to close the company, as mentioned in your article.


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

Quoting Cjbmibe (Reply 4):
t all is that DBA hasnt actually been a German based BA subsiduary and the service didnt resembed UK BA either?

It was a German BA subsidiary once and was called Deutsche BA. British Airways sold it a few years ago because they were not able to make profit out of this airline. A German business man bought it and turned Deutsche BA into DBA (they had to change livery and everything that is reminder to BA).



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User currently offlineNoUFO From Germany, joined Apr 2001, 7966 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3074 times:

Quoting Ndebele (Reply 7):
Well as far as I understand, these routes will be served by dba, just under the AB brand, but with dba aircraft and crew.

Well, if that's so, then I got the article wrong.
In my book, when a brand "disappears", to quote the article, then logo, colours, uniforms, letterheads et al will no longer be used.
Otherwise, a brand will continue to exist, and be it as a mere subsidiary of another company, but that's the state dba is already in.



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User currently offlineJamake1 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1023 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3067 times:

In other words, DBA's operations are being merged into Air Berlin's in April. Correct?


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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4696 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3046 times:

You got that about right: DBA will continue to exist as a legal entity (a subsidiary of Air Berlin), but all operations will be managed by and conducted for Air Berlin. Just like the cabin crews are legally not employed by Air Berlin, but by CHS (Cabin Handling Service), but exclusively work on AB flights in AB uniform.

Ndebele got that right - and the thread title is actually quite wrong.



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User currently offlineMD11Engineer From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 14139 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 3041 times:

I think the biggest quirk for Hunold is that DBA crews are unionised, while he managed over years with threats to keep the unions out of Air Berilin.

Jan


User currently offlineCjbmibe From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2820 times:

Columba, I apologise... What I meant to say was it didnt resemble Deutsch BA for a few years. I knew it was a German based BA a while ago, just that it is not now.


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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2769 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 8):
British Airways sold it a few years ago because they were not able to make profit out of this airline. A German business man bought it and turned Deutsche BA into DBA (they had to change livery and everything that is reminder to BA).

Slightly worng on the order....Deutsche BA dumped international routes and gained the "dba" name BEFORE its sale. At that time U2 were the most likely buyer. They spend shedloads of money on an option to purchase and even had their people @ dba for a while.

Quoting Jamake1 (Reply 10):
In other words, DBA's operations are being merged into Air Berlin's in April. Correct?

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The best parallel is US/HP. Although all flights are MARKETED and sold as AB, they are in fact operated by dba. Much like "US Airways operated by America West"



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