Skoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1 Posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8175 times:
I've lived in BUF for 17 years, and I've never seen weather like this.
Wind from the W (260 degrees) at 47 MPH, gusts 60+ (direction variable, it's shifting to the active rwy direction of 230)
Visibility 0 miles
Sky conditions obscured
Weather Heavy Snow
Temperature 14 F (-10 C)
Windchill -2 F (-19 C)
Dew Point 12 F (-11 C)
Relative Humidity 92%
Pressure (altimeter) 29.8 in. Hg (1009 hPa)
Right now a ground stop in in effect, and everything coming inbound is flying up, circling around, and diverting to ROC, SYR, CLE, PIT, and BWI. ATC reports RVR's around 500-600.
A0174/07 (02/020) - RUNWAY CLOSED 05/23 03 FEB 22:35 UNTIL UFN
A0164/07 (02/009) - RUNWAY CLOSED 14/32 WIE UNTIL UFN
Current viz is zero, and the snow's coming down at a rate of 2 inches per hour. If it's any consolation, it's supposed to let up in a few of hours, but with 8 inches already on the airport, I'm sure they'll see over a foot...
Skoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7990 times:
I saw both of those WN flights. I'd be mad if I was on the one that came up and then turned back to BWI, but BWI is certainly the smart choice because it's easier to re-accommodate the PAX off of the flight.
Will be interesting to see if the Delta and AirTran flights make it in or are forced an alternate.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 7931 times:
Quoting Skoker (Reply 5): I'd be mad if I was on the one that came up and then turned back to BWI
Runway 14/32 isn't usuable (even if it were plowed) since it's out of crosswind limits, and runway 23 is the only one that can be used (runway 5 is out of tailwind limits.) If runway 23 is closed (presumably for plowing) and the visibility is below the minimums needed for the 23 approach due to the heavy snow, why on earth would you be "mad" about heading back to BWI? Sure, I could see being "disappointed" at being late into BUF, but mad? It ain't no sunny 70-degree day out there...
Skoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7822 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6): Runway 14/32 isn't usuable (even if it were plowed) since it's out of crosswind limits, and runway 23 is the only one that can be used (runway 5 is out of tailwind limits.) If runway 23 is closed (presumably for plowing) and the visibility is below the minimums needed for the 23 approach due to the heavy snow, why on earth would you be "mad" about heading back to BWI? Sure, I could see being "disappointed" at being late into BUF, but mad? It ain't no sunny 70-degree day out there...
I'm saying if I was Joe Q. Passenger who didn't know anything about wind limits and such... I'd be a little upset that we didn't go straight to BWI.
But then again, I'm familiar with limits and I know the intricacies of Lake Effect enough to know that there was no way BUF is/was landable.
BWI is not really close enough to BUF to be considered 'close'.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 7729 times:
Quoting Skoker (Reply 8): I'd be a little upset that we didn't go straight to BWI.
In a weather situation like this, there are two things that potentially keep you from landing, namely, the visibility, and the condition of the runway. If the runway is going to be closed for plowing until 8:30, and you're scheduled to arrive at 8:30, you should be able to get right in, assuming the runway opens as advertised and the visibility is above minimums. Say you get there at 8:30 and plows are late getting off the runway and it's not open until 8:45. Should you immediately divert to BWI? If the runway opens at 8:45 but the visibility then goes below minimums, do you then immediately divert to BWI or do you expect to be able to hold for a little while to see if the visibility pops back up above minimums?
Two things I'm trying to get across here are that (1) weather is not an absolute and it can easily vary minute-by-minute, and that you need to plan(fuel-wise) for that, and that (2) things happen by design and intent. I can guarantee you that if an immediate diversion had occurred, there'd be lots of folks just as unhappy that they were unable to hold even a little while to await possible improvement. Sometimes the weather does improve (and you get in), and sometimes it doesn't (and you end up diverting after all). That said, one can't really retroactively conclude you shouldn't have held and diverted immediately--the weather could have just easily improved and you'd have been able to get in.
WMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 12 Reply 13, posted (6 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 7504 times:
I just flew into BUF from BOS on flt 1217 the 555p arrival, actually arrived at 1025p. We where the first jetblue aircraft to land in BUF. Flt 1219, also from BOS, was right behind us, and right behind them was a JFK flight. We had to wait about 20 minutes for a gate as Gate 7 and 8 where both occupied by 320s waiting to be deiced. A great majority of the customers took the delays in stride as they new the weather in BUF was bad as most where on the phone with family members in BUF. The approach was a bit hairy with the strong gusty winds, blowing snow, and very very slick runways. The Conga Line did their best to get the ramp, taxiways and runways clear but I fear they will be at it all night.
Tjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2319 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 6444 times:
We had a mess here in GRR too due to heavy lake effect snow and high winds.
At times visibilities were reported zero-1/16 of a mile with heavy snow & blowing snow. Airport crews struggled all day Saturday to keep 26L/8R open- one of three runways. Only a couple of flights in or out from about noon until early evening- most carriers cancelled.
At home there were times I couldn't even see my mailbox on the street next to my driveway..... pretty nasty.
Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
AEroc From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 311 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (6 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5004 times:
Here in KROC we got a bunch of flights from the BUF. Personally we had a MQ CR7 from ORD come in and then sit in ROC b/c the crap that was in BUF moved into ROC for awhile. Everyone seemed to have flights coming from BUF though. Oh well the price one pays for living by the lakes!