Skoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1 Posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7564 times:
Wow!
I've lived in BUF for 17 years, and I've never seen weather like this.
Current Conditions:
Quote:
Wind from the W (260 degrees) at 47 MPH, gusts 60+ (direction variable, it's shifting to the active rwy direction of 230)
Visibility 0 miles
Sky conditions obscured
Weather Heavy Snow
Freezing fog
Blowing snow
Temperature 14 F (-10 C)
Windchill -2 F (-19 C)
Dew Point 12 F (-11 C)
Relative Humidity 92%
Pressure (altimeter) 29.8 in. Hg (1009 hPa)
Right now a ground stop in in effect, and everything coming inbound is flying up, circling around, and diverting to ROC, SYR, CLE, PIT, and BWI. ATC reports RVR's around 500-600.
United_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7157 posts, RR: 8 Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7562 times:
ROC isn't much better,I can barely see across the street. FDX 967heavy has an engine fire indicator on #1 ,too! Inbound to r/w 22.
[Edited 2007-02-04 00:54:52]
'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
A0174/07 (02/020) - RUNWAY CLOSED 05/23 03 FEB 22:35 UNTIL UFN
A0164/07 (02/009) - RUNWAY CLOSED 14/32 WIE UNTIL UFN
Current viz is zero, and the snow's coming down at a rate of 2 inches per hour. If it's any consolation, it's supposed to let up in a few of hours, but with 8 inches already on the airport, I'm sure they'll see over a foot...
Skoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7474 times:
Here's a rundown on the list of Cancellations I've got as of 7:15 EST:
Skoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7379 times:
I saw both of those WN flights. I'd be mad if I was on the one that came up and then turned back to BWI, but BWI is certainly the smart choice because it's easier to re-accommodate the PAX off of the flight.
Will be interesting to see if the Delta and AirTran flights make it in or are forced an alternate.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7320 times:
Quoting Skoker (Reply 5): I'd be mad if I was on the one that came up and then turned back to BWI
Runway 14/32 isn't usuable (even if it were plowed) since it's out of crosswind limits, and runway 23 is the only one that can be used (runway 5 is out of tailwind limits.) If runway 23 is closed (presumably for plowing) and the visibility is below the minimums needed for the 23 approach due to the heavy snow, why on earth would you be "mad" about heading back to BWI? Sure, I could see being "disappointed" at being late into BUF, but mad? It ain't no sunny 70-degree day out there...
N751PR From United States of America, joined May 2002, 1247 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7265 times:
...and I was thinking of doing a birthday MR to there around this weekend too! Looks like I should be thankful that I didn't go ahead with booking it!
[Edited 2007-02-04 02:29:25]
Ladies and Gentlemen it's happy hour.You will get two approaches for the price of one.
Skoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1 Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7211 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 6): Runway 14/32 isn't usuable (even if it were plowed) since it's out of crosswind limits, and runway 23 is the only one that can be used (runway 5 is out of tailwind limits.) If runway 23 is closed (presumably for plowing) and the visibility is below the minimums needed for the 23 approach due to the heavy snow, why on earth would you be "mad" about heading back to BWI? Sure, I could see being "disappointed" at being late into BUF, but mad? It ain't no sunny 70-degree day out there...
I'm saying if I was Joe Q. Passenger who didn't know anything about wind limits and such... I'd be a little upset that we didn't go straight to BWI.
But then again, I'm familiar with limits and I know the intricacies of Lake Effect enough to know that there was no way BUF is/was landable.
BWI is not really close enough to BUF to be considered 'close'.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7118 times:
Quoting Skoker (Reply 8): I'd be a little upset that we didn't go straight to BWI.
In a weather situation like this, there are two things that potentially keep you from landing, namely, the visibility, and the condition of the runway. If the runway is going to be closed for plowing until 8:30, and you're scheduled to arrive at 8:30, you should be able to get right in, assuming the runway opens as advertised and the visibility is above minimums. Say you get there at 8:30 and plows are late getting off the runway and it's not open until 8:45. Should you immediately divert to BWI? If the runway opens at 8:45 but the visibility then goes below minimums, do you then immediately divert to BWI or do you expect to be able to hold for a little while to see if the visibility pops back up above minimums?
Two things I'm trying to get across here are that (1) weather is not an absolute and it can easily vary minute-by-minute, and that you need to plan(fuel-wise) for that, and that (2) things happen by design and intent. I can guarantee you that if an immediate diversion had occurred, there'd be lots of folks just as unhappy that they were unable to hold even a little while to await possible improvement. Sometimes the weather does improve (and you get in), and sometimes it doesn't (and you end up diverting after all). That said, one can't really retroactively conclude you shouldn't have held and diverted immediately--the weather could have just easily improved and you'd have been able to get in.
ADiZzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 171 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7096 times:
JetBlue has 5 jets enroute to BUF lets see what happens with them!
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7032 times:
Quoting ADiZzy (Reply 10): JetBlue has 5 jets enroute to BUF lets see what happens with them!
They probably didn't launch them until there was some improvement, which there has indeed been.. Vis up to 1-3/4 miles and you only need 1/2 mile to get in...
WMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 13 Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 6893 times:
I just flew into BUF from BOS on flt 1217 the 555p arrival, actually arrived at 1025p. We where the first jetblue aircraft to land in BUF. Flt 1219, also from BOS, was right behind us, and right behind them was a JFK flight. We had to wait about 20 minutes for a gate as Gate 7 and 8 where both occupied by 320s waiting to be deiced. A great majority of the customers took the delays in stride as they new the weather in BUF was bad as most where on the phone with family members in BUF. The approach was a bit hairy with the strong gusty winds, blowing snow, and very very slick runways. The Conga Line did their best to get the ramp, taxiways and runways clear but I fear they will be at it all night.
Jumpseatflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 163 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 6739 times:
Its times like these I wish I still worked line service at Prior...
Tjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2296 posts, RR: 3 Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5833 times:
We had a mess here in GRR too due to heavy lake effect snow and high winds.
At times visibilities were reported zero-1/16 of a mile with heavy snow & blowing snow. Airport crews struggled all day Saturday to keep 26L/8R open- one of three runways. Only a couple of flights in or out from about noon until early evening- most carriers cancelled.
At home there were times I couldn't even see my mailbox on the street next to my driveway..... pretty nasty.
Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
AEroc From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 310 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4393 times:
Here in KROC we got a bunch of flights from the BUF. Personally we had a MQ CR7 from ORD come in and then sit in ROC b/c the crap that was in BUF moved into ROC for awhile. Everyone seemed to have flights coming from BUF though. Oh well the price one pays for living by the lakes!
Skoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4297 times:
This morning was relatively calm, but right now (exactly noon EST) the snow and wind are really picking up again.
There's only one cancelled pair right now, a Chautauqua E145 BUF-LGA-RDU, because the inbound cancelled at LGA after flying the PHL-LGA leg.
Aogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 933 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3342 times:
Quoting Jumpseatflyer (Reply 14): Its times like these I wish I still worked line service at Prior...
How long ago did you work for Prior?? Ever work over at UPS?
Skoker From United States of America, joined Apr 2006, 439 posts, RR: 1 Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2268 times:
I'm happy, this just popped up on my school's website:
...and they said higher education was serious. Pffff.
LemonKitty From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 129 posts, RR: 11 Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2168 times:
I was there and out in that mess!!! here are some pics..Remember this was before 5pm...LK
Aogdesk From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 933 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2122 times:
ZRB2 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 894 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 2 weeks ago) and read 1994 times:
Quoting LemonKitty (Reply 22): I was there and out in that mess!!! here are some pics..Remember this was before 5pm...LK
Great pics, thanks. Love seeing that blowing snow up at my hometown airport. Good to hear that today it's lightening up in the northtowns and its a nice balmy 12 degrees w/ 22 mph winds!
25 Skoker: That's my hometown! My best friend's father was on Good Morning America yesterday talking about the snow.) Those must have been at Gate 16? I luv the
26 United_Fan: The next couple days ought to be interesting in BUF & ROC with a storm coimg our way!
27 WMUPilot: Yup, starting tomorrow morning and continuing on through wedensday. Then it will turn into a Nor'ester as it travels up the coast.
28 KstateinALB: Yea... ALB is expected to get from 7 to 12 inches as I heard, should be an interesting couple of days.
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