Kalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5 Posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3945 times:
Bill would buy state a $1.9M private jet
A hearing is scheduled for Wednesday on the proposal introduced by Sen. Hanabusa
By Alexandre Da Silva
A bill to be considered by the Legislature would set aside $1.9 million in taxpayer money for the state to buy an aircraft for official business.
State Sen. J. Kalani English, chairman of the transportation committee, said he will hold a hearing on Senate Bill 1977 Wednesday to see whether buying a plane would save the state money.
As a neighbor island senator, he said he understands the hardships and costs of travel.
The bill, which notes that many other states already own aircraft, calls for the state Department of Transportation to buy and maintain the plane "to be used by the governor, state executives, and other officers" for state business and disaster relief purposes.
"Given the state of Hawaii's location in the middle of the Pacific Ocean at some distance from mainland states, a state-owned aircraft would be particularly useful and economical," it reads.
English said he put the bill on Wednesday's agenda because he thought it was part of the Lingle administration's legislative package.
But Linda Smith, Lingle's senior policy adviser, said the bill is not from the governor's office.
But the state might also be able to bid on the Alaska governor's jet. It's going on sale on eBay tomorrow. (eBay Auction)
Kaukau From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3846 times:
I personally am against our state owning a private jet. I believe that our collected money should be spent on our collective interests, i.e. purchase tix on HA, AQ, WP, and LW like the rest of us, and support our local businesses!!!
KC135TopBoom From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12259 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3828 times:
The Alaska airplane for sale, isn't that the Westwind they just bought last year?
Quoting Bimmerkid19 (Reply 1): wouldn't they need an aircraft that has at least a good range? In this case, i think they should opt for a bit more to set aside. A second-hand BBJ would be excellent or even a Gulfstream IV/SP
I agree, a Westwind would only be good for island hoping. It would not be good for flights to/from the lower 48. That is because when it leaves California for Hawaii, it does not have the required fuel reserves to fly for 6 hours to Hawaii, then be able to hold for an additional 2 hours. IIRC, that is the required FAA fuel reserve for island destinations. Flying to California from Hawaii would not be a problem.
ANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3624 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 3): The Alaska airplane for sale, isn't that the Westwind they just bought last year?
Yes, same aircraft. Our former Gov had the Department of Public Safety buy it. He got tired of the King Air. Said he wanted a "real toilet". That no kidding - that's nearly a quote. Also some horsehockey about being able to move prisoners faster, blah, blah.
Hawaii, you can have the thing. No one wanted it here. It can't land at a majority of the airports in Bush Alaska - unpaved and too short. It was a status symbol for that loser we voted out of office (2nd least popular Gov in the nation, got whipped like a dog in Primaries).
Penguinflies From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 993 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3481 times:
Hawaii business relies on interisland airlines. Not the most cost/time efficient. Add the time and cost of parking, security, time in terminal, and security of state property nearly doubles and triples the actual flight time. It is great to study the cost savings of highly paid state employees to see how the State could utilize an aircraft. Also note that air travel is non-existant after 9pm(ish) and before 5am with-in the islands.
As stated in the article, a Cessna Caravan, pc-12, or King Air would be an ideal solution to by-pass the hassles of commerical air travel and save time. Maybe the state could enter into a charter agreement with pacific wings or mokulele air and just charter/add an aircraft to their certificates (both currently operate C-208s).
If they looked into larger aircraft to the mainland, they have to look into a Hawker 800 xp (currently used by Air Med to transport patients from HNL-California), Falcon 50ex or similar aircraft. Also note-
Island Air does offer charters on a Challenger 601 for this purpose.
Falcon flyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3393 times:
AirMed's Hawkers are actually API wingleted 800As and not XPs. $1.9 isn't going to get you a lot of airplane. We've taken our 800A from MRY to KOA safely, landing with over 45 minute reserves but that's under FAR-91. Its really not the airplane for it.
My definition of cool ? Not trying so hard to be cool.
SkyexRamper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3378 times:
Only $1.9 Million, what are the people fussing about, that's a steal provided the jet is in good condition and ready to fly. May they'll order a VLJ because for $1.9 you can't buy anything with HNL to Mainland range anyhow. Who the heck still wants a Westwind, they're nightmares. Fuel hungry engines and lots of maintenance and the performance isn't the best.
Hawaiian717 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3229 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3289 times:
I don't really see the advantage. Flights are frequent enough that during the day it's not going to be a big delay waiting for the next flight. And with Go's loads, if nothing else they've probably got room. (Sorry, can't resist the opportunity to take a cheap shot at them.) I'm thinking a better approach would be to reach an agreement with someone to provide a charter operation for the rare times when scheduled service won't cut it. How often does a state official need to go to an outer island in the middle of the night, anyway?
The State of Minnesota owns a Cessna Citation 550 and one or two King Airs to transport high-level officials around the country... while the Citation 550 is mainly used for the Governor and Lt. Governor.