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The 787 Is Jetlag-free  
User currently offlineTrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 514 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 14737 times:

"Fly, Jet-Lag Free
Want to avoid jet-lag? New 787 is designed to make you feel more refreshed."
...so the headline read for the short US news video available at
http://video.news.com.au/ Search for 787.

I'm not disputing the 'more refereshed' claim, but I thought that travelling across time zones was the cause of jetlag. How can any jetlag be avoided by aircraft type? Even if we could travel from London to Sydney in a few hours, our bodies would still feel the effects of time zone change.

The effects of jetlag could perhaps be decreased with LCD ligting and increased humidity and cabin pressure. But it looks like the media doing a good job to keep most people confused between jetlag and feeling tired from a long haul flight across few, if any time zones.

I wonder if Boeing will refund our money if we fly the 787 and get jetlag...

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User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14600 times:

Quoting Trent1000 (Thread starter):
The effects of jetlag could perhaps be decreased with LCD ligting and increased humidity and cabin pressure. But it looks like the media doing a good job to keep most people confused between jetlag and feeling tired from a long haul flight across few, if any time zones.

Right...it could be decreased but not jet-lag free.
Seems like the media doesn't understand jet-lag to begin with.



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User currently offlineUtapao From Thailand, joined Jul 2005, 645 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14596 times:

Quoting Trent1000 (Thread starter):
But it looks like the media doing a good job to keep most people confused between jetlag and feeling tired from a long haul flight across few, if any time zones.

So... media is doing a good job, but you ask if...

Quoting Trent1000 (Thread starter):
I wonder if Boeing will refund our money if we fly the 787 and get jetlag...

No.



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User currently offlineSkyexramper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 14282 times:

The best you can do is get rest when your body is telling you to, drink water or juice (keep hydrated), eat good food. But the big help to lower jet-lag would be to get a higher pressure vessel to reduce the cabin altitude, as most airliners are pressurized to 8000 ft, so sucking the thinner air doesn't help.

User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2659 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 14007 times:

Boeing would be best advised to shut-up about this, since they cannot actually reduce the effect for all people. Maybe some can be temporarily fooled by twinkling LCDs and so forth, but once that cabin door opens at the destination.....all bets are off. It's not good to float bogus claims in this business, is it?

User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3505 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 13564 times:

Soon they are going to claim that "flying dreamliner improves your sexual life"  Yeah sure  Yeah sure  Yeah sure

User currently offlineKevin752 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 725 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12270 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
Soon they are going to claim that "flying dreamliner improves your sexual life"

LOL, that was a good one.



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User currently offlineManu From Canada, joined Dec 2004, 406 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12128 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
"flying dreamliner improves your sexual life"

Someone once told me if you see it in print it must be fact... Does this mean the dreamliner will have bigger, cleaner washrooms for that mile high "club"?

PS: JK.


User currently offlineAleksandar From Serbia, joined Jul 2000, 3235 posts, RR: 32
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11848 times:

Well, airliner commercials can sometimes sound ridiculous. I understand the wish of manufacturers to promote their new product as good as they possibly can, but sometimes they are just ridiculous. If you take a look at some old commercials, you will see similar things. For example, 747 was advertised as a "flying hotel". I think that A340 for advertised as a widebody capable of profitably flying anywhere you want to, and so on. So, it is just another commercial. If that can make impact on future sales, it is fine by me, but such commercials usually target potential passengers more and so far, not a single airline anywhere in the world would ask them what to buy.


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User currently offlineBobski From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 83 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11363 times:
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Quoting Manu (Reply 9):
Someone once told me if you see it in print it must be fact... Does this mean the dreamliner will have bigger, cleaner washrooms for that mile high "club"?

They'd better, the current ones are too damned cramped to do anything properly!



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User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 927 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10967 times:

"Jet Lag" is a form of sleep deprivation. The physical act of crossing time zones has nothing to do with the resulting physical and mental discomfort. If it did, astronauts would be flying zombies within 24 hours, after all, each of them crosses 24 time zones every 90 minutes, and somehow they seem to function quite well. The closest you would get to lessening the discomfort is to fly Concorde, but ultimately, you internal clocks will catch up with the environment you find yourself in. In other words, leave JFK at 8AM, arrive in London at Noon, you brain's time, which is 6PM as far as the Londoner's go. You feel great (other than being out $12,000 cash), and your brain still has a good 10 hours of fuel to run on until you get tired. By then, it is 6AM local, you need some sleep, after all, its been a long day, but you have a business meeting to go to in 2 hours. Jet Lag. The same applies on today's aircraft. Leave for Europe at 5PM Eastern time, tense after rushing the entire day so you won't be late, get stuck in traffic, sit on your rear for 2 hours because of security, then fly for 8 hours, and you arrive at 1AM, late, after every spare molecule of water has been sucked out of your system, you've drunk more alcohol than you normally would, eaten either plastic in the back, or too much up front, both of which are sitting like lead in your stomach which is not emptying the way it would on the ground where you walk around and have a normal partial pressure of oxygen environment, and you don't exactly look or feel to well when the aircraft and crew spits you out. Jet Lag.

More cabin pressure and a tad extra humidity will help, but there is no one who is going to look or feel great after a 787 ride, no matter how pretty the cabin may be. The secret to lessening the discomfort is hydration, and as much sleep as you can get, before, during, and after the flight. Personally, I've figured out how to eliminate all Jet Lag GOING to Europe, but it always catches up with me on my return to the East Coast, and I drag my tail for upwards of a week, as my brain takes its revenge on my body for putting it through such torture.



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User currently offlineBucchinij From France, joined Aug 2000, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10866 times:

The only way I can see an airplane to be jetlag free is if it flies within the same timezone!

User currently offlineDiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 812 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10654 times:

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 12):
I've figured out how to eliminate all Jet Lag GOING to Europe

Please explain this! Do you mean taking the daylight eastbound? This works best for me, just because each night, even if it's shorter than usual, is spent in a bed.


User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 10309 times:

Quoting Bucchinij (Reply 13):
The only way I can see an airplane to be jetlag free is if it flies within the same timezone!

Exactly my understanding..... how come if I fly from YYZ to Barbados 5-6hr. flight and I have no real issues with sleeping..... but if I fly from YYZ to AMS about 6 hr flight my clock is off....
 scratchchin  no 787/350 will be able to change your inner clock if you travel to different time zones, but hey nice try...  bigthumbsup 

Cheers,


User currently offlineKalvado From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 10257 times:

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Reply 15):
Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 12):
I've figured out how to eliminate all Jet Lag GOING to Europe

Please explain this!

let me think.. How about flying to Europe - spend a few nights in night clubs and sleep till late afternoon, then flying back to US.. No jetlag whatsoever!  Smile


User currently offlineEagle11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 9764 times:

The day we are able to eliminate jet lag will be the same day the earth stops rotating on its axis.  Yeah sure


In other words, it's not going to happen any time soon.



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User currently offlineSSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9471 times:

Quoting Trent1000 (Thread starter):
Trent1000

Your post is correct and balanced, in my view.

I understand that jet lag is from a number of factors:

-High Altitude air pressure for an extended period of time
-dry air environment
-lack of sleep, and aches and pains related to sitting up in a cramped seat all night.
-crossing time zones.
-Imobility
-Some passengers exacerbate these effects by drinking alcohol in large amounts

It seems to me that the 787 can can help aleviate the effects of the first two, however it can do little about the rest, especially the crossing of the time zones.

I have heard that it takes the human body one day per hour of time zone change to adjust, due to our internal clock which manages our awake and sleep cycles, which has to slowly reboot. In other words, if you cross ten time zones, according to that claim, it takes fully 10 days for your body to be adjusted to your new time zone. Whatever the ratio actually is, a trip on the the 787 can do nothing about arriving at your destination and needing to be awake when you are sleepy, or wanting to sleep at night, but you can't, for several days.

One wonders to what extent Boeing PR encourages this distortion of the truth by the press, because whereas higher humidity and cabin air pressure will have a positive effect, and that makes for good PR; to suggest that jetlag would be beaten by the 787 is not correct.

I recall old A/C and airline advertisements regarding the first B and possibly MD passenger jets (707, DC-8), about how we would "fly twice as high, "above the weather...," and that is certainly not the case. I'm frequently in jet A/C which have to fly around cumulo-stratus clouds or make course or alititude corrections in an attempt to escape relentless chop...



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User currently offlineGeorgiaAME From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 927 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 9133 times:

Quoting Bucchinij (Reply 13):
The only way I can see an airplane to be jet lag free is if it flies within the same timezone!

Not quite, but sort of... Leave early on a long flight going due north or south, you will be tired and numb on arrival, but since the local time there is the same as your departure, it will just be a long DAY. Do an 11PM departure, stay up all night after a long day, drink plenty of alcohol, and first get to bed at 10AM, you will be zonked. Same jet lag. Recovery period might be shorter, though because your natural brain rhythms are unchanged.

Quoting GeorgiaAME (Reply 12):
I've figured out how to eliminate all Jet Lag GOING to Europe

My personal secret is a very short acting sleeping pill (Sonata) taken 2 hours after takeoff, usually around the Gulf of Maine when I am flying to Europe from Atlanta. Plus my noise cancelling headphones (I've tried em all, they are all good, but unfortunately the Bose are superb). I am usually out cold for 5 hours of good, uninterrupted sleep, and can still be very easily awakened (2 medical emergencies in flight on my last trip...), but I arrive human. It works the same in economy or in business. Also, the faster you get into a shower on arrival, the better you feel. It probably won't work for everyone, but it does work, consistently, for me. And sleep on the plane/headsets do nothing for me on the return flight.



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User currently offlineAA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2541 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 8794 times:
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Quoting MD80fanatic (Reply 4):
It's not good to float bogus claims in this business, is it?

Is it really going to make a huge difference? I dont think so. Sure the airlines look at cool features for pax, but this is not what would make or break a deal. The planes performance, range, capacity and fuel consumption are the dealbreakers....... so all this about LCD lights and bigger windows... its just extra. If boeing retracted their statements about reduction of jetlag.... i highly doubt anyone would cancel their order.  Smile

-AA777


User currently offlineMD80fanatic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 2659 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7688 times:

Order counts probably will not be affected, but saying things like "jetlag-free" does impact Boeing PR's credibility a little. What can I expect next from them, that the 787 will feature tires that will last the life of the airframe....without wear?

I'll stick to my previous statement, that Boeing should shut their pieholes unless they have something real and substantive to say.


User currently offlineOsiris30 From Barbados, joined Sep 2006, 3186 posts, RR: 26
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7609 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 7):
Soon they are going to claim that "flying dreamliner improves your sexual life"

Actually due to the lower cabin pressure the mile high club is likely to be less exciting (the lower atmosphere in most plains is why the mile high club is so 'good').



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User currently offlineFrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3613 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 7353 times:

What makes me Jet-lagged, or tired, whatever, after a flight is the fact that I can't sleep.
I can't find a comfy position, my knees are incrusted into a fellow passenger's back in front of me, my a$$ feels like it's made of wood after a few hours, the seat is hard and hardly reclines...

I don't care if they end up sprinkling water in the cabin or try all the existing forms of lighting known to man, unless they make bigger seats, nothing is going to change for me. And of course, the manufacturer has nothing to do with that...

Well I guess the REAL problem is that I can't afford business class, really...



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User currently offlineCorsair1107 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 6809 times:

Quoting Francoflier (Reply 24):
What makes me Jet-lagged, or tired, whatever, after a flight is the fact that I can't sleep.
I can't find a comfy position, my knees are incrusted into a fellow passenger's back in front of me, my a$$ feels like it's made of wood after a few hours, the seat is hard and hardly reclines...

I don't care if they end up sprinkling water in the cabin or try all the existing forms of lighting known to man, unless they make bigger seats, nothing is going to change for me. And of course, the manufacturer has nothing to do with that...

that about sums up my thoughs on the matter as well.



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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4944 times:

Trying to sleep when your body isn't interested doesn't help either. I don't go to sleep at 9pm in my comfy bed, so I certainly won't in a cramped aircraft, irrespective of the fact that it's 'nighttime' on board according to the arrival timezone...

The best sleep I've ever had was a middle seat between 2 large men (I'm big as well) on a CO 757, as the plane didn't take off until 12.30am, then immediately gave us a (surprisingly large) meal...1am...full stomach...zzzzzz



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User currently offlineAntskip From Australia, joined Jan 2006, 910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4659 times:

Quoting Bucchinij (Reply 13):
The only way I can see an airplane to be jetlag free is if it flies within the same timezone!

Would there really be no jetlag if we all shared the same "time", wherever we are on earth? Yet that is what we do - no-one actually lives at a different time - everything alive lives in the same moment - so real time has no time zones. Our time zones are constructs, not naturally real, and can be varied from how they are now to just one only or thousands of them.


25 Trent1000 : This thread was a reaction to a combination of Boeing spin and media spin resulting in a weak leak in 'cause and effect'. To be fair, it was the repor
26 Ruscoe : I think the advantages offered by the CFRP fuselage of the 787 could become an industrial matter. As pointed out already, the dry air and low cabin pr
27 DAYflyer : No airplane will ever be "jet lagg free". Unless of course, it can travel at warp speed....
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