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Why EasyJet Not Bigger Planes?  
User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2902 times:

Hi folks,

Easyjet is constantly gaining success. Here in GVA, for example, EasyJet Switzerland is the number one operator and has almost as many destinations from GVAin Europe than Swiss does from ZRH.
Still with the GVA example, EasyJet planes are fully packed according to EAZYAirbus, especially when it comes to ski charters. All this leads me to ask.
Why does EasyJet not get bigger a/c like the A320. It seems to work well for the LCC's with the A320 like Clickair , Vueling , Air Berlin to name a few. I know EZY leased a 757. Has EasyJet considered this seriously(I've only heard rumours about it). Perhaps EZY connoisseurs like EZYAirbus have info about it.

Regards
BM

[Edited 2007-02-05 11:25:57]


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User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2899 times:

The A319s are a little too large really, with 1 row too many requiring an extra cabin crew member. Oooops

User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

Its probably better to operate a smaller aircraft at capacity all the time and add frequency than it does to operate a larger aircraft at potentially less than capacity at the same frequency.

Spare planes can be moved around, spare capacity on a plane cant. Once youve increased the size of the aircraft, you are limited in options.


User currently onlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5015 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 2890 times:

Though there have been rumors in the past of Easyjet taking some A320s or even A321s, I suspect that, in true LCC style, they will just keep on increasing frequencies to grow capacity.

User currently offlineKevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1165 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2864 times:

Quoting Richardw (Reply 1):
The A319s are a little too large really, with 1 row too many requiring an extra cabin crew member. Oooops

Not an oooops at all. This was considered indeed by U2. They judged that the added revenue from seven extra seats (149 + 7) plus the added onboard sales gained from an extra F/A (remember on short flights this can be important) would more than cover the cost of an extra FA.

Kevin777  Smile



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User currently offlineCobra27 From Slovenia, joined May 2001, 1009 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2849 times:

Keep in mind that easyjet puts around 150 seats on a plane, that is more than competition and slightly less than A320. I think in a well packed A319 you get really low cost per km, but surely not as low as it would be in packed A321

User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19193 posts, RR: 52
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
It seems to work well for the LCC's with the A320 like Clickair , Vueling ,

The 320 is also popular with Asian discount carriers, like Air Arabia, Jazeera Airways, AirAsia (hoping to operate about 400 320s, Tiger Airways, Jet*Asia, Valuair, etc. And then there is, of course, those new U.S. and A carriers which intend to operate the 319 or 320 or both, like SkyBus and Virgin America, not to mention existing U. S. and A airlines, like JetBlue, that operate the 320. Who knows what U2 will do?

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
Still with the GVA example, EasyJet planes are fully packed

Not surprising, seeing it operates 9 flights on Saturdays during the winter from LGW to GVA.

[Edited 2007-02-05 11:40:51]


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User currently offlineEGBJ From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 498 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2780 times:

I remember seeing an easyjet 747 in Airliner World a couple of years back. Can anyone confirm this?? I think it was a 742 on lease from Air Atlanta.

To answer you question I guess its a matter of "if its not broke dont fix it". Easyjet are one of the most profitable airlines in Europe, if not the world. Why change a business model that is so successful??

Rich


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19193 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2767 times:

Quoting EGBJ (Reply 7):
I remember seeing an easyjet 747 in Airliner World a couple of years back. Can anyone confirm this??

April fools.  Big grin

Quoting EGBJ (Reply 7):
To answer you question I guess its a matter of "if its not broke dont fix it".

I dislike that: everything can always be improved. Now, I'm certainly not saying that the 320 would improve it, but the willingness and ability to change, whether due to changing demand, to take advantage of new opportunities or to increase efficiency or whatever, is essential.



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User currently offlineEGBJ From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 498 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2751 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
April fools.

Lol yeh it probably was Big grin

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
everything can always be improved.

True, but necessity breeds invention and I can't see U2 buying bigger planes just for the sake of it. If they are making healthy profits with a low capacity/high frequency philosophy then they will continue to buy A319's.

Maybe in the future when they serve every city in Europe and look further afield to places like North Africa and the Middle East then we will see bigger planes....maybe with IFE Big grin

 Smile


User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

Quoting EGBJ (Reply 9):
look further afield to places like North Africa and the Middle East then we will see bigger planes....maybe with IFE

CMN and RAK are already on the U2 map http://www.easyjet.com/EN/routemap


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19193 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2715 times:

Quoting EGBJ (Reply 9):
True, but necessity breeds invention and I can't see U2 buying bigger planes just for the sake of it. If they are making healthy profits with a low capacity/high frequency philosophy then they will continue to buy A319's.

As I said:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
I'm certainly not saying that the 320 would improve it

Perhaps it would be sensible to look at why WN operates 479 737s, namely the 733, 735 and 73G. Why did they not select the larger 734 or 738? WN does, on the whole, operate high-frequency routes. Would a larger aircraft mean it'd have to reduce its frequencies, thus perhaps reducing its overall consumer convenience, usability and flexibility? That might be just one of the explainations...



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Quoting Richardw (Reply 10):
RAK

Ras al-Khaima?

The A319s that U2 have dont have the legs.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3745 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2644 times:

I think RAK is MarRAKech

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2622 times:

Sorry I got mixed up - RAK is RAK Airlines - as in - Ras Al-Khamia.


What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1413 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

I believe this question has merit when considering that U2's closest rival, FR, operates the 189-seat 738...

User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3916 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 2614 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 6):
not to mention existing U. S. and A airlines, like JetBlue, that operate the 320. Who knows what U2 will do?

Interestingly enough U2 put 156 on an A319, while B6 put 150 on their A320s!(It started off as 162 and then became 156 and now down to 150) B6 removed the last row to give pax more comfort and then later decided the extra FA was not wort the costs


Quoting EGBJ (Reply 7):
I remember seeing an easyjet 747 in Airliner World a couple of years back. Can anyone confirm this?? I think it was a 742 on lease from Air Atlanta.

It was a photoshop. Typical LCC bull!



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User currently offlineRineanna From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2472 times:

Quoting EGBJ (Reply 7):
I remember seeing an easyjet 747 in Airliner World a couple of years back. Can anyone confirm this?? I think it was a 742 on lease from Air Atlanta.

I remember seeing that too. I think they were proposing to use it to transfer passengers to the cruise ship Stelios bought a couple of years ago. Don't think it materialised though.


User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2432 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 16):
It was a photoshop. Typical LCC bull!



Quoting Rineanna (Reply 17):
remember seeing that too. I think they were proposing to use it to transfer passengers to the cruise ship Stelios bought a couple of years ago. Don't think it materialised though.

Did you not read... ?

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
Quoting EGBJ (Reply 7):
I remember seeing an easyjet 747 in Airliner World a couple of years back. Can anyone confirm this??

April fools.



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User currently offlineRineanna From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 18):
Did you not read... ?

Yes I most certainly did, but I was just adding what I read about the 747 in that same article in AW.


User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 19):
Yes I most certainly did, but I was just adding what I read about the 747 in that same article in AW.

easyJet proposed nothing... it was an April Fools joke from Airliner World - it was a wind up - nothing was ever going to materialise...

Still you, and many others clearly fell for it  Smile



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User currently offlineCornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 20):
Still you, and many others clearly fell for it

I seem to recall a lot of A.netters fell for it - even after the giveaway registration (i forget what it was - something like A-FOOL) of the said photoshopped aircraft was highlighted numerous times.....



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User currently offlineRineanna From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 880 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 20):
Still you, and many others clearly fell for it

Big whup  sarcastic 


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19193 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2310 times:

Now, now, children. Milk time. No, not from Cornish's right boob.


"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

Ok guys lets get back to the main topic


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User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1637 posts, RR: 11
Reply 25, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 2142 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 21):
I seem to recall a lot of A.netters fell for it - even after the giveaway registration (i forget what it was - something like A-FOOL) of the said photoshopped aircraft was highlighted numerous times.....

And they still do... even after it has been explained to them earlier on in this thread, they still quote the AW article to say what was supposed to 'materialise'...

RootsAir... back to your thread.  Smile

Another reason for just the A319 (as the 737s are being phased out), easyJet will have a single type fleet - thus simplifying training, maintenance, crewing, spares etc..

Adding another type (i.e. a larger aircraft) would add more cost into the operation.

I'd also expect that the by operating the A319 that there is scope to sell more seats at a higher price, thus getting more yield.
No point in having a larger aircraft if you're giving the seats away?



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