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Why EasyJet Not Bigger Planes?  
User currently offlineRootsAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2970 times:

Hi folks,

Easyjet is constantly gaining success. Here in GVA, for example, EasyJet Switzerland is the number one operator and has almost as many destinations from GVAin Europe than Swiss does from ZRH.
Still with the GVA example, EasyJet planes are fully packed according to EAZYAirbus, especially when it comes to ski charters. All this leads me to ask.
Why does EasyJet not get bigger a/c like the A320. It seems to work well for the LCC's with the A320 like Clickair , Vueling , Air Berlin to name a few. I know EZY leased a 757. Has EasyJet considered this seriously(I've only heard rumours about it). Perhaps EZY connoisseurs like EZYAirbus have info about it.

Regards
BM

[Edited 2007-02-05 11:25:57]

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User currently offlineRichardw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2967 times:

The A319s are a little too large really, with 1 row too many requiring an extra cabin crew member. Oooops

User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

Its probably better to operate a smaller aircraft at capacity all the time and add frequency than it does to operate a larger aircraft at potentially less than capacity at the same frequency.

Spare planes can be moved around, spare capacity on a plane cant. Once youve increased the size of the aircraft, you are limited in options.


User currently onlineScorpio From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2958 times:

Though there have been rumors in the past of Easyjet taking some A320s or even A321s, I suspect that, in true LCC style, they will just keep on increasing frequencies to grow capacity.

User currently offlineKevin777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2932 times:

Quoting Richardw (Reply 1):
The A319s are a little too large really, with 1 row too many requiring an extra cabin crew member. Oooops

Not an oooops at all. This was considered indeed by U2. They judged that the added revenue from seven extra seats (149 + 7) plus the added onboard sales gained from an extra F/A (remember on short flights this can be important) would more than cover the cost of an extra FA.

Kevin777  Smile


User currently offlineCobra27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2917 times:

Keep in mind that easyjet puts around 150 seats on a plane, that is more than competition and slightly less than A320. I think in a well packed A319 you get really low cost per km, but surely not as low as it would be in packed A321

User currently offlinePe@rson From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2903 times:

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
It seems to work well for the LCC's with the A320 like Clickair , Vueling ,

The 320 is also popular with Asian discount carriers, like Air Arabia, Jazeera Airways, AirAsia (hoping to operate about 400 320s, Tiger Airways, Jet*Asia, Valuair, etc. And then there is, of course, those new U.S. and A carriers which intend to operate the 319 or 320 or both, like SkyBus and Virgin America, not to mention existing U. S. and A airlines, like JetBlue, that operate the 320. Who knows what U2 will do?

Quoting RootsAir (Thread starter):
Still with the GVA example, EasyJet planes are fully packed

Not surprising, seeing it operates 9 flights on Saturdays during the winter from LGW to GVA.

[Edited 2007-02-05 11:40:51]

User currently offlineEGBJ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

I remember seeing an easyjet 747 in Airliner World a couple of years back. Can anyone confirm this?? I think it was a 742 on lease from Air Atlanta.

To answer you question I guess its a matter of "if its not broke dont fix it". Easyjet are one of the most profitable airlines in Europe, if not the world. Why change a business model that is so successful??

Rich


User currently offlinePe@rson From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2835 times:

Quoting EGBJ (Reply 7):
I remember seeing an easyjet 747 in Airliner World a couple of years back. Can anyone confirm this??

April fools.  Big grin

Quoting EGBJ (Reply 7):
To answer you question I guess its a matter of "if its not broke dont fix it".

I dislike that: everything can always be improved. Now, I'm certainly not saying that the 320 would improve it, but the willingness and ability to change, whether due to changing demand, to take advantage of new opportunities or to increase efficiency or whatever, is essential.


User currently offlineEGBJ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2819 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
April fools.

Lol yeh it probably was Big grin

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
everything can always be improved.

True, but necessity breeds invention and I can't see U2 buying bigger planes just for the sake of it. If they are making healthy profits with a low capacity/high frequency philosophy then they will continue to buy A319's.

Maybe in the future when they serve every city in Europe and look further afield to places like North Africa and the Middle East then we will see bigger planes....maybe with IFE Big grin

 Smile


User currently offlineRichardw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2803 times:

Quoting EGBJ (Reply 9):
look further afield to places like North Africa and the Middle East then we will see bigger planes....maybe with IFE

CMN and RAK are already on the U2 map http://www.easyjet.com/EN/routemap


User currently offlinePe@rson From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2783 times:

Quoting EGBJ (Reply 9):
True, but necessity breeds invention and I can't see U2 buying bigger planes just for the sake of it. If they are making healthy profits with a low capacity/high frequency philosophy then they will continue to buy A319's.

As I said:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
I'm certainly not saying that the 320 would improve it

Perhaps it would be sensible to look at why WN operates 479 737s, namely the 733, 735 and 73G. Why did they not select the larger 734 or 738? WN does, on the whole, operate high-frequency routes. Would a larger aircraft mean it'd have to reduce its frequencies, thus perhaps reducing its overall consumer convenience, usability and flexibility? That might be just one of the explainations...


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

Quoting Richardw (Reply 10):
RAK

Ras al-Khaima?

The A319s that U2 have dont have the legs.


User currently offlineRichardw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2712 times:

I think RAK is MarRAKech

User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

Sorry I got mixed up - RAK is RAK Airlines - as in - Ras Al-Khamia.

User currently offlineZSOFN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

I believe this question has merit when considering that U2's closest rival, FR, operates the 189-seat 738...

User currently offlineBrianDromey From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2682 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 6):
not to mention existing U. S. and A airlines, like JetBlue, that operate the 320. Who knows what U2 will do?

Interestingly enough U2 put 156 on an A319, while B6 put 150 on their A320s!(It started off as 162 and then became 156 and now down to 150) B6 removed the last row to give pax more comfort and then later decided the extra FA was not wort the costs


Quoting EGBJ (Reply 7):
I remember seeing an easyjet 747 in Airliner World a couple of years back. Can anyone confirm this?? I think it was a 742 on lease from Air Atlanta.

It was a photoshop. Typical LCC bull!


User currently offlineRineanna From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2540 times:

Quoting EGBJ (Reply 7):
I remember seeing an easyjet 747 in Airliner World a couple of years back. Can anyone confirm this?? I think it was a 742 on lease from Air Atlanta.

I remember seeing that too. I think they were proposing to use it to transfer passengers to the cruise ship Stelios bought a couple of years ago. Don't think it materialised though.


User currently offlineDiesel1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 16):
It was a photoshop. Typical LCC bull!



Quoting Rineanna (Reply 17):
remember seeing that too. I think they were proposing to use it to transfer passengers to the cruise ship Stelios bought a couple of years ago. Don't think it materialised though.

Did you not read... ?

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 8):
Quoting EGBJ (Reply 7):
I remember seeing an easyjet 747 in Airliner World a couple of years back. Can anyone confirm this??

April fools.


User currently offlineRineanna From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2476 times:

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 18):
Did you not read... ?

Yes I most certainly did, but I was just adding what I read about the 747 in that same article in AW.


User currently offlineDiesel1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2433 times:

Quoting Rineanna (Reply 19):
Yes I most certainly did, but I was just adding what I read about the 747 in that same article in AW.

easyJet proposed nothing... it was an April Fools joke from Airliner World - it was a wind up - nothing was ever going to materialise...

Still you, and many others clearly fell for it  Smile


User currently offlineCornish From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 20):
Still you, and many others clearly fell for it

I seem to recall a lot of A.netters fell for it - even after the giveaway registration (i forget what it was - something like A-FOOL) of the said photoshopped aircraft was highlighted numerous times.....


User currently offlineRineanna From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2396 times:

Quoting Diesel1 (Reply 20):
Still you, and many others clearly fell for it

Big whup  sarcastic 


User currently offlinePe@rson From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2378 times:

Now, now, children. Milk time. No, not from Cornish's right boob.

User currently offlineRootsAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

Ok guys lets get back to the main topic

User currently offlineDiesel1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (7 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 2210 times:

Quoting Cornish (Reply 21):
I seem to recall a lot of A.netters fell for it - even after the giveaway registration (i forget what it was - something like A-FOOL) of the said photoshopped aircraft was highlighted numerous times.....

And they still do... even after it has been explained to them earlier on in this thread, they still quote the AW article to say what was supposed to 'materialise'...

RootsAir... back to your thread.  Smile

Another reason for just the A319 (as the 737s are being phased out), easyJet will have a single type fleet - thus simplifying training, maintenance, crewing, spares etc..

Adding another type (i.e. a larger aircraft) would add more cost into the operation.

I'd also expect that the by operating the A319 that there is scope to sell more seats at a higher price, thus getting more yield.
No point in having a larger aircraft if you're giving the seats away?


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