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Rumour: 10xA346s For Cathay  
User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11028 times:

Pprune has it that Cathay Pacific (CX/CPA) is rumoured to have struck a deal with Airbus for 10 of the A346s that were originally destined for Emirates. It stated that the current batch of 3 A346s might go as soon as next year to be replaced by B773ERs initially. The new A346s would enable year round nonstop service to Johannesburg with a larger aircraft than the A343.

There is no indication of how true or false this is. However, Cathay is desparately in need of extra longhaul capacity is a fact.

Rumour Source > Pprune > Fragrant Harbour


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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10917 times:

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
Cathay Pacific (CX/CPA) is rumoured to have struck a deal with Airbus for 10 of the A346s that were originally destined for Emirates.

As much as I like this rumour (what a the contradiction to the countless 'CX not happy with A346' rumours), wasn't it Emirates that had found, or was supposed to have found a new customer for the A346?



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User currently offlineVHVXB From Australia, joined Apr 2006, 5523 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10875 times:

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
Airbus for 10 of the A346s that were originally destined for Emirates

I thought this was the same case with Virgin Blue


User currently offlineThe Coachman From Australia, joined Apr 2001, 1425 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10871 times:

If true, would be great to increase capacity on one of the SYD flights - awfully difficult finding seats sometimes - particularly the overnight from SYD CX138.

I suspect new US flights would be likely if this is true.



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User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8864 posts, RR: 75
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10815 times:

Quoting Cloudyapple (Thread starter):
Pprune has it that Cathay Pacific (CX/CPA) is rumoured to have struck a deal with Airbus for 10 of the A346s that were originally destined for Emirates.

The Airbus CP has officially denied the rumour, but we often see comments like that said for a variety of reasons from managers from many companies and industries for various reasons.

The Airbus fleet being the largest does have more training capacity than any other fleet to absorb such aircraft at short notice.

The official company line is that the rumour is not true.

P.S. Cloudyapple been almost CAVOK over the last few days, CNY maybe bring some good vis  Smile



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10564 times:

Werent the early CX A346s overweight - something to do with the wings?

Presume these would be HGW variants - I can see why CX would want them if capacity is needed.

Difficult to say if its true or not.

I would think Airbus would find the slots easier to fill as A330s...



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User currently offlineCloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10500 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 4):
P.S. Cloudyapple been almost CAVOK over the last few days, CNY maybe bring some good vis

This is what I think happens these days - we have good vis whenever the millions of Chinese chimneys stop pumping. The last time it happened was on New Year's day. By the morning on Jan 2, you couldn't see Cathay City from the tower...

I'm looking forward to CNY.



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User currently onlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10341 times:

Will they recieve these A346 quickly? If yes, I believe that this might be true, as they need the capacity. If no, I don't believe this rumor as they are recieving 77W in the near future.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10207 times:

Is the HKG - JNB route ETOPS limited? I think they use the A343 there at present - is this why?

Certainly they could use the A346 there - able to do it year round at MTOW even in the hot and high JNB conditions - i bet the A343s are payload restricted there.



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10142 times:

Just been to that thread and PPRUNE; that rumour has been debunked - not going to happen. Rumoured also that Airbus tried to flog the 10 "ex-UPS" A380s, to which CX also said "soddez-vous off".

It's going to be 773ERs; most A340-300s and the early A330s will be gone within five years. CX does have ambitious expansion plans, but they just don't feature Airbuses in the lead role.


User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 10126 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 9):
to which CX also said "soddez-vous off".

LOL!!!!



What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 8864 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9992 times:

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 8):

Certainly they could use the A346 there - able to do it year round at MTOW

Double daily JNB flight rumour has not been officially denied.  shhh 

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 9):
Just been to that thread and PPRUNE; that rumour has been debunked - not going to happen. Rumoured also that Airbus tried to flog the 10 "ex-UPS" A380s, to which CX also said "soddez-vous off".

Mental note to self, some believe anything on web sites, and some read between lines and add words like "soddez-vous off".  sarcastic 

Why would an airline look at replacing 11x747 classic freighters, they have a very high dispatch reliability and known for excellent fuel economy.  sarcastic 

Very cheap to crew with the three people up front.  crowded 

Its not like they do long distance freight flights to Europe and across the Pacific, who needs range ?  sarcastic 

The freight market out of China seems to be fairly flat at the moment as well  sarcastic 



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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 9866 times:

At this stage this one doesn't stand any ground while the one at China Eastern sounds credible.

User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9665 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 12):
At this stage this one doesn't stand any ground while the one at China Eastern sounds credible.

What or who is 'this one' that doesn't stand any ground and who or what at China Eastern sounds credible?

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 9):
Rumoured also that Airbus tried to flog the 10 "ex-UPS" A380s,

No airline was mentioned in that particular topic on Pprune, and if Airbus was trying to sell any cancelled A380F's it would have been those cancelled by FedEx. These are the only A380F's cancelled and not converted to the passenger version.



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User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12408 posts, RR: 37
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9547 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 13):
No airline was mentioned in that particular topic on Pprune, and if Airbus was trying to sell any cancelled A380F's it would have been those cancelled by FedEx. These are the only A380F's cancelled and not converted to the passenger version.

Possibly not, but it was in the "Fragrant Harbour" and the other questions in the thread related to CX; and since - following the takeover of KA, Cathay is really the only game in town, I think that's what it referred to!

I still see CX going for 748Is (and -8IFs) and 787-10s. I'm not trying to turn this into an A-v- B thing at all; I've flown on CX Airbus and love them (one of best ever flights was on a CX 330, from KIX to HKG), but I just see CX being a Boeing airline, apart from the 330s.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9480 times:

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 14):
Possibly not, but it was in the "Fragrant Harbour" and the other questions in the thread related to CX; and since - following the takeover of KA, Cathay is really the only game in town, I think that's what it referred to!

Actually I was thinking of the A380F's and for who they might originally destined for. You called them "ex UPS", while the poster on that forum called them "secondhand" A380F's. I'm not aware of UPS cancelling the A380.



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 961 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 9435 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 11):

Jeez Zeke, roll your eyes one more time and you might just go blind  Wink

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 8):
Is the HKG - JNB route ETOPS limited? I think they use the A343 there at present - is this why?

I can't imagine it would require anything other than ETOPS 180.

The only aircraft in the CX fleet that have the range for HKG-JNB are the A343, A346, and 744. Soon to be complimented by the 773ER. The only 777 models CX has at this time are -200A and -300A (non-ER), which both lack the range to fly approx 5,800 nm with payload.


User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9264 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 13):
What or who is 'this one' that doesn't stand any ground and who or what at China Eastern sounds credible?

Sources from China rumbling that China Eastern is looking at to swap all of its 343s for 346


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30565 posts, RR: 84
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9264 times:
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Since CX is phasing out their current A346 fleet and adding 773ERs, unless Airbus were offering the A346's at a steep discount, I don't see why CX doesn't stick with the 773ER, especially since they have 20 options.

And I can't see Airbus offering deep discounts on A346s when those slots could be filled by higher-margin A330s - be they passenger or freighter models.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9122 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Reply 17):
Sources from China rumbling that China Eastern is looking at to swap all of its 343s for 346

Thank you for the clarification.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 18):
Since CX is phasing out their current A346 fleet and adding 773ERs, unless Airbus were offering the A346's at a steep discount, I don't see why CX doesn't stick with the 773ER, especially since they have 20 options.

Availability perhaps. If it really are the EK slots being discussed here, they'd start to be available in a few months.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30565 posts, RR: 84
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9067 times:
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Quoting Manni (Reply 19):
Availability perhaps. If it really are the EK slots being discussed here, they'd start to be available in a few months.

True, but since I cannot believe Airbus would build 20 A346 white-tails, Airbus may have already re-assigned those slots to other frames if EK and/or Airbus has yet to find a buyer for them that wants them on the same timetable EK originally did.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9038 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 20):
I cannot believe Airbus would build 20 A346 white-tails,

No one would believe that, I think. But perhaps this deal has been a lot longer in the making. It was rumoured at the time of EK's 'cancellation' that they had found a taker for these aircraft. Meanwhile, they might have changed owner again, or the lessor that took them from EK has booked CX as a customer. Plenty of possibilities.



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 8945 times:

Maybe CX has second thoughts on their A340-600's.

Airlines like LH, VS, SQ, Thai, EK and Qatar might cross qualify their crews on A340-500/600 and A380.


User currently offlineSKY1 From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8882 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 7):
Will they recieve these A346 quickly? If yes, I believe that this might be true, as they need the capacity

That's true.

A key factor is speed in the delivery, another one is price. If Airbus can give CX both, speed and a good price this rumor makes sense.



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User currently offlineCXoneWorld From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8780 times:

Quoting SKY1 (Reply 23):
A key factor is speed in the delivery, another one is price. If Airbus can give CX both, speed and a good price this rumor makes sense.

The speed probably won't be such a huge pro if the airline is already so short of pilots/crews, as I believe it is with Cathay...



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25 Kaitak : They're still not getting them! Time to think of new homes for these aircraft. I still think the most likely outcome is for the aircraft to be convert
26 SKY1 : Speed in deliveries is not a minor issue, anyway.
27 Jimyvr : If this is meant to replace some 343, then it could be possible. Otherwise CX CEO says it has no plan to induct new aircrafts besides the 77W and 330
28 Gemini573 : As some of the previous posts have said, if they are in desperate need of aircraft, I could see it happening. I think CX's plan (based on their orders
29 Stitch : Even if they are desperate, they have 773ERs coming starting in September and continuing through July 2010 and I would like to believe that CX Fleet
30 Post contains links Zeke : The Airbus fleet is the largest fleet at CX (45 aircraft), with over 900 pilots, not including KA (32 Airbus), or Air Hong Kong (8 Airbus). Two more
31 Stitch : For what it is worth, Wikipedia says 306 (6/60/240) in the "Premium" config and 336 (6/40/290) in the "Standard" vs. 286 (8/60/218) on the A346. Perh
32 Brenintw : In the South African summer, the A343's are definitely restricted. My flight home next week (YIPPPPEEEEE!) is on a 744. Last trip home (June '06 -- S
33 2wingtips : This may help clear it up. Source: February 2007 Airline Business interview with CX Chief Executive Philip Chen. "Chen says there are no immediate pl
34 Post contains images Cloudyapple : Better give AAHK a call before they all arrive - we're running out of bays! The number of tows on the apron is crazy after 7pm thru past midnight...
35 Zeke : Nice try, it also has seat number of other aircraft as well. All will be revealed when the product is launched officially. All I can say is the offic
36 Brenintw : I like CX too much, and I get my miles on CX -- the desire to fly on an A346 isn't worth 15K miles to me ... I flew SA a few times when they still co
37 2wingtips : "But Chen says there are no immediate plans to order additional aircraft" seems to directly refer to Chen's comments to me. Whatever, I suspect you a
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