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User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1130 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10219 times:

Continental Airlines Selects Pinnacle Airlines and Bombardier Q400 Aircraft for Newark-Based Regional Service
PR NEWSWIRE
NEW YORK, Feb. 5 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Continental Airlines (NYSE: CAL) today announced that it has selected a new regional airline partner and a new type of turboprop aircraft to operate as Continental Connection from its New York hub at Newark Liberty International Airport.

Colgan Air Inc., a subsidiary of Pinnacle Airlines Corp., will operate efficient, quiet and comfortable 74-seat Bombardier Q400 twin-turboprop aircraft on short and medium-distance routes from Liberty starting in early 2008.

"Pinnacle Airlines Corp. and its subsidiary Colgan have the high standards that we expect from our Continental Connection service," said Mark Erwin, Continental's senior vice president of corporate development. "Our selection of the Q400 aircraft is an important move for us because it addresses our need for efficiency without sacrificing our customers' comfort, and because it is well-suited to the unique operating environment at Newark Liberty."

Continental has entered into a 10-year capacity-purchase agreement with Pinnacle Airlines Corp. The company will acquire 15 new Q400 aircraft which it will operate as Continental Connection through its Colgan subsidiary. Continental will schedule and market the service.

The Q400 Aircraft

Manufactured by Bombardier Aerospace, the Q400 is a high-efficiency, modern-technology turboprop, which will be configured with 74 seats in a single cabin. With a maximum cruise speed of 440 mph, the Q400 can keep pace with traffic flows into and out of busy metropolitan airports like Newark Liberty. Passenger comfort will be enhanced by the Q400's state-of-the-art noise and vibration suppression system.

Pinnacle Airlines

Pinnacle Airlines Corp., a publicly traded holding company, is the parent company of Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. and Colgan Air, Inc. Pinnacle Airlines, Inc. operates 135 Bombardier CRJ-200 Regional Jets in the United States and Canada as a Northwest Airlink carrier. Colgan Air, Inc. operates as Continental Connection, United Express and US Airways Express with a fleet of 39 Saab 340 and 11 Beech 1900 turbo-prop regional aircraft.

Continental Airlines

Continental Airlines is the world's fifth largest airline. Continental, together with Continental Express and Continental Connection, has more than 3,100 daily departures throughout the Americas, Europe and Asia, serving 150 domestic and 136 international destinations. More than 400 additional points are served via SkyTeam alliance airlines. With more than 44,000 employees, Continental has hubs serving New York, Houston, Cleveland and Guam, and together with Continental Express, carries approximately 67 million passengers per year. Continental consistently earns awards and critical acclaim for both its operation and its corporate culture.

In 2006, Continental Airlines won its sixth J.D. Power and Associates award since 1996. The carrier received the highest rank in customer satisfaction among network carriers in North America in the J.D. Power and Associates 2006 Airline Satisfaction Index Survey(SM). For the third consecutive year, FORTUNE magazine named Continental the No. 1 Most Admired Global Airline on its 2006 list of Most Admired Global Companies. Continental was also named the No. 1 airline on the publication's 2006 America's Most Admired airline industry list. Additionally, Continental again won major awards at the OAG Airline of the Year Awards including "Best Airline Based in North America" for the third year in a row, and "Best Executive/Business Class" for the fourth consecutive year. For more company information, visit continental.com .

SOURCE Continental Airlines


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02/05/2007 09:00 ET


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User currently offlineThepilot From Canada, joined Jan 2010, 5 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10185 times:

Cool. The Q400 has really been making some noise around the North American Airlines. These are horribly comfortable birds, I have flown on them with QX a few times. Great news for both CO and Pinnacle.


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User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10172 times:

I hope we see some in CLE, they are very cool looking!


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21503 posts, RR: 60
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10163 times:

At 74 seat capacity and medium range, one would think CO would put in an F section, but I assume they will just continue to expand their Y only product like they have with long range ERJ flights and annoy more Platinum Elites...  Wink


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User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10090 times:

Are these aircraft able to utilize jetways?..or do they have to use portable stairs?


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User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 10085 times:

I cant wait to see Q400's in CO's livery. They have to better to fly on than ERJ's! Now, if we could just have some E170's please, with a first class cabin!

User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1130 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9943 times:

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 5):
I cant wait to see Q400's in CO's livery. They have to better to fly on than ERJ's! Now, if we could just have some E170's please, with a first class

Just not as fast as an ERJ



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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9843 times:
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Quoting CLE757 (Reply 6):
Just not as fast as an ERJ

On routes under 500 nm, Q400 block time point-to-point is just as fast as ERJ, maybe faster. That's one of the main selling points; just as fast as the jets, but at half the fuel burn. I think you'll see more Q400 sales (and ATRs) as airlines embrace the cost-savings. And if their marketing departments are smart, they'll promote them as "global warming" fighters.



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16857 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9725 times:

I can see from EWR Q-400s to:

Albany, Baltimore, Hartford, Providence, Philadelphia, Washington Dulles, Syracuse.

With the return of props to EWR hopefully they will bring back Summer flights to Martha's Vineyard, they still offer Nantucket flights with ERJs during the Summer.

Other former COEX prop routes I would like to see brought back:

Atlantic City, Islip, Harrisburg.



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User currently onlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3100 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 9572 times:

Courtesy: Houston Business Journal

Continental Chooses Colgan Air To Fly EWR Regional Routes

http://biz.yahoo.com/bizj/070205/1413131.html?.v=2


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5501 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9508 times:

Quoting Arrow (Reply 7):
. And if their marketing departments are smart, they'll promote them as "global warming" fighters.

If they're smart, they won't. "We operate 500 aircraft,and 15 of them are good for the environment. The other 485 are busy melting glaciers."

At least that would be the inference.  Smile

-Dave



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User currently offlineLASOctoberB6 From Japan, joined Nov 2006, 2380 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9463 times:

wouldnt they have the same problems (operating wise) as American Eagle did with their ATRs?


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User currently offlinePdxcof9 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9422 times:

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 4):
Are these aircraft able to utilize jetways?..or do they have to use portable stairs?

The Dash-4's and Dash-8's can use a modified jetbridge. The CRJ's have fold out stairs and they use jetbridges. QX only has 4 jetbridges in PDX which they share with AS, so they board most of their planes on the ramp using the stairs.



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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9405 times:
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Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 10):
If they're smart, they won't. "We operate 500 aircraft,and 15 of them are good for the environment. The other 485 are busy melting glaciers."

Good point. But hey, you gotta start somewhere.



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User currently offlineFalcon84 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 9387 times:

Quoting CLE757 (Reply 2):
I hope we see some in CLE, they are very cool looking!

A good bet, I would think. We have lots of markets that could use that much capacity: BDL, PVD, ALB, STL, MCI, ATL, ORD. Would be perfect for those routes.


User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3939 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9349 times:
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cna these birds handle live animals??


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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9318 times:
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Quoting CALMSP (Reply 15):
cna these birds handle live animals??

OK, I'll bite. What did you have in mind? Airborne cattle car? 50,000 chickens in cages? Or fido/mittens in a box?



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3939 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9269 times:
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no no............such as live animals in the cargo hold. we dont carry live animals on the RJ, but since the SF3 has beenflying out of IAH lately we have been carrying additional animals out of cities that used to only have RJ service. this is a small increase in revenue that may be possible if we can carry these animals on these birds.


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User currently offlinePhllax From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 9223 times:

Quoting Arrow (Reply 7):
Quoting CLE757 (Reply 6):
Just not as fast as an ERJ

On routes under 500 nm, Q400 block time point-to-point is just as fast as ERJ, maybe faster. That's one of the main selling points; just as fast as the jets, but at half the fuel burn. I think you'll see more Q400 sales (and ATRs) as airlines embrace the cost-savings. And if their marketing departments are smart, they'll promote them as "global warming" fighters.

Horizon actually pitted a CRJ-700 vs a Q400 on the PDX-SEA run one day. The Dash beat the CRJ by about 5 minutes.


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4447 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8570 times:

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 11):
wouldnt they have the same problems (operating wise) as American Eagle did with their ATRs?

Nah - CO used to fly dozens of ATR flights each day out of EWR to points north in the winter back in the 1990s and didn't lose a single plane. And some of those markets get pretty nasty in the winter (i.e. SYR).


User currently offlineLostturttle From Bermuda, joined Dec 2006, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8327 times:

Quoting STT757 (Reply 8):
I can see from EWR Q-400s to:

Albany, Baltimore, Hartford, Providence, Philadelphia, Washington Dulles, Syracuse.

With the return of props to EWR hopefully they will bring back Summer flights to Martha's Vineyard, they still offer Nantucket flights with ERJs during the Summer.

I for one will be glad to see them flying EWR - PVD, hopefully with an increase in frequency. Now if only Air Canada (Air Georgian, or hopefully JAZZ) could get something a little bigger than a Beech 1900 on the YYZ - PVD flight............


User currently offlineL1011buff From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8251 times:

Was wondering, if these turboprops are so great and efficient, why don't more airlines use them?

User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5172 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8183 times:

Quoting L1011buff (Reply 21):
why don't more airlines use them?

Public perception...



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User currently offlineZschocheImages From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8070 times:

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 11):
wouldnt they have the same problems (operating wise) as American Eagle did with their ATRs?

No, NW Airlink used to fly Dash 8-100's out of MSP. CX flys them in the Pacific Northwest. I also once flew a Dash from Anchorage to Valdez. It shouldn't be a problem.



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User currently offlineKevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7969 times:

Quoting ZschocheImages (Reply 23):
CX flys them

Who did you mean? CX is Cathay Pacific.

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 11):
wouldnt they have the same problems (operating wise) as American Eagle did with their ATRs?

What were those? I am unaware. Guessing by

Quoting ZschocheImages (Reply 23):
No, NW Airlink used to fly Dash 8-100's out of MSP. CX flys them in the Pacific Northwest.

it was cold weather ops?


25 ZschocheImages : My bad, QX. Yeah, I can't remember for sure but I think it had to do with icing problems. That's why they moved all of them to Carib Ops.
26 Post contains links AeroWesty : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Eagle_Flight_4184
27 Post contains images KevinSmith : That's right!!! Yeah de-icing boot on the leading edges sucked.
28 Floridaflyboy : The DH4 is definitely jetway compatible. It works similarly to using the CRJ with a jetway. Occasionally, QX uses the jetway at BIL to board the Q400
29 Arrow : The ATR de-icing issue was fixed. I don't think the Dash 8s ever had the same problem. A plane designed and built in Canada should be able to handle
30 COIAH756CA : I have said in the past, and finally it is announced. The Q400 will look fantasic in CO scheme.
31 Ikramerica : Well, the models are relatively new, and airlines are adding them all over the place as the RJs get old. Airlines invested a lot in RJs, and when fue
32 QXRamperMEII : They handle live animals in both the forward and aft pits just fine...we send pets in them with no problem As far as I know they work fine with jetbr
33 Ikramerica : What are the common issues that keep popping up? Would newer build Q400s suffer those same problems?
34 Danny : That was related only to early built aircraft. ATRs operate successfully year-round in Finland so there is no way they would have any problems in US.
35 Yhz78 : The Dashes had their design based on DeHavilland's Twin Otter which was designed with flying in Canada's northernmost settlements as a requirement. T
36 Art at ISP : I would hope this might see the return of the ISP-EWR shuttle which was run a few years back using the ATR. If that were to happen it would be the end
37 KcrwFlyer : That just seems like a waste of a Q400.
38 STT757 : Bringing back flights from EWR to Islip, Atlantic City and Harrisburg brings more business oppurtunities to EWR for folks who would otherwise drive to
39 KcrwFlyer : Yes, but as backed up as EWR already is and will continue to be do we need flights from New York itself to make it worse? A few flights per day to ge
40 Art at ISP : By shuttle I was referring to the short range of the flight. United does it between Orange County and LAX-35 miles, which is the approximate distance
41 PVD757 : I'm going to get on record now as guessing what cities will see EWR DH4 service: PVD, BDL, ALB, SYR, PHL, IAD, BWI, MDT, MHT, BTV, and maybe ROC & BUF
42 Post contains links and images Tjwgrr : Is there room for the Q400 at the C2 RJ gates in EWR? An ERJ-145XR has a wingspan of 68'-11" (21 m) and the Q400 has a wingspan of 93'-3" (28.42 m) Fr
43 DAYflyer : Nice to see the return of the turboprop to CO! I hope to see them here in DAY. The used to fly the EMB120 here, and I miss it.
44 MasseyBrown : In CO's case, the 70+ passenger Q400 is also a way around the pilots' scope clause, which prohibits flying pure jets of that size (like the E170) exc
45 PVD757 : I can see the DH4's parking at the end of the C2 (lower level) gates. It looks like they should be able to park 6-7 of them arond the end.
46 777gk : Last I heard, some gates on C-2 were due to be put back in their original configuration to accommodate additional larger jets as we scale back ERJ ope
47 St530 : I'm perplexed at all these excited comments about the return of turboprops. It was just a few years ago that CO was trumpeting its new "all-jet" fleet
48 Tommy767 : ahh yes the early 90s at EWR with CO ATRs. How could I forget! I remember taking a meatball schemed one in 1993 from BTV-EWR during a snowstorm. Now
49 Rampkontroler : Rode one, you've rode em all eh? I agree...a lot like sex...once you've had one high wing turboprop why bother with the rest? (Just ribbing you...I h
50 LASOctoberB6 : so then what was the problem, and why did AMEX move the ATRs to San Juan and Nassau and such?
51 DeltAirlines : I'd expect to see them up here in MHT...probably will replace the 3 ERJs to EWR with the Dashes...much more economical on this ride. I'd expect probab
52 PSU.DTW.SCE : Much of that all-jet hype in the late -90's was pure marketing. That was also back in the big, fat, bloated, cost structure days, when everyone could
53 Tjwgrr : ATR's are better suited for short, hot, and heavy ops than RJ's are.
54 Tsnamm : ACY and MDT from EWR, But I'd really love to see CoEx back at ISP to CLE, or better yet IAH...ISP/EWR is a little overkill IMO...
55 KaiGywer : Not to mention WF, that flies all three series of the Dash-8 in Norway. Way farther north than anywhere else (pretty much).
56 KSUpilot : I wonder if we will see CLE-EWR...however that is covered by the 737 right now with the mainline.
57 NorthStarDC4M : The Dash 8 flies all over Canada with no problems. It certainly flies in some of the worst icing regions around in Eastern Canada, and often in -40* w
58 MEA-707 : What was exactly the problem with the ATR? If the seat was tight, that's the choice of the airline. If it was bumpy, it can be coincidence that you g
59 Floridaflyboy : Wow! Continental has run some short ones. I remember when they flew across town in Houston from Ellington Field to IAH.
60 Ikramerica : When I flew EWR-MHT they were running a 735 on one of the frequencies, so if we are talking 110 seats on one flight and 50 on 2 others, that was 210
61 Birdbrainz : I've ridden on them when traveling with Horizon Air, and while I adore them from an aviation buff standpoint, I found the active noise cancellation u
62 Post contains links and images BoomBoom : Quoting St530 (Reply 53): I say this never having flown (I don't think) a Q400, but I can't imagine the experience is that much better than the ATR-42
63 Lemurs : It's not a miracle cure, but it's still noticable. The inside of the Q400's have a droning character instead of a whining one, but it's quiet enough t
64 CALMSP : can these birds handle standard roller bags in the overhead bins??
65 LASOctoberB6 : they better NOT send that prop plane to SYR. i feel alot safer in a plane with engines as opposed to one with turboprops.......
66 Falcon84 : You won't. The CAL pilot's contract states that only CAL can fly nonstop between the hubs. In fact, even same-plane service, with the same flight num
67 Post contains images Stirling : I prefer aircraft with engines as well.......
68 Multimark : That's irrational and not born out by facts.
69 Teneriffe77 : I for one hope they do send that to SYR as long as the frequency's are maintainde and/or increased because then it would mean a capacity increase (74
70 Tjwgrr : Fan jet - turbine engine with shaft spinning fan blades inside a cowling. Turboprop - turbine engine with shaft spinning fan blades (propeller) on th
71 YOW : Porter uses their Q400s on bridges at YOW and YUL. Only certain bridges at these airports are equipped to handle them. Props are making a comeback. T
72 PVD757 : thats what I'm hoping for. PVD has 1 735 and 4 ER4's. I'd be happy to see the 4 ER4's become DH4's as it will yield 96 more seats or the equivelent o
73 STT757 : CO will most likely match a Q-400 with a connecting Trans-Atlantic bank of flights, for instance say a COEX route from EWR to Syracuse currently has 4
74 CLE757 : The flights are too full for a prop anyway.
75 Tangowhisky : You need to qualify that statement: Over 11 years since it was launched, the Q400 has now booked over 200 firm orders. Even with potential large orde
76 Post contains images YOW : Alright I will...and don't you mean quantify. Compared to 10 years ago the number of turboprop orders has returned to a noticeable level. 10 years ag
77 Marksixel : Any chance new routes will be opened with the new aircraft, or are they 1 for 1 exchanges with existing aircraft at EWR? EWR-SBN would be nice.
78 Rjnut : OK now I am curious about a supposed AM Eagle deal in the works for the Q400..would that be to go to the Carribean or somewhere in the mainland?? If F
79 Tangowhisky : Bombardier and ATR must be courting AMR Eagle as the carrier is maxed out on RJs of 70 seats due to scope limits.
80 COERJ145 : Props ARE JET engines, just that the air intake is via prop, which is as fast and more fuel efficient than an ERJ. Props are just as safe as jets.
81 N1120A : They use jetways Faster on many routes. Comparable even up to about 800nm That was 1 flight and that was fixed a long time ago. Every airline has mar
82 St530 : Probably taken about 20 or so flights on ATR-42s, mostly EWR-ITH (when CO still flew that route) and EWR-SYR. Very noisy and lots of jerking motions,
83 Tangowhisky : You are comparing a 70 seat aircraft's CASM to one of 50 seats? I am sure you meant a Q400 versus a CRJ700. Even with the later, your argument is goo
84 N1120A : The CASM of the Q400 is not only better than that of the CR7, the trip costs are lower than those of the CR2 and E145, despite carrying 24 more seats
85 KcrwFlyer : I didnt mean New York state, I meant the NYC area.
86 Tangowhisky : First of all, other than a prop is not certified to fly at 35,000 feet, it can't even get there. A prop loses its "bite" to thrust air as it gets hig
87 Post contains links Tjwgrr : Hmm.... Check out the flight log from N5RF, a King Air 350 back on 06-Dec-2006: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N.../20061206/1415Z/KLGB/KMLI/trac
88 FlyHoss : The service ceiling for the Tupolev TU 95 is 12,000 meters, about 39,000 feet.
89 PSU.DTW.SCE : Skywest is profitable because they are paid by the mainline carriers. They don't set airfare, they are paid per departure/available seat mile by the
90 N1120A : Still, ISP-EWR is a long enough drive that the positives would outweigh the negatives. 4-8x per day might make sense. Again, you have the fact that t
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