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US Airways To Order 733/734 Replacement  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11638 times:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...airways-lines-up-narrowbodies.html

No exact time frame when the order will announce. US Airways have 96 737-300/-400s in service.

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User currently offlineTravelin man From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3504 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11612 times:

I'd be absolutely shocked if Airbus didn't win this one. How many A319/320/321s do US/HP currently operate?

User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11567 times:

They will however threaten to go boeing, to get a good price. I can actually see either airbus or boeing winning this one.


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User currently offlineCLE757 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 1137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11541 times:

737-800/900's would look good in US colors!


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User currently offlineLHboyatDTW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 11546 times:

same, I'm not placing any bets on the table, but I think it's safe to assume that they'd order Airbus as to how they already have several A32Xs along with the A330s.

Though it's about time that they're getting replaced. They look like they lived through the apocalypse. Perhaps I should say this once the inevitable day of NW officially retiring their DC-9s occurs.  duck 


User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11499 times:

Maybe they get a good deal from Airbus because of the A350 delay.


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31001 posts, RR: 86
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11475 times:
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I would have to believe this order will go to Airbus for the A320 family, though I am sure US will shop Boeing just to secure the best price they can from Airbus.

User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1398 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11478 times:

Quoting Flyorski (Reply 2):
I can actually see either airbus or boeing winning this one.

Well, don't go too far out on a limb there, Nostradamus.  Wink

-Mike



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User currently offlineEGBJ From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 498 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11459 times:

This one could swing either way. Both manufacturers will be pulling out all the stops to win the order, but I feel Boeing are in a better financial position at the moment and will thus be able to offer a more attractive deal. Airbus on the other hand have the natural advantage given US's previous commitments to Airbus products.

 Smile


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11408 times:

Quoting EGBJ (Reply 8):
Both manufacturers will be pulling out all the stops to win the order, but I feel Boeing are in a better financial position at the moment and will thus be able to offer a more attractive deal.

Heh, it doesn't work that way.

NS


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 44
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11382 times:

I expect this order to go to Airbus for a number of reasons:

1) Price
2) Commonality with existing fleet
3) Boeing's recent support of DL vs. LCC plan?

[Edited 2007-02-05 19:46:14]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31001 posts, RR: 86
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11353 times:
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Quoting EGBJ (Reply 8):
Both manufacturers will be pulling out all the stops to win the order, but I feel Boeing are in a better financial position at the moment and will thus be able to offer a more attractive deal.

Remember that US signed the first "gentleman's agreement" with a manufacturer when they signed one with Airbus for the A320 family. So it is quite possible that US will be getting favorable rates on the A320 from that deal (though obviously cost increases have been factored in since that agreement was first signed) that Boeing may not wish to match if they can get a better price from other carriers.


User currently offlineCa2ohhp From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11353 times:

Hate to say it, but this is really, really old news. The cheapest bid will win. Airbus may provide further incentives if US sticks with the 350XWB.

User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2193 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11260 times:

What is US Airway's rush? The 733 and 734 are perfectly fine airplanes (although I'm sure the US 733/734 fleet is in dire need of updating of its interiors). Can't they wait until 737RS/A320NG are defined?

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11247 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
Remember that US signed the first "gentleman's agreement" with a manufacturer when they signed one with Airbus for the A320 family.

That wasn't a gentleman's agreement. That was an actual purchase agreement for 400+ frames including options.

A lot of those options have expired, sadly.

NS


User currently offlineSocalfive From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11225 times:

Quoting Ca2ohhp (Reply 12):
Hate to say it, but this is really, really old news. The cheapest bid will win. Airbus may provide further incentives if US sticks with the 350XWB.

Yeah we were just discussing this last week.

US Replacement Order For 737 (by Cltguy Jan 31 2007 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11171 times:

Quoting Ca2ohhp (Reply 12):
The cheapest bid will win.

I think that summarizes it.

With close to 100 planes up for replacement, US can order any type without having to think about fleet commonality, although it would obviously make give it a very lean fleet if they were to stick with the A32X family.

I wonder though if they are actually going to order all these planes at once.
I'd say an order for 40, with options for another 40 might be more plausible, topped up with 20 or so leases.


User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 781 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11171 times:

US Replacement Order For 737 (by Cltguy Jan 31 2007 in Civil Aviation)

This topic is already in the forum... bigthumbsup 



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11090 times:

Id love to see some 738's in the fleet. That would be nice to see in the new US livery.


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User currently offlineTimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1336 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11030 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 10):
2) Commonality with existing fleet

With so many a/c, is fleet comonality such a big issue?

Quoting AKelley728 (Reply 13):
Can't they wait until 737RS/A320NG are defined?

The article states that they may well do that - short term leases of current a/c to replace the 733/4 then buy the new replacement a/c when they are out.


User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10888 times:
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Quoting Timboflier215 (Reply 19):
With so many a/c, is fleet comonality such a big issue?

I suppose not, but I think US Airways could even further maximize their profits by streamlining as much as possible. Airbus will give US Airways a very competitive rate-- there is a lot at stake. If US Airways sticks with the A32x family, they can focus on simpler maintenence structures, pilot training, etc. I'm not saying US Airways can't pull a profit with both types-- they are now-- what I am saying is that US Airways maybe can pull GREATER profits by sticking with Airbus. Not to mention it'd make for an even easier HP/US fleet merger.

JBLU


User currently offlineHB88 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 816 posts, RR: 31
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 10765 times:

Quoting Mikey711MN (Reply 7):
Quoting Flyorski (Reply 2):
"I can actually see either airbus or boeing winning this one."

Well, don't go too far out on a limb there, Nostradamus.

-Mike

That's the first time I've laughed at anything on a.net for about 4-5 mo.

Excellent.  Silly


User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 776 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 10530 times:

US could get a sweetheart deal from Bombardier as a launch customer for the C-series? I highly doubt the probability but if I ran Bombardier I'd be knocking on the door in Phoenix!

Any thoughts?



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User currently offlineOphila From St. Kitts and Nevis, joined May 2006, 110 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10430 times:

Performance Range @ Max. Pax
C110 STD (110 passengers) 1800 nm 3335 km
C110 ER (110 passengers) 3000 nm 5560 km
Speed Mach kt mph km/h
Max Cruise Speed 0.82 470 541 870
Normal Cruise Speed 0.78 447 514 828
Altitudes ft m
Maximum Operating Altitude 41,000 ft 12,496 m


[edit] Preliminary Data

[edit] C-110
Configuration 110 Passengers Seated @ 32" Pitch
Three Flight Attendants

Cabin Windows Large 11" X 16" Positioned High

Passenger Seats 18.5" Wide Economy Class Seats (19.5" Mid Seat)
20.0" Wide Business Class Seats
Slim Profile Design
Large Under-seat Stowage Area

Cargo Compartments Usable 830 ft³
7.6 ft³/pax
39.5" Height

Total Seats 110 Seats single class
99 Seats Dual Class



[edit] C-130
Configuration 130 Passengers Seated @ 32" Pitch
Three Flight Attendants

Cargo Compartments Usable 1058 ft³
8.1 ft³/pax
39.5" Height


Quoting DeltaDAWG (Reply 22):
if I ran Bombardier I'd be knocking on the door in Phoenix!


User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 10333 times:
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There must be thousands of pilots and FAs that are type rated on the B737s, so if US choose B737NG the crews will only need a NG type update instead of a full course to become type rated on the A320 Family...? Would be a lot cheaper, no?

Does US really need to have aircraft with such small capacity gaps, as in 99, 124, 150, 168, 186 seats? How about just 99-seat E190, 150-seat A320/B738 and 194-seat A321/B739ER?



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25 Reggaebird : There is no doubt that US will go with more A320-family aircraft. Remember that US became a dyed-in-the-wool Airbus client after being disrespected by
26 PlanesNTrains : USAirways IS America West. Thus, the history issue seems to be irrelevant. I agree with those above: A32X seems likely, but Boeing has a shot. While
27 Whappeh : I really don't see that apathy between Boeing and the new US management.
28 Ca2ohHP : There isn't. For some reason some on a.net think Doug Parker is in seventh grade and would pass up a better deal because Boeing didn't play ball with
29 FCYTravis : The C-series is not a suitable replacement aircraft for the Boeing 737-300/400 series. Besides, US already is purchasing aircraft of that size - from
30 Mah584jr : This order should swing into Airbus's favor due to pricing, fleet commonality and available slots. The slots for the 737 are pretty full from what I'v
31 Etops1 : the company is leaning towards best price. period . i e-mailed scott kirby about it and that's the answer he gave me.
32 Gigneil : And as you've also read when making a similar post, the A320's backlog is longer. NS
33 Vega : Parker would surely be considered having a 7th grade mentality if he ordered the 739ER solely on the basis of using them for low yield Hawaii traffic
34 BrianDromey : Excellent point. There was also a point about the HP fleet to Hawaii...if they just tarted them up with new cabins and a D-check they would be fine,
35 Post contains links ANCFlyer : Sorry folks, the thread below is still open, and is the same subject. Continue there please, this thread is locked as it is in fact a duplicate. I won
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