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"Pan Am" To Start HVN Service  
User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 428 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 5885 times:

Pan Am Clipper Connection will begin service to New Haven from BWI, Bedford, MA, Elmira, NY, Portsmouth, NH on March 8, with their 19 passenger J31's.

http://www.nhregister.com/site/news....=1281&PAG=461&dept_id=590581&rfi=6

They'll be flying only Monday-Friday, with 3x M-F service to BWI, 1x BED, 1x PSM, and 3x ELM.

Any bets on how long the service will last?

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User currently offlineADXMatt From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 950 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 5882 times:

It'll last until the subsidies run out.

I'm assuming that New Haven coughed up some sort of incentives for a new entrant.

USAirways Express is the only game in town IIRC


User currently offlineTurpentyine From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 154 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 5629 times:

How is that airline doing overall? Whats it like flying on them? It probably the only US airline that still operates 727s for regular scheduled services.

User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1096 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5212 times:

What kind of market is there from Elmira to New Haven?


Interesting also that New Haven doesn't show up on the route map on their web site, but you can book it in their reservation system.


User currently offlineHVNandrew From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5158 times:

Quoting Spinkid (Reply 3):
Interesting also that New Haven doesn't show up on the route map on their web site, but you can book it in their reservation system.

It was on the route map on Monday and Tuesday. It seems it's been taken off. :s

[Edited 2007-02-08 03:11:26]

User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26370 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 5019 times:

Quoting HVNandrew (Thread starter):
Any bets on how long the service will last?

Long enough for Guildford to further screw up the Pan Am name.

Quoting Turpentyine (Reply 2):
It probably the only US airline that still operates 727s for regular scheduled services.

I don't think Faux-Am even runs scheduled 727 service at this point, only charter.



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2427 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4973 times:
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I see there is ONE 727 flight Elmira to Sanford on Feb 19, but no return and that is the only flight listed.


"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
User currently offlineFlyAAS80 From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4943 times:

I saw one of the pseudo Pan Am 727's on short final into ORD last week. Made me take a double and then a triple take to see the Pan Am colors here again.

The question I have is how large is their fleet???



The only way to fly is by the seat of your pants...
User currently offlineTsnamm From United States of America, joined May 2005, 628 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 4814 times:

How on earth do they manage to stay in business? Let alone making a mockery of the PAN AM moniker...

User currently offlinePanAmOldDC8 From Barbados, joined Dec 2006, 960 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4729 times:

Quoting HVNandrew (Thread starter):
Pan Am Clipper Connection will begin service to New Haven from BWI, Bedford, MA, Elmira, NY, Portsmouth, NH on March 8, with their 19 passenger J31's.

Hope they don't screw up the name, I worked for them and was damned proud of it



Barbados, CWC soon, can't wait
User currently offlineMush From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4724 times:

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 9):
Hope they don't screw up the name, I worked for them and was damned proud of it

I hope they don't screw up the name anymore than they already have.

The new Pan Am is nothing like her glorious predecessor.

thanks,
mush



Sprung from cages out on highway 9
User currently offlineAA623BDLSJU From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 354 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4440 times:

I haven't been to A.net in quite some time now and the first thing I went to search was for any news regarding HVN and I stumbled upon this tastey vittle. I was quite skeptical about this news until I went to the airport website, http://www.flytweed.com, and see for myself. I am actually a bit surprised that PA Clipper Connection wants to commence service out of my hometown. I can see the sense in having the service HVN-BWI and HVN-BED, but I don't see the reason to have a HVN-ELM. Surely, Pan Am has there reasons to begin this market and perhaps they feel they should have a test run.

I kinda miss having DL for that matter, for I thought they were doing well. Maybe, if the service to BWI is successful it may bring in interest from WN.


User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2660 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 4377 times:

Quoting HVNandrew (Thread starter):
"Pan Am" To Start HVN Service

sorry to hear that!!



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26370 posts, RR: 76
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4318 times:

Quoting Tsnamm (Reply 8):
How on earth do they manage to stay in business?

They are backed by a small but extremely profitable rail company, not to mention charter contracts.

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 9):
Hope they don't screw up the name, I worked for them and was damned proud of it

They screwed up that name the moment they bought it.



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineDeltaRules From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3727 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4179 times:

Are they even running the 727s on scheduled flights anymore?

Quoting Turpentyine (Reply 2):
Whats it like flying on them?

Actually, the service was good. For what turned out to be such a shoddy operation, they did try hard on their in-flight service. Here's the trip report from my LCK-SFB-LCK trip a couple summers ago, including photos. http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/60423

DeltaRules



Let's Kick the Tires & Light the Fires!!
User currently offlineSpinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1096 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3962 times:

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 14):
Are they even running the 727s on scheduled flights anymore?

The ELM-SFB run is on a 727


User currently offlineINTENSS From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3905 times:

Quoting Spinkid (Reply 15):
The ELM-SFB run is on a 727

Try booking that routing....


-Rich


User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3861 times:

Has this new "Pan Am" something to do with the old one?

User currently offlineSwissy From Switzerland, joined Jan 2005, 1734 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3757 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 17):
Has this new "Pan Am" something to do with the old one?

Not at all....  pray  , however how about "we" the crazy a.neters put some bling bling in a "rescue to glory Pan Am" pot and we make the new "Pan AM" an offer........ I know it is a  crazy  idea........

Cheers,


User currently offlineBatonOps From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 746 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 3650 times:

I just checked www.flypanam.com and they don't show anything about serving HVN. I know when they announced ELM service it was on their route map immediatley.

They must work those J-31's pretty hard.

Has anyone flown them lately?


User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2331 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 3613 times:

Quoting FlyAAS80 (Reply 7):
I saw one of the pseudo Pan Am 727's on short final into ORD last week.

Wow, I didn't know PA was operating out of ORD. Was it a charter? If it's scheduled service, where to?

Quoting Mush (Reply 10):
The new Pan Am is nothing like her glorious predecessor.

Ain't it the truth.

Quoting PanAmOldDC8 (Reply 9):
Hope they don't screw up the name, I worked for them and was damned proud of it

I think even casual travelers who flew back in the old Pan Am's glory days know the new incarnation is fake. Isn't this the 2nd Pan Am rip-off since the original ceased operations in '91? I remember another reincarnation of the name in the late '90s with a couple of old A300's.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 13):
They screwed up that name the moment they bought it.

It is what it is. But even still, the service can't be worse than any other legacy carrier nowadays. I for one am just happy someone is still flying 727's.



There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.
User currently offlineINTENSS From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3523 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 20):
Wow, I didn't know PA was operating out of ORD. Was it a charter? If it's scheduled service, where to?

Charter.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 20):
It is what it is. But even still, the service can't be worse than any other legacy carrier nowadays.

Their service is/was better than other legacy carriers today.

Quoting BatonOps (Reply 19):
Has anyone flown them lately?

Flew them about a year ago SFB-ATL. Very good service, arrived on time, plane was absolutely full.....though mostly with Vacation Express' chump fares.

-Rich


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26370 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3517 times:

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 20):
But even still, the service can't be worse than any other legacy carrier nowadays.

It isn't about the inflight service, it is about what a sh!t show the whole operation is.

Quoting TrijetsRMissed (Reply 20):
I for one am just happy someone is still flying 727's.

Never liked the 727, though I do like the way the MD-11-esque winglets look on them.



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineTrijetsRMissed From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 2331 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3483 times:

Quoting INTENSS (Reply 21):
Charter.

Too bad. Are any flights scheduled service?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
it is about what a sh!t show the whole operation is.

Like I said, it is what it is..

Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
Never liked the 727, though I do like the way the MD-11-esque winglets look on them.

To each their own. I am very fond of classic airliners, and obviously the three-holers.



There's nothing quite like a tri-jet.
User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 3366 times:

Quoting AA623BDLSJU (Reply 11):
Maybe, if the service to BWI is successful it may bring in interest from WN.

Don't bet the mortgage on it. There's probably no situation in which WN would come to HVN.

Quoting ADXMatt (Reply 1):
It'll last until the subsidies run out.

Exactly. Same reason DL came and went.


25 Richierich : I agree. Despite the city of New Haven having a decent population, especially considering the immediate shoreline towns to the east and west, and, of
26 Positiverate : Spot on observations. The City has doen NOTHING to support air service to its airport.
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