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A. Talks With 2 Possible A380 Buyers In India  
User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8573 times:

Apparently Airbus is in pretliminary talks with two possible A380 buyers in India.
There's no further information.

Kingfisher has already placed an order for A380s. Of the remaining Indian carriers who could possible use the A380 best? Jet Airways and Air India?

If it were a private customer, could one or two of the many diamond biljonairs be the potential customer? Are there any large (widebody) private jets owned by Indians?

http://www.sharewatch.com/story.php?storynumber=317744


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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8548 times:

Quote:
BANGALORE, India (Dow Jones)--Aircraft-maker Airbus is in talks with two Indian airline companies over possible purchases of its jumbo A380 aircraft, Airbus Executive Vice President Kiran Rao said Tuesday.

"The talks are at a preliminary stage," Rao said at a press conference on the sidelines of an air-show in this southern Indian city.

He didn't specify which airlines Airbus is talking to, nor the numbers of aircraft under discussion.

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20070206-706264.html (Subscription)


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8535 times:

Thank you Leelaw. The article you posted talks about Indian airline companies, I assume that excludes private customers.


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User currently offlineEGBJ From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 498 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8523 times:

Quoting Manni (Thread starter):
Jet Airways and Air India?

I think they are the best bet^^. With the huge forecast growth of air travel in India, both of these carriers will need some VLA's at some point or other.


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3069 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8385 times:

Quoting Manni (Thread starter):
If it were a private customer, could one or two of the many diamond biljonairs be the potential customer? Are there any large (widebody) private jets owned by Indians?

Very unlikely that any Indian millionaires / billionares (and there are plenty of them now) would buy an A380....to the best of my knowledge, there are no private widebodies in India today.....

Most likely, it would be 9W or AI....although I would prefer to see the 748i in the AI fleet..... smile 


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8162 times:

Quoting Manni (Thread starter):
Jet Airways and Air India?

Of course, who else? Maybe Air Deccan or IndiGo fly them domestic at some time, but I don't see that happening too soon.


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3364 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8137 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 5):
Of course, who else? Maybe Air Deccan or IndiGo fly them domestic at some time, but I don't see that happening too soon.

True but when're slots actually available for this bird ?

All of 2007 1 plane
2008 9 planes
2009 25 planes (?)
and 2010 45 planes

are booked up so if they're very lucky they could get some planes in 4 year's time?


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8127 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 5):
Of course, who else?

Looking at the other Indian airline that already ordered the A380, it could be anyone. It could even be a completely new airline or one of the freighter start ups. Wasn't one of them going to fly fruit, vegetables and other perishables around?



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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2045 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8129 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 5):
Of course, who else? Maybe Air Deccan or IndiGo fly them domestic at some time, but I don't see that happening too soon.

I'd hate to see A380 with Air Deccan, as they don't assign seat and it would be quite a scene watching so many people scrambling over on another to grab best seats.

The likely customers are none other than 9W and AI.

rgds
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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29680 posts, RR: 84
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8116 times:
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As I understand it, AI does a very strong business on their JFK-LHR-DEL routing, so an A388 might find a home servicing that route.

User currently offlineColumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8105 times:

There was a documentation on ARTE (which is a Frensh/German TV station) about Air Deccan a few months ago. At the end of it they showed John Leahy and Captain G R Gopinath, the Managing Director of Air Deccan, who told Leahy that he thinks that the A380 is the perfect aircraft for Air Deccan. "It is the train of the skies", he said, "it will be able to carry more than 800 passengers and would be ideal for the Indian market ." Leahy of course loved the term "train of the skies" and said that Airbus should use it.


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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3364 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8062 times:

Quoting Columba (Reply 10):
There was a documentation on ARTE (which is a Frensh/German TV station) about Air Deccan a few months ago. At the end of it they showed John Leahy and Captain G R Gopinath, the Managing Director of Air Deccan, who told Leahy that he thinks that the A380 is the perfect aircraft for Air Deccan. "It is the train of the skies", he said, "it will be able to carry more than 800 passengers and would be ideal for the Indian market ." Leahy of course loved the term "train of the skies" and said that Airbus should use it.

But doesn't he then go on to order an A318 leading to JL turning to the camera and saying with a wry smile that he was trying to sell the largest plane the A built and ended up selling the smallest - but a sale's a sale!


User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8044 times:

I could see, Jet Airways and Air India ordering some A380s.

Especially with how Jet has been doing on their London routes.


However with this possibility of additional A380s coming to India, comes a problem.

Airport Infrastructure. Will any airports be able to accomodate for it?


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2045 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8044 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 11):
But doesn't he then go on to order an A318 leading to JL turning to the camera and saying with a wry smile that he was trying to sell the largest plane the A built and ended up selling the smallest - but a sale's a sale!

I don't think anybody in India has ordered A318. IC has ordered A319 and Air Deccan is all A320. Correct me if I am wrong.
rgds
VT-ASJ



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29680 posts, RR: 84
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8008 times:
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I continue to remain unconvinced on how well an A388 would be on domestic Indian or Chinese service. I understand the benefit of being able to pack 850 people into a single plane, but what impact will that volume have on airport infrastructure?

Sure, all you need is a runway long enough and a piece of tarmac large enough to allow the A380 to operate, but you still need to queue 850 people at check-in and/or boarding and get them to and from the plane which is going to result in very long turn times at airports not optimized to service the plane.

Three 787-3s have an OEW within about 10% of one A388 yet can carry more folks (300+), utilize the existing infrastructure at more airports and just plain operate out of more airports, period.

I believe Airbus would be far better served with a "domestic" model of the A330-300 or A350XWB-800. The 747 "domestic" was last century's answer to move large numbers of people by air short distances. By extension, so would an A380 "domestic". Boeing has launched this century's answer and now it is time for Airbus to do the same.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21416 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7970 times:

Quoting Manni (Thread starter):
Apparently Airbus is in pretliminary talks with two possible A380 buyers in India.

The other night I was in "preliminary talks" with multiple actress/models about having sex...  Smile

I don't understand why people care about A or B being in "preliminary talks" about anything, since all that means is A or B called up the airline and asked: "do you wanna buy some planes?"

Boeing has been in such "talks" with 15-20 airlines about the 747-8i. So far, it's not been a big seller.



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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6482 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7904 times:

Quoting Manni (Thread starter):
Apparently Airbus is in pretliminary talks with two possible A380 buyers in India.
There's no further information.

Kingfisher has already placed an order for A380s. Of the remaining Indian carriers who could possible use the A380 best? Jet Airways and Air India?

What if one of those airlines is, indeed Kingfisher? It could be compensation talks.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7861 times:

Quoting Manni (Thread starter):
Of the remaining Indian carriers who could possible use the A380 best? Jet Airways and Air India?

I wonder would air India want them for LHR, maybe US and Canadian routes aswell.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21416 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7805 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 17):
I wonder would air India want them for LHR, maybe US and Canadian routes aswell.

I remember when Air India had sleeping bunks on the 747s. Maybe the A380 will allow them to reinstate that product for long routes?



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7794 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):

I remember when Air India had sleeping bunks on the 747s. Maybe the A380 will allow them to reinstate that product for long routes?

Actual Stacked Bunks?


User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3069 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7766 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):
I remember when Air India had sleeping bunks on the 747s. Maybe the A380 will allow them to reinstate that product for long routes?

When was this...? Never heard of it....you have any info on that...? Please do share  smile 


User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4693 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7683 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 11):

But doesn't he then go on to order an A318 leading to JL turning to the camera and saying with a wry smile that he was trying to sell the largest plane the A built and ended up selling the smallest - but a sale's a sale!



Quoting Aseem (Reply 13):
I don't think anybody in India has ordered A318.

A single A318 doesn't make sense for an airline, unless it's meant to start a premium or all business class service. Are they established enough to have their own A318 Elite corporate jet?



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 29680 posts, RR: 84
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7587 times:
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Quoting EI321 (Reply 17):
I wonder would air India want them for LHR, maybe US and Canadian routes aswell.

That is my thought, as well. YVR/JFK-LHR-DEL/BOM.


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2868 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7523 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 11):
But doesn't he then go on to order an A318 leading to JL turning to the camera and saying with a wry smile that he was trying to sell the largest plane the A built and ended up selling the smallest - but a sale's a sale!

Actually that was to VJM of Kingfisher airline and he ended up seliing an A319CJ to him, remember at that time KF was an all economy airline, and Leahy said i went in trying to sell an 800 pax plane but ended up selling up an 8 pax one.

Quoting N328KF (Reply 16):
What if one of those airlines is, indeed Kingfisher? It could be compensation talks.

Actually there was a thread on this last year that they recieved 22 million USD in compensation.

Karan


User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7476 times:

Can we translate the term , "Airbus is in preliminary talks with two Indian airlines" , by both these Indian airlines have ruled out the 747-8I ?

In another way , if we speak about 9W and AI , have both these airlines made their choice in favor of the A380 ?

I remember to have read , 9W will make its choice between the A380 and the 747-8I this year.Will see.........


25 Aseem : Have heard that with regards to their B707s. Somebody will have to confirm though. rgds VT-ASJ
26 Ikramerica : Someone who actually flew them could shed some more light, but I saw the layout on a physical seatmap brochure, not the internet, as this was before
27 Post contains links and images Solnabo : Another A380 link: http://www.iht.com:80/articles/ap/20...6/business/AS-FIN-India-Airbus.php "Another 50 A380 at least over the next 20 years" Go Empr
28 Post contains images Himmat01 : AI Super Connies had sleeping bunks.
29 Scouseflyer : That's the one - sorry for my error!
30 Post contains images Solnabo : Huh!! KF stands for Air Botnia (Finland) and not Kingfisher.....try it with the arrow. Cheers Micke//
31 Jfk777 : The A380 market in India is pure ego. 777, A330/A340, 787 and 747 are far better since everything is 8 or 9 hours away. LHR, Tokyo, Singapore, bangkok
32 Post contains images Manni : I think we will see atleast LH, AF and EK sending A380s to India. I dont see why the A380 in India would be 'pure ego', based on the flying time to p
33 Rj111 : My money's on Air Deccan and Jet Airways.
34 Post contains images Gr8Circle : To the best of my knowledge, the 707's never had these....but as the pic demonstrates, the connies certainly did.....
35 Aseem : thnx..I had those pics in mind, and all I could recollect was pre-747 aircraft, so jumped to B707...thanx for correction.
36 Post contains images EI321 : How do those airline CEOs stay in their jobs when there are clearly better candidates on this website  [Edited 2007-02-07 17:34:25]
37 Post contains images Stitch : Their secret weapon:
38 Karan69 : Are not the likes of LH,AF,VS going to use their aircrafts to routes like JFK etc..which are well under 7 hours. I get the point you are trying to ma
39 Aseem : as far as my reasoning goes, A380 would be perfect for intra-metro routes. Only downside being that airports are not ready to handle that many passeng
40 Post contains links Manni : http://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/Dis...file=Local_News2007020831456.xmlAs expected, it appears to be Jet Airways and Air India. ----------------------
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