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Airbus Wins Order For 6 A330F's.  
User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9445 times:

Aviation Aircraft trading placed an order for 6 A332F. Aviation Aircraft trading places their aircraft and crew with airlines such as CX, LH, AF and SV according to the report. Who of them would be a potential taker?

http://www.sharewatch.com/story.php?storynumber=317771


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User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1838 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9309 times:

Great news for the A330F program!! Things are starting to roll for them.


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User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 9177 times:

The orders for mid size freighters are rolling in on both sides of the Atlantic these first few weeks of 2007...

Good news for both manufacturers.


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9109 times:

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 2):
The orders for mid size freighters are rolling in on both sides of the Atlantic

Since the launch of the A330F, 40 commitments from 5 different customers have been announced. Interesting to note that of these 5 customers 3 of them commited to 6 each. Now if Kingfisher would commit to 6 aswell we could really talk about a six-pack of freighters...



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User currently offlineZschocheImages From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 151 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9072 times:

Wow, in the same week both the 330 and the 767 gain orders, as well as the FedEx announcement about the 757. Good for both companies.


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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9072 times:

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 2):
The orders for mid size freighters are rolling in on both sides of the Atlantic these first few weeks of 2007...

Indeed and I think it has to do with
- older freighters such as DC8 / 707 /727 /DC10 / B741 / A300 becoming real expensive to operate (fuel / maintenance). I once discussed it with a US DC8 operator (for Fedex) he mentioned c-check costs / downtime: staggering.
- the 9/11 + gulf war / boom in air traffic making airlines less able / willing to replace used aircraft freeing them up for conversions.

I spoke to several cargo operators desperately to get their hands on 763's but simply unable to get them for conversion. The UPS 767 order can be seen following this devlopment. They probably preffered 763 conversions but there are simply no airframes available. Boeing has a strategic interest to keep open the 767 line with a surprising win-win deal as a result.


User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9072 times:

Indeed, 6 planes seems like a magic number for cargo operators ordering the A330F... any particular reason why? or just coincidence?

Flyington (A332F) x 6
Guggenheim (A332F) x 6
Avion Aircraft Trading (A332F) x 6


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 9003 times:

Quoting Manni (Reply 3):
Now if Kingfisher would commit to 6 aswell we could really talk about a six-pack of freighters...

Nah Kingfisher only orders Airbuses in 5s!

5 x A330
5 x A345
5 x A350
5 x A380


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 22
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8863 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 7):

Nah Kingfisher only orders Airbuses in 5s!

5 x A330
5 x A345
5 x A350
5 x A380

You forgot the 5 six-packs they ordered in Dubai 2005  drunk 

http://www.flykingfisher.com/press_a320.htm

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 6):
Indeed, 6 planes seems like a magic number for cargo operators ordering the A330F... any particular reason why? or just coincidence?

I had a quick look in my fridge. On the plastic wrapper of the six-pack in there is written 5 + 1 free.  duck 



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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8814 times:

Where is the Aercap order?

Drew



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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8729 times:

Airbus Press Release:

Quote:
Airbus said Tuesday it has signed a memorandum of understanding for the sale of six A330-200 freighters to Avion Aircraft Trading.

With this commitment, Avion, based in Reykjavik, joins the launch customer base for the new Airbus freighter and becomes the first customer in Iceland for this aircraft type. Deliveries for these aircraft are scheduled in 2010 and 2011.

Avion Aircraft Trading is partly owned by HF Eimskip, the parent company of Air Atlanta Icelandic, known for its services including Aircraft Crew Maintenance and Insurance (ACMI operations) to airlines worldwide such as Air France Cargo, Cargolux, Cathay Pacific, Etihad, Lufthansa Cargo, MASkargo and Saudi Arabian Airlines.

David Masson, CEO of Avion Aircraft Trading said: "The A330-200F is the ideal complement to our portfolio of bigger cargo airplanes and builds on the successful experience we had in Iceland with the A310 and A300-600 Freighters. Its payload range characteristics will open up new possibilities for our airline customers paired with very attractive operating costs."

John Leahy, COO Customers of Airbus said: "Avion's decision to select the A330-200F adds to the very robust launch of this latest member of our freighter family. We are particularly delighted and honoured to see the strong endorsement of Avion Aircraft Trading.

With Avion's global expertise in placing wide body cargo aircraft, we are confident these aircraft will be successfully operated by cargo airlines worldwide."

The A330-200F is a derivative of the very popular A330 Family operated by more than 60 operators worldwide. This will greatly facilitate the entry into service of the new all-cargo variant into existing A330 fleets.

As for all Airbus aircraft currently in production, the A330-200F will also benefit from full operational commonality unique to Airbus thanks to the now well recognised Airbus Fly-By-Wire technology which also enables faster pilot transitioning to and from other Airbus aircraft, both passenger and freighter.

The A330-200F can carry up to 64 metric tonnes over 4,000 nautical miles/7400 km in its standard version. When selecting the optional payload mode the aircraft can carry 69 metric tonnes up to 3,200 nautical miles/5930km.

These range and payload capabilities will enable operators to grow their business by opening up or extending cargo routes currently operated.

Thanks to an optimized fuselage cross-section, it has the interior flexibility to carry a wide variety of pallet and container sizes for maximum interlining capability, offering 30 percent more volume than any freighter in its class.

Company website: www.airbus.com


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 8511 times:

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 6):
Flyington (A332F) x 6
Guggenheim (A332F) x 6
Avion Aircraft Trading (A332F) x 6

Plus

20 for Intrepid
2 for MGN
--------
Total:

40 planes since the launch of the program. The A332F has already passed the sales of the A342 and the A345. (OK, both niche aircraft.) That thing is really a success, sold 40 in a month, when production is 96 per year.


User currently offlineBoomBoom From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8347 times:

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 6):
Indeed, 6 planes seems like a magic number for cargo operators ordering the A330F... any particular reason why? or just coincidence?

Flyington (A332F) x 6
Guggenheim (A332F) x 6
Avion Aircraft Trading (A332F) x 6

666, it's the mark of the  devil 


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8319 times:

Quoting KL808 (Reply 9):

Not sure what the latest is on that.


User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21531 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8268 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 11):
The A332F has already passed the sales of the A342 and the A345. (OK, both niche aircraft.)

Neither was intended to be a niche aircraft, it just turned out that way.

The A330P/A330F program shows that if you actually give airlines what they are telling you they want instead of you telling them what they should want, customers will beat a path to your door.



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User currently offlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12561 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8268 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 10):
memorandum of understanding

So not quite an order, yet. In any regard, congrats to Airbus!



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User currently offlineEGBJ From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 498 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 8214 times:

Great news for Airbus....seems there is quite some money to be made in the medium capacity cargo hauler market  Smile

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3969 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 14):
Neither was intended to be a niche aircraft, it just turned out that way.

Of course they were intended to be niche aircraft. They are simply shortened versions of the -300 and -600, same wing, shorter fuselage, therefore more range at worse economics. They were supposed to fly only where the range of the longer aircraft was not enough, and there are not many routes that require ranges of 14,000 or 16,000 kilometers. Therefore niche.


User currently offlineB2707SST From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 1369 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2948 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 17):
Of course they were intended to be niche aircraft. They are simply shortened versions of the -300 and -600, same wing, shorter fuselage, therefore more range at worse economics. They were supposed to fly only where the range of the longer aircraft was not enough, and there are not many routes that require ranges of 14,000 or 16,000 kilometers. Therefore niche.

A Boeing presentation for the 2005 Paris Air Show included the following quote, which is based on Airbus' 1987 market outlook for the A340:
Back in 1987, Airbus projected 490 total deliveries of A340 Classics by the end of 2005: 343 A340-300s and 147 A340-200s. Interestingly, only 28 A340-200s were built and Airbus now owns about half of them. The total projected production run for A340-200 and -300s right now is 241. It seems Airbus is going to fall a bit short of their original forecast for A340 Classics – by about half.

http://www.boeing.com/nosearch/exec_pres/ParisAirShow_2005.pdf

Unfortunately, the link no longer works, but someone on A.net may have saved a copy. In any case, 147 projected sales for the A342 isn't a lot, but it also isn't merely a "niche" aircraft. Certainly A342 sales must have disappointed, just as 764 sales must have been lower than Boeing expected.

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User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2921 times:

It might be worth mentioning the expected sale numbers for the A330 (designed as the twin engined version of the A340) were considerably lower than what has been realized over the years by Airbus, thus unveiling a shift from 4 engined planes to 2 engined planes over the years, fully in line with the unexpected quick and smooth introduction of ever less strict ETOPS rules.

In that way, part of the expected sales for the A342 and A343 have been realised , albeit as A332 and A333....


User currently offlineA350 From Germany, joined Nov 2004, 1100 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

I wonder if they should offer an A330-300F, too. It would offer more volume for the parcel carriers. Since the A333 is only slightly heavier than the A332, the penality would be low in case the weight limit is reached earler than the volume limit. In case the volume is actually needed, however, its economics will be great.

Cheers

A350



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User currently offline2wingtips From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2710 times:

Isn't this a new commitment at the MoU stage? Airbus order for this year show 6 330F orders only for Guggenheim. The rest............well they aren't firm as yet.

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2590 times:

Quoting B2707SST (Reply 18):
A Boeing presentation for the 2005 Paris Air Show included the following quote, which is based on Airbus' 1987 market outlook for the A340:

Back in 1987, Airbus projected 490 total deliveries of A340 Classics by the end of 2005: 343 A340-300s and 147 A340-200s. Interestingly, only 28 A340-200s were built and Airbus now owns about half of them. The total projected production run for A340-200 and -300s right now is 241. It seems Airbus is going to fall a bit short of their original forecast for A340 Classics – by about half

In 1987 the P&W superfan saga was yet to rear its head. Airbus eventually launched the A332 to address poor A342 sales.


User currently offlineEBJ1248650 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1932 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

Quoting A350 (Reply 20):
I wonder if they should offer an A330-300F, too. It would offer more volume for the parcel carriers. Since the A333 is only slightly heavier than the A332, the penality would be low in case the weight limit is reached earler than the volume limit. In case the volume is actually needed, however, its economics will be great.

Cheers

A350

I'm glad you asked that because I wondered the same thing. I further wonder why Boeing never capitalized on the potential freighter sales that could come from freight models of the 767-400, 757-300 over even 737-800 or -900. Smaller freight operations might welcome new 737 freighters. DC-9s and 727s are still used as freighters, as are a few older 737s. These airplanes are going to need replacing some day.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 23):
I further wonder why Boeing never capitalized on the potential freighter sales that could come from freight models of the 767-400, 757-300 over even 737-800 or -900. Smaller freight operations might welcome new 737 freighters.

There are lots used 737s and 767s on the market. Im sure of there was sufficient demand they would.


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 25, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2441 times:

Quoting B2707SST (Reply 18):
It seems Airbus is going to fall a bit short of their original forecast for A340 Classics – by about half.

In a forecast that certainly did not include A340NG and had probably way lower A330 sales projected than we see today.


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