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Boeing CEO Says 787 Halfway To Weight Reduction  
User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5752 posts, RR: 47
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9033 times:

Boeing CEO McNerney said today that Boeing is about half way to 787 weight reduction goal. He made his comments at the Cowen Conference in NYC today.

[Edited 2007-02-06 18:01:52]


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User currently offlineMrComet From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 540 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9030 times:

I guess that means its 1% over....


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5752 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 9001 times:

He also said that he expects a go with the 787-10 and and order within 12 months. Also said that the 737RS really is a technology maturation development project at this point.

Sees a lot of European and North American airlines ordering in '07 to '08.

787 is still on time for May, 2008 delivery to ANA.

[Edited 2007-02-06 17:56:34]


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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8955 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
Sees a lot of European and North American airlines ordering in '07 to '08.

the 787-10 or the RS


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8914 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Thread starter):
half way to 787 weight goal.

Vary vague and may be interpreted in many ways.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
technology maturation development project

Again, this may mean anything.

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):
the 787-10 or the RS

Aircraft of that class, not necessarily from Boeing  Wink


User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8898 times:

Quoting Danny (Reply 4):

Aircraft of that class, not necessarily from Boeing

Ahh right - Thanks


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 968 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8865 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):
the 787-10 or the RS

I would take the statement to regard Boeing products in general: 737NG, 787, 777, and 747-8

There are several major European and American customers who could potentially place significant orders with Boeing in the next 12 months:

- American Airlines (737NG, 787)
- British Airways (787, 777, 747)
- Lufthansa (787)

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
Also said that the 737RS really is a technology maturation development project at this point.

The Yellowstone conceptual research that eventually led to the 787 took about 3 years if you count from 1999-2002. So if we assume Boeing is just starting that phase now, we may see the 737-RS begin to take shape by 2009-2010, with an EIS around 2014-2015.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5752 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8844 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 7):
The Yellowstone conceptual research that eventually led to the 787 took about 3 years if you count from 1999-2002. So if we assume Boeing is just starting that phase now, we may see the 737-RS begin to take shape by 2009-2010, with an EIS around 2014-2015.

Well that but also they need newer engine technology to make that leap in efficiency and justify a whole new program. That isn't quite there yet.



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8492 times:

Good to hear this, Boeing are almost there.  checkmark 

User currently offlineFlyorski From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 987 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8474 times:

Great news for Boeing, they are almost there.

Hope to see the 787 in LH colors  Smile



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5752 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 8392 times:

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 3):
the 787-10 or the RS

Nope McNereny was referring to the general order cycle which these airlines have yet to take part in.



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 968 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 8155 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 7):
Well that but also they need newer engine technology to make that leap in efficiency and justify a whole new program. That isn't quite there yet.

And likewise, the 787 engines were not at Boeing's disposal in 1999, but the engine OEM were ready to commit in the span of 3-4 years.


User currently onlineKarlB737 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3104 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7844 times:

Courtesy: Chicago Tribune

Boeing CEO: Stretch Dreamliner 'more than likely'

http://www.chicagotribune.com/techno...028736.story?coll=chi-bizfront-hed


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5752 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 7808 times:

I think the stretch will happen by the end of the 2nd quarter more than likely with either BA or EK being the launch customer.


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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1583 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7613 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
the 737RS really is a technology maturation development project at this point

What is a "technology maturation development project" mean?


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 968 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 7569 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 14):
What is a "technology maturation development project" mean?

Likely a phase of conceptual research and industrial trade studies. Basically trying to find new or exotic technology (of value!) that can be domesticated and put into mass production in time for the next project on the horizon.


User currently offlineODwyerPW From Mexico, joined Dec 2004, 853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6362 times:

DFWRevolution,
thanks for the definition. nicely explained.



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User currently offlineMrComet From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 540 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 5900 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 15):
Likely a phase of conceptual research and industrial trade studies. Basically trying to find new or exotic technology (of value!) that can be domesticated and put into mass production in time for the next project on the horizon.

I disagree. I think he means they are going to try to improve the bird with a few new fairings and replace some AL with carbon but no new technologies until the next generation. They're going to do it on the cheap and hope to see another 500 birds to WN and Ryanair.

Since they are losing the A320 vs 737 battle, this is a mistake. Sure, they sell a lot of tin but Airbus sells more and they make them faster. The right approach is to force Airbus to update and since Airbus doesn't have the resources they'd be screwed.



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User currently offlineJoni From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 5678 times:

Quoting MrComet (Reply 1):
I guess that means its 1% over....

You're reading a lot into the statement, as is the wont in A.net. He may have been referring to a state where the plane was 4% over, thus "halfway" is at 2%. Or they may be halfway to solving the problem entirely (in a Microsoft project sense), but haven't yet been able to shed a single kilo.


User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5559 times:

Quoting MrComet (Reply 17):
I disagree. I think he means they are going to try to improve the bird with a few new fairings and replace some AL with carbon but no new technologies until the next generation. They're going to do it on the cheap and hope to see another 500 birds to WN and Ryanair.

Since they are losing the A320 vs 737 battle, this is a mistake. Sure, they sell a lot of tin but Airbus sells more and they make them faster. The right approach is to force Airbus to update and since Airbus doesn't have the resources they'd be screwed.

Nah, the "RS" in 737RS is for "Replacement Study", which to me implies a clean-sheet design.
PS> I fully see 737RS/Y1 (they are the same thing) as 787's "Mini-Me".  

Quoting Joni (Reply 18):
You're reading a lot into the statement, as is the wont in A.net. He may have been referring to a state where the plane was 4% over, thus "halfway" is at 2%. Or they may be halfway to solving the problem entirely (in a Microsoft project sense), but haven't yet been able to shed a single kilo.

 no   no   no 
Is this your wish? 'Cause I don't read it like that.
4% is in itself a wild exaggeration, in light of reports over the last several months.

[Edited 2007-02-07 09:35:17]


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User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5490 times:

Quote:
Boeing is midway to achieving its goal of reducing the weight of its new 787 Dreamliner by 2 percent, Chief Executive Officer James McNerney said.

"We're halfway to our weight-reduction goal and continue to take weight out," McNerney told investors at SG Cowen & Co.'s Aerospace and Defense conference in New York on Tuesday. "I'm more confident than normal."

Boeing's suppliers are producing lighter parts aimed at reducing the plane's weight by about 5,000 pounds, McNerney said.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...ospace/2003560147_bizbriefs07.html


User currently offlineMCIGuy From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5429 times:

Pretty amazing when you put it into perspective. It's already lost the weight of a large automobile.


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User currently offlineNAV20 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 9909 posts, RR: 36
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5388 times:

Quoting MrComet (Reply 17):
Since they are losing the A320 vs 737 battle, this is a mistake.

With respect, MrComet, don't understand that comment? Last year Boeing sold 729 X 737s net, EADS sold 673 X A320 Family; of which at least 150 are contingent on building an assembly plant in China at unknown cost?

I'd have said the 737 and A320 Family are level pegging at best; it's likely that, if anything, Boeing are somewhat ahead? Especially since any revival of demand in the US market in 2007 and beyond is likely to be heavily weighted in favour of Boeing, just from the natural and understandable tendency of US airlines to buy American if product quality is equal?

On the main topic, I think Boeing are playing their cards very adroitly - following a policy of 'transparency,' mentioning minor problems in good time and ALSO explaining the planned action/solutions. That builds customer confidence.

[Edited 2007-02-07 10:13:15]


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User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3509 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 5365 times:

Quoting NAV20 (Reply 22):
I'd have said the 737 and A320 Family are level pegging at best

Just because demand for narrow bodies is so high that airlines have to take whatever is available.


User currently offlineGlideslope From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1612 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5137 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 2):
He also said that he expects a go with the 787-10 and and order within 12 months. Also said that the 737RS really is a technology maturation development project at this point.

Which means the co-developement along side the 787 is paying big dividends. As 787 technology matures, so does the 737RS. I'll bet Boeing has a lot of the 737RS CAD work complete. The 737 RS will be here much sooner than anyone expected, IMO.  Cool



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25 Joni : I didn't say that was my "wish", I said the statement quoted was extremely vague. Among other things, it wasn't stated that the starting point of wha
26 Post contains images NorCal : I don't see how that is vague at all Production availability is one thing, but one a/c will fit an airline's route planning better than another. Thes
27 Stitch : Boeing's statements for the past six months or so have referred to the 787 being 2% over their internal target weight. McNerey's own comment states B
28 Danny : Delivery time, price and other elements of the deal do matter as well.
29 Post contains links and images Khobar : Have you ever seen a reference to the aircraft being 4% over? What makes you say that? http://www.hellocompany.org/entry/bo...g-turn-away-most-covete
30 Stitch : Sure they do, but to hear some people on this board speak, you'd think the A320 had a 50% CASM advantage over the 737NG and if Airbus could build 120
31 Post contains links TomB : On the Boeing website under the general Boeing 787-8 specifications, Boeing increased the Maximum Design Takeoff Weight to 484,000 pounds. http://www.
32 Post contains images Stitch : The important number is OEW. It could be that Boeing found a way to carry four thousand pounds more payload (fuel and/or pax+cargo) and raised the MT
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