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User currently offlineJonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 502 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10166 times:

Airbus press release

AIRBUS WINS FIRST ASIAN CUSTOMER FOR VIP A340-500

Airbus has won its first Asian customer for a VIP version of its ultra long-haul A340-500 – highlighting the aircraft’s growing appeal to private customers. The deal is the third for the VIP A340 that Airbus has announced this year, and is in addition to five orders for Airbus Corporate Jetliner (ACJ) Family aircraft.

The Asian customer’s A340-500 is powered by Rolls-Royce Trent 500 engines.

“Already doing sterling service on the world’s longest airline routes, the Airbus A340-500 has exactly what a VIP customer wants – a very large and attractive cabin, four-engined freedom for routings over the remotest regions, and the range to fly nonstop to the world,” says Airbus Chief Operating Officer Customers, John Leahy.

Airbus offers the largest and most modern range of corporate jets, from the entry-level A318 Elite, through the Airbus Corporate Jetliner (ACJ), A320 Prestige and A330/A340 Prestige, all the way up to an A380 Flying Palace.

The market for VIP widebodies has been increasingly active in recent years, with Airbus booking its first firm order for a VIP A340-600 in 2005, plus a VIP A330-200 for an undisclosed customer, in 2006.

Widebody VIP aircraft offer customers both a larger cabin and more range, allowing larger groups to fly even further nonstop in greater comfort and style.

And for customers that select a four-engined A340 or A380, there are added benefits. These include the ability to continue to their destination after an engine failure, better take-off performance in hot and high conditions, and the freedom to overfly remote areas free from extended range twin-engine operations (ETOPS) limitations.

The VIP A330-200, A340-300, A340-500 and A340-600 build on the strong success that the A330/A340 Family has already achieved in the airliner marketplace, where they are the first in their class to pass 1,000 firm orders and have some 100 customers and operators to their credit.

Their modern design features many innovations that deliver more value to customers. These include fuel-saving advanced aerodynamics, extensive use of weight-saving carbonfibre composites, a modern common cockpit and fly-by-wire controls, and reliable systems supported by centralised maintenance.

Corporate jet customers are backed by Airbus’ worldwide network of technical support, training and spares centres, as well as approved service centres.

Airbus is an EADS company.


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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10141 times:

If you fly the whole range with VIP 345 (10.000 nm / 18.000 km) how many hours are you in the air ???

Curius.

Micke//  Confused



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User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10120 times:

The VIP,s really seems to like Airbus  Smile,i would,t mine having one of my own to.....but that,s not gonna happen,congrats to Airbus anyway,they seems to pick a order here and there now,and it,s not just NB.  Smile


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User currently offlineScouseflyer From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 3384 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10094 times:

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 2):
and it,s not just NB.

It's very interesting - not many people are ordering NBs so far this year but give it a few months and that will switch around!


User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 775 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10095 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 1):
If you fly the whole range with VIP 345 (10.000 nm / 18.000 km) how many hours are you in the air ???

I would say that it is close to 20 hours with average speed of 900km/h  Smile



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User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 10019 times:

Just for the record: this is the SECOND A340-500VIP sold this year!? WAW

I'd say Airbus is actively promoting the 4 engines concept for long haul with the VIPs and I suppose it makes sense really, since any other long haul plane might be ETOPS limited.

I know the T7 has the longest ETOPS clearance of all planes and some other twins like the A330/767 can have pretty impressive ETOPS clearances too, but if I have understood it correctly, these don't come automatic. The individual plane, the crew, the maintenance department and the operator all need to be approved by the authorities to fly under ETOPS for commercial flights and although I don't know whether this also goes for private/business flights (and thus by definition non-commerical flights) I suppose all Mr Leahy has to say is: "Would you as a billionaire want to take risks which Joe Average is protected from with his $500 ticket?"

I wonder when the first A380 Flying Palace will be ordered? It didn't sound far off to me...


User currently offlineFumitani From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 38 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 9997 times:

Would there be any two cities that this aircraft won't be able to link?

SYD-LHR, NRT-GRU both would be no problems.


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 851 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9945 times:

There´s bein a lot of orders for the 332F, ACJ, Elite, Prestige this winter and it´s not over yet......

Airbus SAS, Love them both  cloudnine 

Micke//  Wink



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User currently offlineEGBJ From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 498 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9941 times:

Quoting Fumitani (Reply 6):
Would there be any two cities that this aircraft won't be able to link?

In the non-commercial configuration I think the A345 will be able to link pretty much every city pair on the map  Smile


User currently offlineSlz396 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9907 times:

Quoting Solnabo (Reply 7):
There´s been a lot of orders for the 332F, ACJ, Elite, Prestige this winter and it´s not over yet......

Indeed, so far all the orders announced by Airbus have been for the newly launched A330 Freighter program, the corporate range and their highly popular A320 family.... Somehow I am getting the impression Airbus is once again buffering the even higher profile orders from the pax airlines for a mega event like Le Bourget, where they will like to come strong, with a daily stream of big order announcements. Mr Leahy's recent slip of the tong regarding the LH follow up order for a considerable number of A380s might have been one of them...


User currently offlineJonathan-l From France, joined Mar 2002, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9905 times:

Quoting EGBJ (Reply 8):
I think the A345 will be able to link pretty much every city pair on the map

Of major city pairs, Shanghai-Buenos Aires is perhaps one of the longest (10579nm great circle). Anyone see any longer city pair? (not necessarily reachable by any given aircraft)


User currently offlinePlanemanofnz From New Zealand, joined Sep 2005, 1675 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9889 times:
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Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 10):
Of major city pairs, Shanghai-Buenos Aires is perhaps one of the longest (10579nm great circle). Anyone see any longer city pair? (not necessarily reachable by any given aircraft)

AKL/CHC-LHR/MAN/OSL/GLA maybe?


User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 9850 times:

Quoting Jonathan-l (Reply 10):
Of major city pairs, Shanghai-Buenos Aires is perhaps one of the longest (10579nm great circle). Anyone see any longer city pair? (not necessarily reachable by any given aircraft)



Quoting Planemanofnz (Reply 11):
AKL/CHC-LHR/MAN/OSL/GLA maybe?

CHC-VGO

10,713 nm
19,840 km


User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 9753 times:

Quoting Jonathan-l (Thread starter):
and is in addition to five orders for Airbus Corporate Jetliner (ACJ) Family aircraft.

Airbus announced yesterday a deal for an A319ACJ. They've also announced a deal for 2 A318s going to Comlux and 2 A320s going to the Oman AF. Looks like these are the orders talked about here.



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User currently offlineFCKC From France, joined Nov 2004, 2348 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9592 times:

Is it for the Sultan of Brunei ??

User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9533 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 14):
Is it for the Sultan of Brunei ??

That was my bet too.  Smile


User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1808 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 9523 times:

Quoting Jonathan-l (Thread starter):
Airbus has won its first Asian customer for a VIP version of its ultra long-haul A340-500 – highlighting the aircraft’s growing appeal to private customers.

QR has a VIP aircraft since 2005, and so this order is not the FIRST Asian customer.



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4680 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9387 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 16):
QR has a VIP aircraft since 2005, and so this order is not the FIRST Asian customer.

Ok, but IIRC this was included in QR's order of 4 A345s, 3 of which are normal airline aircraft.



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User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2167 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9357 times:

siz396 has it right...ETOPS requires a whole additional level of maintenance and costs. With a 4 engine bird items can defer until the aircraft reaches parts without disrupting the VIP's plans or timing. Further with the 4 motors you are going direct anywhere you want without any hours on one engine restriction thereby shorter flights and additionally allowing you not to overfly areas you do not want to...sometimes an important item depending on intl relations at the time...wink wink. Lastly the 4 motors you are carrying are common around the world for maintenance and parts vastly reducing potential downtime situations.

User currently offlineThorben From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9310 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 17):

Ok, but IIRC this was included in QR's order of 4 A345s, 3 of which are normal airline aircraft.

QR has bought one A345 for the Amiri Flight and 4 A346 for the regular airline. They haven't ordered more A345s.

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 16):
QR has a VIP aircraft since 2005, and so this order is not the FIRST Asian customer.

In Airbus world view Qatar belongs to "Middle East & North Africa". Apart from that you're right.


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9270 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 19):
QR has bought one A345 for the Amiri Flight and 4 A346 for the regular airline. They haven't ordered more A345s.

Also QR arent showing as ordering anything other than the A340-600s from Airbus on the O&D spreadsheet, so if they went elsewhere for the VIP A340 (which this highly suggests) then this press release would be correct in that this A340-500 order is the first one for Airbus itself.


User currently onlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30654 posts, RR: 84
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9246 times:
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Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
I'd say Airbus is actively promoting the 4 engines concept for long haul with the VIPs and I suppose it makes sense really, since any other long haul plane might be ETOPS limited.

Yet if ETOPS is lifted or LROPS is enforced, it won't really matter.

Plus, do ETOPS and LROPS apply to private planes, or just commercial carriers? If it doesn't, it may help explain Boeing's strong 787BBJ sales...


User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9220 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 21):
Yet if ETOPS is lifted or LROPS is enforced, it won't really matter.

I think it entirely depends on what rules LROPS will bring in - I cant imagine that suddenly twins will be able to go whereever they please, just as I dont think many of the pacific diversion destinations are suitable for many types of medical emergencies.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 21):
Plus, do ETOPS and LROPS apply to private planes, or just commercial carriers? If it doesn't, it may help explain Boeing's strong 787BBJ sales...

It depends on a lot of factors, some countries require it, some dont, and it also depends how the flight is operated.


User currently offlineA360 From Portugal, joined Jun 2005, 434 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8024 times:

Quoting Thorben (Reply 12):
CHC-VGO

10,713 nm
19,840 km

Is that the longest you know in the world?

Anyway, I would settle for AKL-LIS (19622 km/10595 nm), which, although highly unlikelly for some biz jet to do, it's still much more likelly than CHC-VGOBig grin
At least both LIS and AKL are the biggest cities of their own countries.  Wink


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User currently offlineDEVILFISH From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4782 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7381 times:

Quoting FCKC (Reply 14):
Is it for the Sultan of Brunei ??

Doubt it as he did not take delivery of the A340-8000 which is also very long ranged, and still has a relatively new and bigger 744. He is a more likely candidate for the A380.



"Everyone is entitled to my opinion." - Garfield
25 Thorben : There is one A345 in the top line as "Executive and Private Jets". I believe it is the one of Qatar Amiri. In earlier sheets Airbus had it listed und
26 Thorben : No, AGP-AKL is longer 19,940 km
27 CaptainTim : QR is classafied as Middle East... but in Asia to be honest many corporations do not like buying business jets for some reason and VIPs tend to buy s
28 Post contains images A360 : Fair enough! Btw, AKL-VGO is "just" 19358 km. Regards: A360
29 Atnight : I hate to say this, but KUL-CUE is actually longer... 19,956KM... I guess that could very well be the longest route in the world!!
30 A342 : Guys, the longest route I could find in the Great Circle Mapper was SYX-ARI. It showed 20004km, but one a.nutter said it actually was a few kms below
31 Post contains images A360 : Ok, ok.... only airports with at least 1 Million passengers/year are elegible!
32 Thorben : Probably depends from where you measure. If you take the ends of the runways that are the nearest to each other, it might be 4km less than when you t
33 Post contains images LifelinerOne : Wasn't Malaysia in for a new VIP plane? I recalled something about the PM of Malaysia being under fire for buying a new, rather expensive plane? Cheer
34 Post contains links and images DEVILFISH : I believe that was for an ACJ..... View Large View MediumPhoto © Joel Vogt
35 Post contains links DEVILFISH : A wild speculation, but setting aside the VIP A345 as for Qatar's Amiri Flight, Flightglobal's lumping it together in one report with China's Sonango
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