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User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 871 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5926 times:

How are AC operations in the southern cone doing?. Yields, load factors, etc. I know LIM, SCL, EZE and GRU are the destinations. SCL or EZE would get dedicated flights?.

Thanks


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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5923 times:

Don't forget BOG too.


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User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5863 times:

Not to nitpic, but isnt Bogata in CENTRAL America??

User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5862 times:

Don't forget CCS too

User currently offlineChrisA330 From Canada, joined Oct 1999, 630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5859 times:

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 2):
Not to nitpic, but isnt Bogata in CENTRAL America??

I'm thinking you need a geography refresher.


User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8288 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5855 times:
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Dl is doing very well in SA. Flying to most main cities in each country. They have truly shown us the way away from teh traditional Miami and JFK gateways. Houston with Continental and United at IAD also have service to Lati America.

User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5851 times:

Ooooops......

I just looked at a map. I'll talk to you guys later, after I get back from geography class.  embarrassed 


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11420 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5808 times:
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Quoting Eastern023 (Thread starter):
How are AC operations in the southern cone doing?.

GRU is doing fine, around 80% loads and use to change planes from 763 to A343 during the Brazilian summer.

Felipe



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User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5788 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 7):
GRU is doing fine, around 80% loads and use to change planes from 763 to A343 during the Brazilian summer.

By the way, the new VARIG still codeshares with Air Canada to Canada.


User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5752 times:

What about SCL?.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5):
Dl is doing very well in SA. Flying to most main cities in each country.

Who's DI?



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User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5738 times:
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Quoting Eastern023 (Reply 9):
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5):
Dl is doing very well in SA. Flying to most main cities in each country.

Who's DI?

I think maybe he meant to type DL ?



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User currently offlineBALAX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5731 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 5):
Dl is doing very well in SA. Flying to most main cities in each country. They have truly shown us the way away from teh traditional Miami and JFK gateways.

Is the topic about DL or AC? I'm confused.


User currently offlineMultimark From Canada, joined Jul 2006, 796 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5710 times:

Quoting BALAX (Reply 11):
Is the topic about DL or AC? I'm confused.

Perhaps he thought AC meant aircraft.


User currently offlineRICARIZA From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2389 posts, RR: 26
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5639 times:

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 2):
Not to nitpic, but isnt Bogata in CENTRAL America??



No comments!



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User currently offlineEastern023 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 871 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5631 times:

We are now talking about Air Cananda (AC).


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User currently offlineLuisca From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5615 times:

What happened to rumors that AC was going to fly to PTY? Canada is the third largest tourist market for Panama after the US and the EU. PTY gets A330s and A310s from Transat and Westjet also flies to PTY. Anybody have any info? (BTW I know PTY is technically in Central America)

User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5509 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 13):
No comments!

Oh, I'm never going to hear the end of this.....lol


User currently offlineAirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5461 times:

Don't forget I think AC will be flying to Margarita Island too for AC Vacations.

User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5410 times:

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 2):
Not to nitpic, but isnt Bogata in CENTRAL America??

Oh, Lord... and I guess Rio de Janeiro is the capital of Argentina...  laughing 

Bogota is the capital of Colombia, a South American country.


User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5393 times:

AC has had YYZ CCS and aparently tried to build the route, with some success. Part of their problem has been total inconsistency in flight times and frequencies. They have operated the flight as a stand alone, then later combined it with POS (making it a triangle route YYZ POS CCS or YYZ CCS POS).

First of all, AC needs to pick a standard dep/arrival time and stick to it they seem to change it weekly almost and recently they have had ridiculous arrival times sometimes 2-3AM! On another post somebody said this was because of runway work but that makes no sense.

AC has a very extensive US, European and Asian network out of the YYZ mega hub, which will grow even more. Plan is to create in YYZ a "sterile" transit area, so that intl transit pax (for example Vzla to Europe or Asia) would not need any Cdn visa to transit through YYZ.

This would seem to be a huge competitive advantage over US majors given ever increasing difficulty for Vzlans to get US visa, plus the hassle of passing through US Immigration even if you have one.

Any of the posters here have any thoughts on how well the YYZ CCS service does for AC and whether they should build it as a transit route for above reasons? O&D traffic between Vzla and canada is pretty decent because of a fast growing Vzla population in canada, mostly in Toronto but a few in Montreal and Vancouver as well, in addition to Western canada oil region.

CCS is supposedly part of AC plan to build themselves in latin America. But they need to get a set fliight time and stick to it. Plus it would be nice to drop the POS stop one one way leg. If I recall the YYZ CCS route is combined with POS largely because of a limited number of A319s suitable for a long over water flights. Other than bumping the flight up to a 762ER or a 763 (unlikely) I don't think there is anything in the AC fleet other than the A319 suitable for this route, given range and over ocean flying. At this point at least it would not likely be economically feasible to assign a 762ER or 763 to the route and those aircraft are all assigned elsewhere. The A320s and A321s are not rated (from what I remember reading) for this flight, given distance and over water requirements.

I have often thought that YYZ PMV CCS might be a great route if the bilaterals permitted it. There is an ever growing number of Europeans traveling to Margarita. Admittedly there are several direct to PMV charters from various European destinations but a large number of Europeans still arrive via CCS, either directly on some European carrier or many still via a US carrier through the USA, if the price is right. If AC could offer Europe-YYZ-PMV at a competitive fare this would generate some business especially with STAR feed in Europe. Europe and Canada are now discussing open skies as well.

This route might have some merit in the other direction as well, for example PMV to Europe traffic, the market in Margarita of Venezuelans going to Europe may not be extremely large, but it is there and if AC could offer a competitive price on a connection to Europe or Asia they could well capture some of this.

The bottom line is that any airline that can offer international connections, while avoiding transiting the USA, is only going to grow their business. It is either to difficult for Vzlans to get a US visa or even if they have one many foreign nationals do not care for the US Immigration process if it can be avoided.


User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1433 posts, RR: 25
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5368 times:

Quoting CayMan (Reply 19):
AC has a very extensive US, European and Asian network out of the YYZ mega hub, which will grow even more. Plan is to create in YYZ a "sterile" transit area, so that intl transit pax (for example Vzla to Europe or Asia) would not need any Cdn visa to transit through YYZ.

YYZ's "sterile" transit area has opened in T1 Pier F (International Pier)

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineRP TPA From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 852 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5317 times:

Quoting AirbusfanYYZ (Reply 20):
YYZ's "sterile" transit area has opened in T1 Pier F (International Pier

OK....I think I can answer this one without putting my foot in my mouth.
 Smile

The way T1 is set up now, a passenger still has to go thru a document check upon arrival. All necessary visas are needed to enter canada, even if just changing planes. For example, USA-YYZ-INTL, once you deplane you can walk to the international gate area, show your passport and onward boarding pass (or ticket) and go to the gate. In the reverse case (INTL-YYZ-USA) you can bypass Canadian formalities and head straight to USA pre-clearance. If you're going INTL-INTL (eg: GRU-YYZ-PEK), it's just about the same as USA-INTL. You'll deplane, go thru a quick passport check, and go right back to the INTL gate area. However, you'll still need all docs necessary to enter Canada, even though you never actually leave the transit area. Most important, if a visa is needed to enter Canada (eg: a Brazilian passport holder arriving from Brazil and connecting to China), then that visa is required to transfer through.

What Kaz is refering to is a true sterile area which the airport, immigration authorities, and Air Canada hope to have implemented soon. If and when that happens, then a transit visa will no longer be needed if remaining in the sterile area.


User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5276 times:

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 2):
Not to nitpic, but isnt Bogata in CENTRAL America??

Well...I have to say that you must be joking... is that correct?



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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5255 times:

Quoting Bongo (Reply 22):
Well...I have to say that you must be joking... is that correct?

NO, he wasn't...................which is something between unbelievable and extremly funny.

JAAH



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User currently offlineArrow From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 2676 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5217 times:
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Quoting 777jaah (Reply 23):
NO, he wasn't...................which is something between unbelievable and extremly funny.

C'mon guys, give him a break. More than once I've seen writers in Canada's so-called national newspaper -- the Globe and Mail -- talk about Vancouver's magnificent view of the Rocky Mountains (which are actually about a day's drive away). I think he was pretty embarrassed by his geographical goof, which is more than I can say for the Globe.



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25 CayMan : Thanks for that detailed clarification and info. If memory serves, there was some sort of pilot project in YVR by which a true in transit project wou
26 Avianca : what is urgently needed that AC upgrades CCS / BOG flight to a daily operation .... in order to be more intresting for connecting passengers....
27 Post contains images RP TPA : That's what I get for typing without thinking. I wasn't totally sure where Colombia was, but I knew it was near Costa Rica and Panama....hence the "C
28 Avianca : dont worry, btw, Panama was before part of Colombia..... so RP TPA was not thinking so wrongly..... cheers y saludos
29 Post contains images RCS763AV : You could have at least spelled it right... From the Colombia standpoint, AC has been either the carrier with the best load factors in the market, or
30 Avianca : really intresting how airlines are mixing the prices... they are charging 1300 UDS for BOG-YYZ-BOG but you can find for the same price (or little mor
31 Post contains images 777jaah : Heck no, I bet you'll never forget where is colombia, that proves a.net is a "huge ocean of knowledge" I know many pax choose DL and AA for that purp
32 Post contains images RP TPA : That's right.....rub it in!!! And to think I almost wrote "Columbia" earlier, before I noticed that the spelling didn't quite look right.
33 Avianca : yes they do, found on a randoom date not bad fares with them. just over 900 USD return including taxes.... Fri 1-Jun-07 Bogota (BOG) Depart 12:40 am
34 CayMan : Is BOG not daily? I agree that to really make the route work it likely should be. As to CCS, it probably should be daily as well but before that AC n
35 AirCanada014 : Don't forget future expansion to South America and Central America for AC. San Salvador, Guatamala City, Georgetown, Quito and Guayaquil.
36 Post contains images RootsAir :
37 Beechnut : Spell it rocky mountains and then you have a factually correct article, because they are 1) very rocky and 2) definitely mountains. But indeed the Ro
38 RCS763AV : But 5 moths before departure! It´s outrageous! If you reserve it in april-may it will go over 1200USD. AC should indeed make BOG daily but the bilat
39 Eastern023 : How is the YYZ-SCL-EZE flight doing?. Any chance of getting a dedicated bird to each city?.
40 CayMan : I believe it does quite well and, subject to a/c availability, might become dedicated stand alone route. However I have also heard AC does pretty wel
41 AF086 : Air Canada's routemap to South America is pretty interesting as they serve BOG, CCS, LIM, EZE, SCL and GRU. The only major market that AC doesn't serv
42 CayMan : Depends on what you mean by "info"? Hard credible facts and information, I have none. But few posters on a.net do so I will resort to idel speculatio
43 Bqnco : late but whatever.. its Bogota, not Bogata. Ask your teacher for some Phonics too! Adios!
44 AirCanada014 : So far GIG doesn't look like its going to happen. I've seen future route mapping and GIG doesn't look like its on however it would be nice to see AC f
45 Post contains images Kiramakora : Sort of reminds me of their operations to India. BOM, then DEL nonstop, then DEL via ZRH, then DEL offline, and then plans to reenter. AC seems confu
46 RP TPA : I hope to make it there one day. You'll recognize me. I'll be the guy wearing a paper bag over his head.
47 Post contains images RICARIZA : You took the high road man, we have to give you that.. Well, you are more than invited to BOG anytime..!!
48 N1120A : No and neither is Mexico. Columbia is in South America and Mexico is in North America.
49 RP TPA : Yeah, I can take it as well as I can dish it out. Like a lot of us, we've all commented on stupid posts on here. I never thought I'd be the one with
50 Post contains images Avianca : would be perfect, if AV and AC would make the flights daily to say, 3 x weekly AV metal, 4 x weekly AC metal... with same departure/arrival time....
51 Kiramakora : It should be pointed out in your geography lesson that it is spelt COLOMBIA. Good of you to owe up to a mistake. Its refreshing on A.Net.
52 RICARIZA : As I said it on another thread, IMHO we should take it easy on the Columbia issue, we are being too touchy about it. As you all might know, in the Un
53 N1120A : Hey, I don't care, thanks for pointing that out. The u comes naturally being a US native.
54 Kiramakora : No worries. I was being cheeky. God forbid, I cannot imagine how the average non-English speaking Indian would spell Colombia. Oh wait, in India, we
55 AirCanada014 : Has anyone been to Buenos Aires in Argentina lately? I'm thinking about going there in the fall for two weeks. I will be flying with AC and flying on
56 RP TPA : Thanks for your understanding. I hope the citizens of Thailand are as understanding about the way us English speakers might sometimes pronounce the c
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