Canoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2671 posts, RR: 12 Posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8287 times:
A small charter airline in the Pacific Northwest been operating a few weeks now.
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16896 posts, RR: 51 Reply 3, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8232 times:
They may have beaten my estimate by 6 weeks. I say may have since they are trying to line up additional financing. I'd honestly be surprised if they even have another flight.
Canoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2671 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8229 times:
I'm pretty sure they were operating 737's exclusively. Doesn't surprise me at all as well, it seemed a long shot. Although the cross border Canadian traffic might have made for some realistic routes to AZ or CA.
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 16896 posts, RR: 51 Reply 5, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8186 times:
Quoting Canoecarrier (Reply 4): I'm pretty sure they were operating 737's exclusively.
Their flights were operated by Xtra Airways, who only operates 737s. I guess if Western doesn't restart operations, Xtra could always shift the a/c they had dedicated to the operation over to the other airline they fly for, Skyvalue.
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22235 posts, RR: 51 Reply 6, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8185 times:
Another hair brain idea down the drain.. Absolutely no surprise
From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
FATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5673 posts, RR: 17 Reply 9, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8066 times:
As I said in other threads in the past, I have my doubts about the scheduled charter model in the US anymore. Too many don't make it.
I wonder if Allegiant, which is better established at BLI, might someday make at least some of these routes work.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness." - Mark Twain
Lindy Field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3073 posts, RR: 15 Reply 10, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8014 times:
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Wow, I wonder if the end for Western has come already. According to Flytecomm, an Xtra Airways flight landed at SAN this morning, probably the Western one, although that would seem to contradict the info in this article.
Laxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 22235 posts, RR: 51 Reply 11, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7912 times:
For any timetable collectors, you can download their pdf edition online before its gone;
BN727flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 84 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7858 times:
Quoting Laxintl (Reply 11): For any timetable collectors, you can download their pdf edition online before its gone;
San747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4936 posts, RR: 13 Reply 13, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7843 times:
Wow... that Myav shot is dated January 27! That's when I was there! I have a picture of the exact same plane at the exact same time... I don't recall seeing anyone else there with me when I was there, but I guess I was wrong...
Anyway, sad to hear they're ceasing ops. Hope they start up again!
WesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5395 posts, RR: 25 Reply 14, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 7824 times:
Man, thats just disheartening. I hope they can find new financing, and perhaps a better business model (got one for sale!)
Woohoo! Back to Beirut in Oct '13! (Along with a stop in DOH for 4 days)
Drerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 4916 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7643 times:
Damn, I didn't even have a chance to load the flightplans on FS2004.
MtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2141 posts, RR: 1 Reply 16, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7525 times:
If the info is true, which it seems, they must have had a bunch of really stupid a--holes that were in charge of this operation. Anyone should be able to at least complete 3 months of service!
Hell, anyone on this forum would have done better.
Oh well, shows the idiots out there trying the airline game. (Not the board game of the same name, which I have one.)
San747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4936 posts, RR: 13 Reply 17, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7520 times:
Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 15): Damn, I didn't even have a chance to load the flightplans on FS2004.
AVSIM has plans and a repaint available, I managed to put Western on my FS about a week ago...
G4resagent From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 300 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7494 times:
Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 16): Hell, anyone on this forum would have done better.
Coronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1590 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7299 times:
Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 16): Hell, anyone on this forum would have done better.
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 19252 posts, RR: 63 Reply 21, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7225 times:
Quoting BN727flyr (Reply 12): It appears to have been removed from their site. If anyone has it, would you care to share it?
I was just able to download it. If you're not, and would like it, send me a PM with your e-mail address and I'll send it to you. It's only a 68KB PDF file.
Graphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 7225 times:
Quoting S12PPL (Reply 7):
Even Indy made sure they had enough cash to last a year, didn't they?
Considering they were ACA, a vendor for years before and with all the cash they had on-hand, you'd think management would have been smart enough to stop the experiment and possibly prolong the company.
WesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5395 posts, RR: 25 Reply 23, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 7122 times:
My idea would be to ditch BLI completely and come down to either SLC or LAX, preferably SLC. Use either Airbii or 737NG's.
Woohoo! Back to Beirut in Oct '13! (Along with a stop in DOH for 4 days)
MtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2141 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (6 years 4 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 7058 times:
Perhaps XE will look into nonstop ONT-BLI service. But if the have been plotting routes for some time, I guess they may have already investigated it.
I wonder how much Xtra Airways received/was to receive for this operation?
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
25 Type-Rated: I just checked and their schedule .pdf is still available on their website. Strangely enough, their website does not indicate that they have shut down
26 Gunsontheroof: Anyone who's ever crossed the 49th at the Peace Arch can tell you that BLI isn't a viable alternative for YVR. That said, I had suspected Whatcom Cou
27 MtnWest1979: I see under 'find flights' , it says 'system update in progress..'. Good one.
28 Jbrusnak: This is pretty ironic. Just two days ago some business associates of mine were looking at Western's ONT - BLI flights to come up to my area for a coup
29 FATFlyer: I don't know about that completely. I understand that slightly over 50% of Allegiant's passengers at BLI are Canadian.
30 N1120A: Has anyone figured out if the three are linked more closely than let on? Allegiant's operations have shown different. Remember, not all of the Greate
31 Hawaiian717: If you turn right as you enter the little lot on the corner of Laurel & Harbor, that's the side I was on. Was standing on a little plastic stool on t
32 GentFromAlaska: Am I correct in assuming this has to be the quickest an airline has inniated and terminiated service.
33 San747: OK, I think I remember seeing you over there... I was on the the other side. I was there for both the arrival and departure, and I was with my friend
34 Hawaiian717: A couple more articles: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0207mr-wester0208.html http://www.bellinghamherald.com/102/story/48210.html It's pretty
35 AndrewUber: After reading the articles, it doesn't appear that they have "ceased operations" - they're cancelling flights while they are trying to work out financ
36 BN727flyr: I was able to download it this morning. Thanks for the offer!
37 F9Animal: I can't believe they would even consider flying without a merchant ID number. I can't believe for a minute that they would even start selling tickets
38 FATFlyer: Sounds like a cash flow planning problem. Not enough in the bank until funds from passengers can be used. As a scheduled public charter they would hav
39 Clickhappy: Airline Xtra Airways Flight Number 1523 Departure City (Airport) Ontario, CA (ONT) Departure Time 02/08/2007 07:35 PM Arrival City (Airport) Bellingha
40 Wjcandee: Okay, here's the deal: Their talk about "getting a merchant ID number" is a little disingenuous. What they're really talking about is getting someone
41 FATFlyer: The whole merchant ID statement does not seem like the only reason to me because the passengers they did fly were cash only? Or they were chosing to f
42 JetJock22: No wonder they didn't last. We did the gate and ground work for an Xtra Airways charter about a month ago and it was the biggest circus of an airline
43 TWA1985: Bottom Line: No Airline Will Ever Replace The True Western Airlines that has been extinct not for almost two decades. And In My Opinion, That Is The W
44 WesternA318: Amen to that, unless Gordon Bethune runs it
45 AirCop: And would you trust them with your money?
46 Hawaiian717: They're trying to work something out with PayPal to process credit card transactions: http://www.bellinghamherald.com/255/story/48312.html
47 FATFlyer: If the credit card payments go to an escrow account payable to the bank (as they say in their public charter agreement) not the airline and are only r
48 AirCop: Apparently Xtra flew a 734 from BLI into IWA this evening then flying over to ONT. CXP 1521/1522.
49 Wjcandee: If anyone cares, the DOT's public charter rules are posted here: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_03/14cfr380_03.html North American puts a
50 WesternA318: Well I for one hope they can resume service quick...
51 Canoecarrier: "Anyone who's ever crossed the 49th at the Peace Arch can tell you that BLI isn't a viable alternative for YVR." Not exactly true, when I worked at SE
52 Stirling: Beyond the credit-card issues, they really need to re-evaluate the use of a 737-400. For these type of routes....half the capacity would have been mor
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