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Western Airlines Suspending Flight Ops  
User currently offlineCanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8997 times:

A small charter airline in the Pacific Northwest been operating a few weeks now.

http://www.bellinghamherald.com/256/story/48243.html

A friend of mine flew them to Phoenix said it was a pretty good experience, but a tough market to get into.


The beatings will continue until morale improves
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User currently offlineNWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8968 times:

Wow, very short operations. Robert NWDC10

User currently offlineDanairbus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8957 times:

They did not even last one month.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8942 times:

Who else is not surprised by this announcement?

I predicted a shutdown date of March 22, 2007:

RE: The New Western Airlines To Fly Today (by Srbmod Jan 18 2007 in Civil Aviation)

They may have beaten my estimate by 6 weeks. I say may have since they are trying to line up additional financing. I'd honestly be surprised if they even have another flight.

[Edited 2007-02-07 23:17:42]

User currently offlineCanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8939 times:

I'm pretty sure they were operating 737's exclusively. Doesn't surprise me at all as well, it seemed a long shot. Although the cross border Canadian traffic might have made for some realistic routes to AZ or CA.

[Edited 2007-02-07 23:19:57]


The beatings will continue until morale improves
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8896 times:

Quoting Canoecarrier (Reply 4):
I'm pretty sure they were operating 737's exclusively.

Their flights were operated by Xtra Airways, who only operates 737s. I guess if Western doesn't restart operations, Xtra could always shift the a/c they had dedicated to the operation over to the other airline they fly for, Skyvalue.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25197 posts, RR: 48
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8895 times:

Another hair brain idea down the drain.. Absolutely no surprise  Yeah sure


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineS12PPL From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8872 times:

Sheesh...

Even Indy made sure they had enough cash to last a year, didn't they?


User currently offlineAirCop From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8812 times:

Quoting Danairbus (Reply 2):
They did not even last one month.

Not surprised. Didn't see one ad for Western down here in the Valley of the Sun, so if people don't know about you how to you sell the product?


User currently onlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5803 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8776 times:

As I said in other threads in the past, I have my doubts about the scheduled charter model in the US anymore. Too many don't make it.

I wonder if Allegiant, which is better established at BLI, might someday make at least some of these routes work.



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User currently offlineLindy Field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3118 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8724 times:
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Wow, I wonder if the end for Western has come already. According to Flytecomm, an Xtra Airways flight landed at SAN this morning, probably the Western one, although that would seem to contradict the info in this article.


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User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25197 posts, RR: 48
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8622 times:

For any timetable collectors, you can download their pdf edition online before its gone;

http://www.iflywestern.com/flight%20schedule%2001_18_07.pdf



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineBN727flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8568 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 11):
For any timetable collectors, you can download their pdf edition online before its gone;

http://www.iflywestern.com/flight%20schedule%2001_18_07.pdf

It appears to have been removed from their site. If anyone has it, would you care to share it?


User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4942 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8553 times:

Wow... that Myav shot is dated January 27! That's when I was there! I have a picture of the exact same plane at the exact same time... I don't recall seeing anyone else there with me when I was there, but I guess I was wrong...

Anyway, sad to hear they're ceasing ops. Hope they start up again!



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5658 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8534 times:

Man, thats just disheartening. I hope they can find new financing, and perhaps a better business model (got one for sale!)


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User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5174 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 8353 times:

Damn, I didn't even have a chance to load the flightplans on FS2004.


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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8235 times:

If the info is true, which it seems, they must have had a bunch of really stupid a--holes that were in charge of this operation. Anyone should be able to at least complete 3 months of service!

Hell, anyone on this forum would have done better.

Oh well, shows the idiots out there trying the airline game. (Not the board game of the same name, which I have one.)



"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4942 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8230 times:

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 15):
Damn, I didn't even have a chance to load the flightplans on FS2004.

AVSIM has plans and a repaint available, I managed to put Western on my FS about a week ago...

I think I'll keep them in honor of them!



Scotty doesn't know...
User currently offlineG4resagent From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8204 times:

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 16):
Hell, anyone on this forum would have done better.

I doubt that.


User currently offlineWestJetYQQ From Canada, joined Jan 2007, 2987 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8154 times:

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 16):
Oh well, shows the idiots out there trying the airline game.

Anyone who ever gets into airline operations is an idiot, no questions asked. It just goes to show why I want to have my own airline someday.  Wink

Cheers
WS



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User currently offlineCoronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1597 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8009 times:

Quoting MtnWest1979 (Reply 16):
Hell, anyone on this forum would have done better.



Quoting G4resagent (Reply 18):
I doubt that.

I'll give it a shot...
Read down:

. MoWeFr . . . . . . TuThSa . . . . . . . Su Only

BLI.....7:00a . . . BLI.....7:00a . . . . BLI.....7:00a
ONT...9:45a . . . SAN...10:00a . . . IWA...11:15a
ONT..10:15a . . . SAN...10:30a
IWA..12:30p . . . IWA...12:40p . . . IWA...12:00n
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .ONT...12:15p
IWA...1:15p . . . IWA....1:25p
SAN...1:25p . . . ONT....1:40p . . . .ONT....1:00p
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .IWA.....3:15p
SAN...2:10p . . . ONT....2:25p
IWA...4:20p . . . IWA....4:40p . . . .IWA.....4:00p
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .SAN.....4:10p
IWA...5:05p . . . IWA....5:25p
ONT...5:20p . . . SAN....5:35p . . . .SAN.....4:55p
ONT...5:50p . . . SAN....6:05p . . . .IWA.....7:05p
BLI.....8:35p . . . BLI.....9:05p
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . IWA.....7:50p
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . BLI......10:05p

The idea here is to provide IWA to ONT & SAN service.



Uncle SAN at your service!
User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20563 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7935 times:

Quoting BN727flyr (Reply 12):
It appears to have been removed from their site. If anyone has it, would you care to share it?

I was just able to download it. If you're not, and would like it, send me a PM with your e-mail address and I'll send it to you. It's only a 68KB PDF file.



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User currently offlineGraphic From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7935 times:

Quoting S12PPL (Reply 7):

Even Indy made sure they had enough cash to last a year, didn't they?

Considering they were ACA, a vendor for years before and with all the cash they had on-hand, you'd think management would have been smart enough to stop the experiment and possibly prolong the company.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5658 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7832 times:

My idea would be to ditch BLI completely and come down to either SLC or LAX, preferably SLC. Use either Airbii or 737NG's.


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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7768 times:

Perhaps XE will look into nonstop ONT-BLI service. But if the have been plotting routes for some time, I guess they may have already investigated it.

I wonder how much Xtra Airways received/was to receive for this operation?



"If it ain't broke, don't fix it!"
25 Post contains links Type-Rated : I just checked and their schedule .pdf is still available on their website. Strangely enough, their website does not indicate that they have shut down
26 Gunsontheroof : Anyone who's ever crossed the 49th at the Peace Arch can tell you that BLI isn't a viable alternative for YVR. That said, I had suspected Whatcom Cou
27 MtnWest1979 : I see under 'find flights' , it says 'system update in progress..'. Good one.
28 Jbrusnak : This is pretty ironic. Just two days ago some business associates of mine were looking at Western's ONT - BLI flights to come up to my area for a coup
29 FATFlyer : I don't know about that completely. I understand that slightly over 50% of Allegiant's passengers at BLI are Canadian.
30 N1120A : Has anyone figured out if the three are linked more closely than let on? Allegiant's operations have shown different. Remember, not all of the Greate
31 Post contains links Hawaiian717 : If you turn right as you enter the little lot on the corner of Laurel & Harbor, that's the side I was on. Was standing on a little plastic stool on t
32 GentFromAlaska : Am I correct in assuming this has to be the quickest an airline has inniated and terminiated service.
33 San747 : OK, I think I remember seeing you over there... I was on the the other side. I was there for both the arrival and departure, and I was with my friend
34 Post contains links and images Hawaiian717 : A couple more articles: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0207mr-wester0208.html http://www.bellinghamherald.com/102/story/48210.html It's pretty
35 AndrewUber : After reading the articles, it doesn't appear that they have "ceased operations" - they're cancelling flights while they are trying to work out financ
36 Post contains images BN727flyr : I was able to download it this morning. Thanks for the offer!
37 F9Animal : I can't believe they would even consider flying without a merchant ID number. I can't believe for a minute that they would even start selling tickets
38 FATFlyer : Sounds like a cash flow planning problem. Not enough in the bank until funds from passengers can be used. As a scheduled public charter they would hav
39 Clickhappy : Airline Xtra Airways Flight Number 1523 Departure City (Airport) Ontario, CA (ONT) Departure Time 02/08/2007 07:35 PM Arrival City (Airport) Bellingha
40 Wjcandee : Okay, here's the deal: Their talk about "getting a merchant ID number" is a little disingenuous. What they're really talking about is getting someone
41 FATFlyer : The whole merchant ID statement does not seem like the only reason to me because the passengers they did fly were cash only? Or they were chosing to f
42 JetJock22 : No wonder they didn't last. We did the gate and ground work for an Xtra Airways charter about a month ago and it was the biggest circus of an airline
43 TWA1985 : Bottom Line: No Airline Will Ever Replace The True Western Airlines that has been extinct not for almost two decades. And In My Opinion, That Is The W
44 Post contains images WesternA318 : Amen to that, unless Gordon Bethune runs it
45 AirCop : And would you trust them with your money?
46 Post contains links Hawaiian717 : They're trying to work something out with PayPal to process credit card transactions: http://www.bellinghamherald.com/255/story/48312.html
47 FATFlyer : If the credit card payments go to an escrow account payable to the bank (as they say in their public charter agreement) not the airline and are only r
48 AirCop : Apparently Xtra flew a 734 from BLI into IWA this evening then flying over to ONT. CXP 1521/1522.
49 Post contains links Wjcandee : If anyone cares, the DOT's public charter rules are posted here: http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/waisidx_03/14cfr380_03.html North American puts a
50 WesternA318 : Well I for one hope they can resume service quick...
51 Canoecarrier : "Anyone who's ever crossed the 49th at the Peace Arch can tell you that BLI isn't a viable alternative for YVR." Not exactly true, when I worked at SE
52 Stirling : Beyond the credit-card issues, they really need to re-evaluate the use of a 737-400. For these type of routes....half the capacity would have been mor
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