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BA To Charge Up To £240 For Second Bag!  
User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9088 times:

Haven't seen this posted yet:

British Airways is planning to add up to £240 to the cost of a return long-haul flight if passengers want to check in an extra bag.

Travellers on shorter international trips will face a bill of £120 and those on domestic journeys, £60.

The fees, which come in from Tuesday 13 February, will apply even if the combined weight of the two bags is below the allowance.

Full story at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6341129.stm

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User currently offlineToulouse From Switzerland, joined Apr 2005, 2759 posts, RR: 57
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9088 times:

Wow that's a bit steep. And all us Aer Lingus travellers have been complaining about the recent introduction of baggage charges for all baggage checked-in on Aer Lingus, but at least it's only €8 per bag if you pay at the airport of €4 per bag if you pay online before travel.
Well that's what you get having WW at the head of the airline... we know all about it back in Ireland. Between MOL and WW, we really seem to breed fairly agressive airline CEO's on the emerald Isle!



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9047 times:

Holy $hit, that's a lot of money! To make matters worse, BA losses 7 out of 10 bags that go through LHR, at least in my experience. By 'lose' I mean getting your luggage 2-5 days later.

User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9038 times:

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 1):
Wow that's a bit steep

 thumbsup  Just what I was thinking ! 1st they stop Business Class travellers being able to take 2 bags into the cabin, now they introduce this. This is certain to drive business pax away I would've thought. At least it won't affect flights to the US as I'm off there in 5 weeks and I will definitely be taking 2 bags  Wink

Surely this is a bit of a gamble, or do BA know something we don't, i.e. that others will follow ? If they don't, BA could be in some trouble here.

JC



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User currently offlineTinkerBelle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8998 times:

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 3):
1st they stop Business Class travellers being able to take 2 bags into the cabin, now they introduce this.

But business class travellers don't normally have a lot of luggage!


User currently offlineZarniwoop From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8964 times:

Here's the details:

FIRST and Club World
Customers will be able to check three bags into the aircraft hold free of charge.

Club Europe and World Traveller Plus
Customers will be able to check two bags into the aircraft hold free of charge.

World Traveller*, Euro Traveller, BA Connect & UK Domestic
Customers will be able to check one bag into the aircraft hold free of charge.

each bag can be up to 23kg in each class. This does not apply to all destinations:

*World Traveller customers travelling / connecting to or from the US, Canada, Caribbean, Nigeria, Brazil and Mexico will continue to be allowed two checked bags in line with the local government regulations.

I'm not sure where the £240 comes from:

Excess baggage will be charged at a fixed fee per bag. The fixed fee is set according to whether the customer is travelling on a domestic (£30), shorthaul (£60) or longhaul (£120) flight.


User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8951 times:

Quoting Zarniwoop (Reply 5):
Here's the details:

Thanks for the info.

Will BA Executive Gold / Silver holders travelling in Y be entitled to the J allowances do you know ?

thanks
JC



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User currently offlineZarniwoop From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 8930 times:

BTW, I am flying on BA to heathrow tommorow and flying back on 16th Feb and at no point did BA tell me of the change. I just double checked and all it says is 23kg allowance, does not say anything about a single bag.

User currently offlineZarniwoop From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8923 times:

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 6):
Will BA Executive Gold / Silver holders travelling in Y be entitled to the J allowances do you know ?

It dosent say anything in the update on the BA website. I took a quick look at the exec club section and nothing obvious.


User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8926 times:

I would suggest you actually read the full details of the new policy at ba.com before accepting the views put across by the BBC.

The new baggage policy, which was announced last year but delayed due to the security events of August 2006, is basically based on number of pieces.

First and Club World - 3 bags
Club Europe - 2 bags
World Traveller Plus - 2 bags
World Traveller (former piece routes) - 2 bags
World Traveller (former weight routes), domestic and EuroTraveller - 1 bag


The new excess charges are based on number of pieces which the individual wishes to check in and in many cases, particularly on routes where the weight system applies (ie most of the world), the BA rate is better than other carriers, as it is a flat rate and doesn't depend on the weight of the bag.


User currently offlineZarniwoop From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8897 times:

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 9):
I would suggest you actually read the full details of the new policy at ba.com

My post in reply 5 was an almost exact copy from the BA website:

https://www.britishairways.com/travel/bgpolicy/public/en_gb


User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8880 times:

Quoting Zarniwoop (Reply 10):
My post in reply 5 was an almost exact copy from the BA website:

Yeah, I saw that after...you might have posted that as I was typing. If only others had checked before believing the BBC.

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 6):
Will BA Executive Gold / Silver holders travelling in Y be entitled to the J allowances do you know ?

The baggage allowances are based on class of travel only. BA has never applied more to BAEC members.


User currently offlineSoups From Ghana, joined Jun 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8869 times:

Why do countries like Nigeria have 2 piece system and not weight? and this has nothing to do with government issues


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User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8862 times:

Quoting Zarniwoop (Reply 5):
I'm not sure where the £240 comes from:

Excess baggage will be charged at a fixed fee per bag. The fixed fee is set according to whether the customer is travelling on a domestic (£30), shorthaul (£60) or longhaul (£120) flight

You said it yourself - £120 each way is £240 on a return flight.

Quoting Zarniwoop (Reply 7):
BTW, I am flying on BA to heathrow tommorow and flying back on 16th Feb and at no point did BA tell me of the change.

According to the Daily Telegraph, BA confirmed that its sales staff were instructed not to tell customers in advance when they booked their tickets.

I was watching Sky News last night and they were saying that BA were going to take cash on check in, and that they were keeping it from passengers until it actually happened, presumably to prevent people cancelling and going with someone else. Well now they've got the passengers by the short and curlies as they won't want to switch to anyone else now.

A bit sneaky really!


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19258 posts, RR: 52
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8834 times:

Quoting Toulouse (Reply 1):
Between MOL and WW, we really seem to breed fairly agressive airline CEO's on the emerald Isle!

LOL. Very true. But the thing is, both FR and BA are very profitable.

Anyway, I believe BE were the first in Europe to introduce the concept of paying to take checked-in luggage.

Those BA prices for a second bag are, of course, absurdly expensive. Has anyone yet paid it? (It's rather like its ridiculously expensive fuel surchage.)

Quoting Noelg (Reply 13):
BA confirmed that its sales staff were instructed not to tell customers in advance when they booked their tickets.

I wish all airlines - yes, most definitely including FR - would be crystal-clear in all respects in order for customers to have more information, rather than imperfect information, to make better-informed decisions.



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User currently offlineSpeedbird2155 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 879 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8832 times:

Quoting Noelg (Reply 13):
According to the Daily Telegraph, BA confirmed that its sales staff were instructed not to tell customers in advance when they booked their tickets.

I was watching Sky News last night and they were saying that BA were going to take cash on check in, and that they were keeping it from passengers until it actually happened, presumably to prevent people cancelling and going with someone else. Well now they've got the passengers by the short and curlies as they won't want to switch to anyone else now.

A bit sneaky really!

So sneaky that BA first advertised this in May last year, although implementation of the policy was later delayed. BA then announced in December 2006 that the implementation date for the plicy would be 13 Feb 2007. The information has also been posted on BA.com since that time. How this equates to 'keeping it from passengers' is beyond me.

The only reason people were not told was that there was a question over the implementation date. Since that was confirmed, we have indeed been advising passengers of the change. BA like all airlines has always charged for excess and this is just a revised policy which actually allows travellers to know before they arrive at the airport, what those charges are and also gives an opportunity to pre-pay and receive a discount.

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 3):
1st they stop Business Class travellers being able to take 2 bags into the cabin

BA has not stopped business travellers from doing such. The policy of the UK government is that travellers are only allowed one piece of hand luggage through UK airports. BA has to comply with this as do all airlines flying from any UK airport.


User currently offlineZarniwoop From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 265 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8829 times:

Quoting Noelg (Reply 13):
You said it yourself - £120 each way is £240 on a return flight.

When you put it that way, fair enough.

Quoting Noelg (Reply 13):
According to the Daily Telegraph, BA confirmed that its sales staff were instructed not to tell customers in advance when they booked their tickets.

I wouldn't be surprised. I was trying to get some info from BA about a different issue. I spoke to three people on the phone, each of them gave me a different answer, all of which were different to the policy stated on the BA website.


User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8790 times:

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 15):
BA has not stopped business travellers from doing such. The policy of the UK government is that travellers are only allowed one piece of hand luggage through UK airports. BA has to comply with this as do all airlines flying from any UK airport.

Thanks for pointing that out, I stand corrected.



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User currently offlineLGWspeedbird From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 459 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8785 times:

It just goes to show how rubbish the media are at times

Quoting Zarniwoop (Reply 5):
Excess baggage will be charged at a fixed fee per bag. The fixed fee is set according to whether the customer is travelling on a domestic (£30), shorthaul (£60) or longhaul (£120) flight.

Correct

Quoting Noelg (Reply 13):
BA confirmed that its sales staff were instructed not to tell customers in advance when they booked their tickets.

What a load of rubbish, Checkin agents have been giving out leaflets explaning the new baggage policy for months now.

To me this new excess baggage policy will simplify things for both the passengers and us staff, no more arguments over that few kilos of excess!!



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User currently offlinePyrex From Portugal, joined Aug 2005, 4059 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8724 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 14):
I wish all airlines - yes, most definitely including FR - would be crystal-clear in all respects in order for customers to have more information, rather than imperfect information, to make better-informed decisions.

The whole airline business model is dependant on making things as untransparent as possible to customers so good luck in that happening.



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User currently offlineTCXDegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 518 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8717 times:

Quoting Noelg (Thread starter):
Travellers on shorter international trips will face a bill of £120 and those on domestic journeys, £60.

When BA prepared to launch the new allowances and excesses last year, and annouced the fees in June/July, they stated for Domestics it would be £30 per bag, and savings by pre-booking online would take it down to £26 per return journey.

This new offline price is exactly the same as the fee they charge currently for domestics, at £15 per bag one way, as I paid this in December.



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User currently offlineBALAX From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8666 times:

Quoting Noelg (Thread starter):
British Airways is planning to add up to £240 to the cost of a return long-haul flight if passengers want to check in an extra bag.

Travellers on shorter international trips will face a bill of £120 and those on domestic journeys, £60.

The fees, which come in from Tuesday 13 February, will apply even if the combined weight of the two bags is below the allowance.

I don't know if the amount charged will be changed, but the new policy will be pushed back to the end of September yet again. This is to be more accommodating due to the impending strike that never took place but that managed to displace so many passengers.


User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12933 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8645 times:

Quoting LHRjc (Reply 3):
Surely this is a bit of a gamble, or do BA know something we don't, i.e. that others will follow ? If they don't, BA could be in some trouble here.

I would imagine they won't have too much difficulty getting others to follow. They know consumers look at the rates on-line first, and decide primarily based on that. Of course, the rates don't include all the taxes, and now, 'hidden charges' such as charging for bags. As predicted here on a.net, we should expect to see coin locks on the loos next.

If as stated above, these charges won't apply on US routes, then it would indicate that BA doesn't think its US competiors will be issuing a bag charge soon. I think it'll be interesting to see how long it takes for this to spread to the US. It's too clever an idea and too good a money-maker to not be under serious consideration at US airlines too.



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User currently offlineBongodog1964 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 3681 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 8640 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 14):
Those BA prices for a second bag are, of course, absurdly expensive. Has anyone yet paid it? (It's rather like its ridiculously expensive fuel surchage.)

If you do the maths its about the going rate for excess baggage (providing the bag is near the 23kg limit) £120 / 23 = £5.21 per kg. The last time I looked at published rates for excess baggage £5.00 per kg seemed to be the norm.

One additional advantage to BA of this new policy is that passengers who have extra baggage will tend to pre pay for it, which will then make airport check in easier. As passengers will be able to check in over the internet or use the machines thus reducing staffing requirements. Passengers paying at the airport for excess baggage is a bit of a pain as it slows things down.


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19258 posts, RR: 52
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 8620 times:

Quoting Bongodog1964 (Reply 23):
If you do the maths its about the going rate for excess baggage (providing the bag is near the 23kg limit)

How strictly will it be enforced? Say I'm in World Traveller and have 3 bags. 2 are fine. But I have a third. That third bag weighs 5.7 kilos. Would I have to pay 120 GBP for it at the airport (assuming I didn't pre-pay)? If so, that'd be 21.05 GBP per kilo.



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25 Bongodog1964 : Got it in one !!!!
26 BALAX : Assuming you're flying long haul anything in excess of 2 pieces will be charged at GB120. If you prepay online you get a discount. Intercontinental (
27 Speedbird2155 : The new policy hasn't been pushed back until September. The only aspect that has been extended is allowing passengers with more than 23kgs (but less
28 Pe@rson : Yeah, 120 GBP for per extra bag irrespective of weight (same maximum weight?). I understand that. But what if, say, you had two bags each weighing 12.
29 Noelg : I really don't understand BA's argument that charging £240 for long haul, £120 for short haul and £30 for domestic is simplifying things, particul
30 DigbyDude : As a frequent passenger on BA , almost 56 flights in 2006 alone, but still a blue member (because I try to always get the low fare, and so don't colle
31 Post contains images LHRjc : I wonder if the likes of PM Blair and other VIP's will be charged too. Of course, on one hand they can afford it, but on the other hand it was reporte
32 Door5Right : It seems you can still get away with a bag up to 32 kilos till Sepetember. "The new British Airways policy has a maximum bag weight of 23kg (51lbs). H
33 Sparklehorse12 : How can Airlines justify this????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Sometimes I wonder where greed will stop! QF wi
34 A3 : I am really surprised that a company like BA is using such cheap tricks to gain some money out of the people that are not frequent flyers. (cause fre
35 Post contains links LGW : This isn't new, VS already operate the same policy http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/gb...rmation/baggage/baggagebypiece.jsp For VS economy class :- T
36 JonnyWishbone : Great...as a hand baggage only passenger, I look forward to a £ 60 refund... NOT!
37 Post contains images LGW : No, but at least you get to bypass all the queues of people moaning they can't take 17 bags each to KIN
38 Elite : Time to use 1 big bag, then.
39 BALAX : At least for us in the states, the only thing changing is the excess baggage fee becoming one, I guess. The baggage allowance is already in place, at
40 Post contains images Beaucaire : With these tariffs it's cheaper to buy your wardrobe once on-site.. Works fine in Asia (specially Vietnam,where you can get a tailored suit for 50 £)
41 Pyrex : Do you think the anorectic model travelling to a show in New York should pay the same as the fat business guy travelling for a meeting? Or that the g
42 Aisak : Don't go that way or we'll end up sending everything as cargo. Passengers included
43 Ken777 : Time for some competition to step in and take away a bit of BA's business. The fees are more than a bit rich and I don't see them lasting - at least a
44 LGWspeedbird : Did you read the rest of my post and the thread read again!! £120 for Longhaul £60 for shorthaul £30 for domestics! So true!! Yup 1 big bag but it
45 Door5Right : It can until 30th September! It says so on the BA website: "To allow our customers to become familiar with our new baggage policy and weight limitati
46 Mush : They have to do something to pay for the shipping costs of sending the bags onward to wherever their passengers may have gone. haha...just kidding th
47 Post contains images Sketty222 : IMHO A lot of other airlines use BA as a precedent. Once BA introduce a policy then the other airlines bring the same thing in not too far in the fut
48 Post contains images LGW : That should read "So we don't pi$$ off our customers anymore after the problems caused by fog before Christmas, the loss of lots of bags at LHR and t
49 Door5Right : LOL - that did make me laugh out loud, Mr LGW!
50 Mennix : BA has Heathrow. BA has a new luggage policy. I can't see any reason to take any BA flight in the future. To tell the truth, there hadn't been too muc
51 LGWspeedbird : Reading my print out of the new policy v the old policy the only pax that are really going to be affected are World Traveller pax who will reduce by 1
52 Captaink : Good thing this is not the case on Caribbean flights. They are becominig very unpopular over here due to VS and even Excel Airways (who offers Excel O
53 Analog : From the BBC article and reflected in the BA policy: So the trick is to make your second bag a golf/ski/etc. bag. That way you can get around this rul
54 Silverfox : Pearson asked Yeah, 120 GBP for per extra bag irrespective of weight (same maximum weight?). I understand that. But what if, say, you had two bags eac
55 COEI2007 : It makes EI's bag policy a bargain! 2 bags for E8 if you pay online!!!
56 Silverfox : So BA offer of 2 bags FREE is worse than EI one of you paying to take luggage? Now thats Irish!!!!
57 Post contains images Sketty222 : Very well explained Lee
58 9VSIO : That does NOT look like the same policy to me...perhaps you can clarify?
59 LGW : The BA policy allows 2 bags in World Traveller (i.e Economy) to the US, Caribbean, Nigeria which is the same as Virgin's policy on these routes.
60 David L : Apart from the example of the elderly person preferring two small bags, what do people carry in a second or third checked bag? I've never had more tha
61 Noelg : Yes, each way!!! Which makes double that for a return flight!! I dread to think of the people connecting through LHR both ways with more than one bag
62 LGW : Many l/h destination's it's 2 bags, USA, Canada, Caribbean, Nigeria, Brazil etc (off the top of my head)
63 Mutu : Research has suggested this will not affect 98% of travellers, and I would think you rarely travel with more than 23kg to fit in one bag, so one chec
64 Mutu : Again I reiterate, read the facts on BA.com. I would be very surprised if you, Sparklehorse, will ever end up paying for bags on BA. BUt as for certa
65 Mortyman : Have BA lost all contact with ground level........................................... ?
66 David L : That's what I suspected. I'm far more concerned about fitting my usual plus a laptop into one carry-on bag that fits under the seat and, as explained
67 Silverfox : Lee, Thanks for the Thumbs up first time i have had it!!!
68 Sketty222 : No probs, keep the sensible responses coming and Im sure you'll get more Lee
69 Speedbird2155 : Anyone travelling through LHR and on BA all the way are actually pay less than if they are travelling on other carriers and the charges are clearly s
70 Blrsea : If the passenger's bags is above 23kg but less than 32 kgs, will they still be asked to pay the excess charge till sept? Or will it be waived till se
71 AJMIA : So the money you pay for your extra piece should more than cover BA's cost of having your bags delivered directly to your front door when they finall
72 Art : I can book Heathrow-Hong Kong-Heathrow in March @ £387.80 return including all taxes. That's if I take 1 bag. Taking 2 bags would increase the cost o
73 Post contains images Skyhigh : It is an extremely inflexible and unfair charge. I travel in a wheelchair and I travel regularly. When I travel, I need to take a lightweight, fold u
74 Beaucaire : The fairest way to charge weight would be to put each apssenger and his luggage on a balance and sum it up.. Finally what the aircraft has to transpor
75 AeroWesty : From what I recall, the IATA rate is 1% of the standard first class fare per kilo for being over the baggage weight limit (or at least it used to be)
76 Speedbird2155 : The policy is not inflexible and takes individual circumstances (such as yours) into consideration. I suggest actually finding out about the policy r
77 AeroWesty : Thanks for validating my sometimes shady memory on IATA rules. I do have to ask, however, do most travelers in Economy who fly from the UK to Austral
78 Speedbird2155 : Yes, the vast majority tend to travel with one bag, which is indeed a bit difficult for those of us who originate from or travel often to countries u
79 AndyEastMids : I think that this is an interesting move by BA... 1. Unlike Ryanair, FlyBe and the like where the charges are relatively low, in BA's case this isn't
80 LGW : Best post in this thread so far and one I totally agree with.
81 Cgnnrw : Then why not just make it easier by charging GBP25/back? Same results with less angry customers.
82 Door5Right : BA is back tracking like mad now over this luggage fiasco and the outrage expressed by charities for the elderly: From the latest press release: "Brit
83 Mennix : There is a lot of like "98% of the passengers are not affected" in this forum. Sorry for you guys, but this is pure nonsense. Whats about those mechan
84 Richierich : This agreement makes the recently introduced Spirit second bag fee look silly. I think BA are shooting themselves in the foot here, and rather than h
85 Art : Right. So BA is going to tell me whether or not it is clear to them whether I can comfortably carry a 23Kg bag. How exactly is BA qualified to judge
86 Kiramakora : Interesting. I disagree. If the excess baggage only applied to the minority, then a draconian move like BAs would surely not have system benefits, re
87 BALAX : Get off you horses. BA will ask you if you are suitable for lifting the bag. This bag is a CARRYON by the way. If BA asks you to lift it in front of
88 Kiramakora : I do think that a price differential of GBP 240 return - almost USD 480 is a big deal.
89 BALAX : Let me give you some examples where it is already about that amount from some points in the US. LAX to CAI is about 190 dollars. LAX to anywhere in t
90 Art : BA certainly does not want me to know what the policy is going to consist of, it seems... Why would BA tell staff to conceal their policy unless a) t
91 BALAX : [Edited 2007-02-10 00:07:14]
92 Art : That's the big deal.
93 Speedbird2155 : OK, time to correct this. In May 2006, BA started to advertise this change, with the aim of introducing it in October 2006. Information was released
94 Post contains images A340600 : I know you fly a lot, so surely you can understand this simple rule. And as for the blind-eye it's fairly obvious this is down to the individual at t
95 AeroWesty : Well, which is it then? In one example it says that flights to the US will be allowed two checked bags because of the governmental regulations, in an
96 BALAX : I think that means where govt regulations are applicable. Departing from the US to some destinations you have to pay for what?, where does it say tha
97 AeroWesty : That's the question I was asking you. You made this post, didn't you?
98 BALAX : Point I was trying to make was that currently the excess baggage fee is comparable to what it will become, at least to some destinations. What is bei
99 Post contains links AeroWesty : The figures you gave were entirely misleading, since BA is an IATA carrier, where 2 pieces are allowed under the weight system. For third bag charges
100 BALAX : It is all based on short haul and long haul routes once again. If you go to BA.com and make sure you read thoroughly , you will see that flights from
101 AeroWesty : I'm quite aware of the piece system, and I've read the thread and the new guidelines. It was disingenuous of you to completely ignore the fact that a
102 Post contains images Cusaeng : as "shocking" and "disgraceful" as it is its hardly new news. This has been public information as long as June last year. suddenly its happening next
103 BALAX : I did some research on LH and AF, BA's biggest competitors and it all seems rather balanced out, meaning, you may not get one thing on one carrier, bu
104 AeroWesty : Taking KL's rate for excess baggage (which honestly, looks on the high side, so it's probably a good example to use), if you wanted to take your IATA
105 BALAX : Why do you keep going to IATA? I just showed some comparisons of what seem to be the differences between some carriers and their baggage allowance, wh
106 Post contains links AeroWesty : BA is an IATA member. IATA develops standards for basic policies so that passengers generally know what to expect in exchange for their ticket price.
107 BALAX : You said carriers, so if you'd be so kind as to look at the carriers individually and then provide information based on their regulations, not IATA.
108 AeroWesty : Look, everything necessary to be said has already been spelled out clearly. If you don't get that BA is departing from the IATA norms that their majo
109 Silverfox : Westy, not wishing to get into a flamewar, but a guideline is just that It is not a writ in stone 'everyone must agree to it' rule In a nutshell BA po
110 BALAX : Someone finally got it. Good homework.
111 Speedbird2155 : HUH!!!??? those are not BA rules. The rules are simply: Thank you, you have just highlighted how confusing the current excess baggage system is and s
112 Art : From the BBC website: Until now, customers have been allowed to check in more than one bag as long as they did not exceed weight restrictions. The fee
113 Ozvirginuk : I think it's really important to make the differentiation here, that BA's new policy is mainly going to affect people travelling to destinations where
114 BALAX : Dude, you are obsessed with the £240. It all depends on where you are going. The BBC may not be reporting accurate information. You need to refer to
115 Speedbird2155 : Finally someone who gets it. At least it shows that people who actually look at the policy can see that this has been nothing more than the media try
116 Ozvirginuk : Firstly, Thanks! Secondly, the media exist to do just this... Doesn' t really matter what the topic is, you can trust them to blow it out of all prop
117 Silverfox : Speedbird2155 see my mail to you off line However what i dont know is the situation whereby someone flies to USA today with 2 x 32kg bags as is allowe
118 BALAX : Pax traveling to North America will still be allowed 2 pcs at 32kg each until the end of September.
119 Art : The whole picture is that travelling BA after 13th February, I may pay up to £240 above and beyond what I would pay today to take exactly the same t
120 ClassicLover : Oh please, calm down... I moved from Sydney to Dublin - yes - moved! I took one case (sure, it was 32kgs, but one case). I can go away for a week and
121 Post contains links LGW : Willie stands by the move ---> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/6349193.stm
122 Cgnnrw : A lot of comments about how silly, unnecessary it is for econ pax to check in two bags for a one week holiday. Then why is it necessary for first and
123 Post contains links and images AeroWesty : I quite understand that, however, eliminating part of the standard and claiming it's "better for all" and few will be affected adversely is just plai
124 BALAX : KL/AF have a comparable concept. Just checked out the infamous site and my understanding is that "some" long haul flights operate under the pieces sys
125 AeroWesty : I truly don't understand why everyone keeps going on about this. As been stated numerous times before, certain areas are covered under the piece syst
126 ANother : Whatever the rational - this is proving to be a PR disaster for BA and their CEO. The media loves this kind of issue - Doesn't matter that WW says tha
127 Art : BA has said passengers unable to carry one bag would be exempt from the fees but it did not say how people would be assessed. "Where it is clear that
128 Speedbird2155 : Hmmm, who's being daft?? You provide a link, make a claim and then when challenged, can't rely on that link to back you up, but have to then find ano
129 Post contains links Blrsea : It is the same on Lufthansa airlines too. For countries other than N America, Japan, West Africa, the following is applied as per weight system.
130 BALAX : I'm trying to understand what Westy is trying to say , can someone help?
131 Silverfox : Art, BA have anounced that in order to put the onus on the customer as to whether thay can lift the bag or not,and absolve the Check in any possible l
132 Post contains images Art :    Sensible idea. Removes the uncertainty of the rule being applied in a haphazard manner by Check in. I have no doubt that you have offered a clea
133 Shamrock_747 : Most of BA's revenue comes from full fare paying premium passengers - they will have a three bag allowance so it's not likely they would choose to sw
134 Jouy31 : Well, I am Gold on BA and Plat on AF. My company rules often force me to travel full fare Y in Europe. Now, I usually do not exceed the baggage allowa
135 Speedbird2155 : While this is a valid concern, the only way to standardise the excess charges and move away from the system of charging excess per kg, was to impose
136 Silverfox : Jouy31, forgive me, but why take two bags less than 23kg than 1 thats less than 23kg? after all its one less bag to carry?
137 Art : For some people, it is necessary. For others it is more convenient. Those points have already been made in previous posts. Ryanair charges £7 per ba
138 Jouy31 : Well, that's a good question, and I am just talking about my case, which is different from the difficulties elderly people can face; for me, I've fou
139 Silverfox : Jouy Fair point, The roller one?.... will it fit into the gauge? or will the other fit? Either way if they fit and wieigh less than 23kg, the 'second
140 Jouy31 : Thanks. Unfortunately, I already have my laptop as a carry-on.
141 Silverfox : Put your lap top inside the carry on one? Only trying to help
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