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User currently offlineDC10rules From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 99 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3946 times:

I was wondering why the winglets are not portrayed on the aircraft on all WN literature, ticket envelopes, website etc.

It is in the new paint scheme after all.

Dumb but curious nonetheless.

Cheers!

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3943 times:

Because it really dosn't matter


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3749 times:

Becase we're not goingto spend money just for that change by itself.

Eventually, everything gets updated and/or re-designed, and when that happens, updated photos and artwork will be used.


User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3739 times:

This will be the downfall of Southwest.


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3717 times:

Quoting C680 (Reply 3):
This will be the downfall of Southwest.

That plus having too many of the baggage carts and tugs stull painted in the old colors....


User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4898 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3710 times:

Who says they're 737-700's? They could be the -300's or the -500's.


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4152 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3691 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 4):
That plus having too many of the baggage carts and tugs stull painted in the old colors....

I don't think I've ever seen any equipment in the old colors...


User currently offlineBoeingPride800 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 430 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3686 times:

Im sure it will be added in the future. Southwest has certainly identified themselves as a big "wingletter". The 737s look so sharp.

And for the unpainted tugs, baggage carts, etc...I think it adds something. The gold colors with the blue just remind everyone of the Southwest they knew when it started, and the Southwest they know now.


User currently offlineEmSeeEye From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 508 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3666 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 6):

I don't think I've ever seen any equipment in the old colors...

Head to HOU. You will see some of it there.


User currently offlineWN57787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3623 times:

Quoting EmSeeEye (Reply 8):
Quoting HPRamper (Reply 6):

I don't think I've ever seen any equipment in the old colors...

Head to HOU. You will see some of it there.

Head to PHX,RDU,LAS,MDW any number of WN Citys and you will still see some of the old Colors, and or see some of the old Logo's


User currently offlineBoeingguy1 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3592 times:

Quoting EmSeeEye (Reply 8):
Head to HOU. You will see some of it there.

I might be the only one here, but I preferred the old colors to the new one... Canyon Blue just dosent sit right with me.



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User currently offlineAirTranTUS From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3555 times:

Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 5):
Who says they're 737-700's? They could be the -300's or the -500's.

Isn't WN planning to retrofit some of the -300's with winglets? They could go for winglets on the -500 like CO is for some, but the average stage length would have to justify it.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 4):
That plus having too many of the baggage carts and tugs stull painted in the old colors....

Well, if they were blue, they may get mixed up with AA's. Wouldn't want that.


User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3501 times:

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 11):
Well, if they were blue, they may get mixed up with AA's. Wouldn't want that.

Canyon blue is totally different color from AA blue GSE.

WN can get mixed up with the new UA Blue GSE, which has similar tone.

DH on the other hand had an Indigo Blue color for GSE.



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3486 times:

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 11):
Isn't WN planning to retrofit some of the -300's with winglets?

The first one, N368SW was due out of AAR at IND on Monday the 5th...

[Edited 2007-02-09 05:52:39]

User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4863 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3364 times:
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Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 5):
Who says they're 737-700's? They could be the -300's or the -500's.

The newest logo, the one with the blue 737, is a 737-700. Compare the wings to those on the logo with the old colors jet.

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 6):
I don't think I've ever seen any equipment in the old colors...

Come to SAN or SJC. Pretty much all equipment at both stations is in old colors.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 13):
The first one, N368SW was due out of AAR at IND on Monday the 5th...

So I can expect to see one at SAN for the first time on...lets see...October of this year?  Wink



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User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3509 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

Because after a careful cost benefit analysis, Southwest executives concluded that the added efficiency provided by the addition of winglets to their ticket envelope fleet wouldn't be worth the required investment.


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User currently offlineAlexPorter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3275 times:

Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 14):
Quoting NWADC9 (Reply 5):
Who says they're 737-700's? They could be the -300's or the -500's.

The newest logo, the one with the blue 737, is a 737-700. Compare the wings to those on the logo with the old colors jet.

Specifically those things which operate the flaps (not sure what they are called) are painted red in the logo, which means the plane portrayed is a 737-700. Now that the -300s are apparently going to be getting winglets, the red flap-mover-things are going to become the easiest way to identify a plane as a 73G rather than a 733.


User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4863 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3188 times:
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Quoting AlexPorter (Reply 16):
Specifically those things which operate the flaps (not sure what they are called) are painted red in the logo, which means the plane portrayed is a 737-700

No, the entire wing on the logo is that of a 737-700. The old logo showed the extension of the engine pylon that extends to the rear of the wing. The new logo shows the correct layout (not just the color) of the flap fairings of the 737NG wing.

Wow, this discussion is a bit silly isn't it?



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User currently offlineSEAdomer787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 115 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2989 times:
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Quoting Silver1SWA (Reply 17):
Wow, this discussion is a bit silly isn't it?

What's even sillier is I've asked myself the same question about the logo before... I figured it would have to wait another major brand update though. Fortunately the 73G's started dominating the fleet right around the same time WN revamped their image, so changing the graphic from a 733 didn't necessarily add any cost. The whole winglet craze hit just a little too late.


User currently offlineTVNWZ From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 2415 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2902 times:

The Wright amendment prohibits it until 2010. Then they can show just one plane with Winglets until 2011 when they can show all their planes with winglets.  Smile

User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2874 times:

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 6):
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 4):
That plus having too many of the baggage carts and tugs stull painted in the old colors....

I don't think I've ever seen any equipment in the old colors...

BOI as well.

Also,on the safety card, it is non wingletted -700. Canoes are orange, so it is not 'supposed' to be a -300. Maybe the new Ford, blue -700.



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User currently offlineERAUgrad02 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2698 times:

When do the first winglets go on the -300's? Guys its easy to tell the difference from the -700. tail isnt as tall on -300, engins have flatter bottoms because it sits lower. Flap tract fairings come to a point vs the -700 re sqaured off. Come on it's easy. I wonder if theyll cover up the small windows above cockpit like on -700s as well. we can only wait. But back to the main question... WHEN...lol.


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 11):
Isn't WN planning to retrofit some of the -300's with winglets?



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 13):
The first one, N368SW was due out of AAR at IND on Monday the 5th...



Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 21):
When do the first winglets go on the -300's?


User currently offlineChris133 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 303 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2676 times:

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 21):
When do the first winglets go on the -300's

The first two 733W are being retro fitted as we speak, the first being n368. Not sure when they will come back to service


User currently offlineRikkus67 From Canada, joined Jun 2000, 1684 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2579 times:

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 10):
I might be the only one here, but I preferred the old colors to the new one... Canyon Blue just dosent sit right with me


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Hey BoeingGuy.... although I have gotten used to the Canyon Blue... I think my take on it (even if just for "Silver One"...and no, not really trying to plug myself) might have a nice look to it!



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User currently offlineSilver1SWA From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 4863 posts, RR: 25
Reply 25, posted (7 years 10 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2529 times:
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Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 21):
When do the first winglets go on the -300's? Guys its easy to tell the difference from the -700. tail isnt as tall on -300, engins have flatter bottoms because it sits lower. Flap tract fairings come to a point vs the -700 re sqaured off. Come on it's easy. I wonder if theyll cover up the small windows above cockpit like on -700s as well. we can only wait. But back to the main question... WHEN...lol.

Yes, it is easy. But this isnt really a discussion about the differences, we are talking about the old and new logos. The new logo has the -700s characteristics you describe.

And we have many -300s with the eyebrows plugged.



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