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User currently offlineSWAFA27 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 49 posts, RR: 1
Posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12546 times:

Announced at the SWA OAK Message to the Field!! More details to come!!!


ALL views, opinions expressed are mine ONLY and are NOT representative of those shared by Southwest Airlines Co
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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4707 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12561 times:

I wonder if it has to do with increased interest from F9 and Virgin America at SFO, and also B6 using OAK....


Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12504 times:

Odd. Will wait for confirmation before further comment. But it seems WN is going after UA. First it goes to DEN, and now to SFO, both UA hubs, both markets they left.
Very interesting.

-Copa


User currently offlineGarri767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12503 times:

Woohoo for WN! i wonder what will happen to their OAK operations  scratchchin 

User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5705 posts, RR: 29
Reply 4, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12508 times:

Not surprised. This has been something I'd expected for a while. Since they left before, their business model has changed in regards to the congested airports. My question is: When do they go into JFK/EWR/LGA?

-Dave



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12509 times:

Quoting SWAFA27 (Thread starter):
Announced at the SWA OAK Message to the Field!! More details to come!!!

While I don't want to sound patronizing, you should be very careful what information you reveal about your employer. If this pans out, you would appear to have leaked what could be a major development, and very few employers like leaks...


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12506 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 4):
My question is: When do they go into JFK/EWR/LGA?

I'm actually more suprised they haven't taken a stab at MSP, a larger DTW footprint, or even ATL. SFO was probably the second to last airport I thought WN would re-enter anytime soon.*

*- provided there is any truth to this rumor

[Edited 2007-02-09 05:38:17]

User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5705 posts, RR: 29
Reply 7, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12477 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 5):
While I don't want to sound patronizing, you should be very careful what information you reveal about your employer. If this pans out, you would appear to have leaked what could be a major development, and very few employers like leaks...

If nothing else, it would likely make sense - if you are an employee and are going to post information about your employer - to take your name out of your personal profile.

-Dave



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6784 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12481 times:

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 2):
Odd. Will wait for confirmation before further comment. But it seems WN is going after UA. First it goes to DEN, and now to SFO, both UA hubs, both markets they left.
Very interesting.

UA hubs: ORD, SFO, IAD, LAX, DEN
WN corresponding locales: MDW, OAK/SFO, IAD/BWI, LAX/ONT/BUR.., DEN

I think WN has UA pretty much covered..



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12479 times:

Any guess at their first cities?
I'd say ONT, GEG, LAS, PHX, SAN, PHL, and a Florida city.

-Copa


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5705 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12483 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
I'm actually more suprised they haven't taken a stab at MSP, a larger DTW footprint, or even ATL. SFO was probably the second to last airport I thought WN would re-enter anytime soon.

True, MSP has seemed like a logical spot for them to go. ATL? I guess after the AirTran buyout they'll have plenty of gates.  Smile

-Dave



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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1619 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12449 times:

Better watch those LGA slots. Had DL and US gone through and the combined company were required to give up/sell/lease slots, WN would be a major player at LGA. Lots of "ifs," but it would have happened.

It's just a matter of time. JFK or EWR. Something is going to happen in NYC.

M


User currently offlineN200WN From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 784 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12449 times:

Get out of the city I don't believe it...

You are you joking right? I don't think any new city announcement has ever been done at a message to the field. However, nothing would surprise me these days. If so, certainly trying to head off Virgin America, and maybe the new AS and F9 service to SoCal.


User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12450 times:

To be honest, I wish WN would stay out of SFO.


John@SFO
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12448 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
SFO was probably the second to last airport I thought WN would re-enter anytime soon.

..that got me wondering also.. scratchchin 

I would expect to see LGA before SFO...

..ORD would be probably one of the last airports (along with JFK and DFW) I would see WN landing at....



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineSWAFA27 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 49 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12449 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 5):
While I don't want to sound patronizing, you should be very careful what information you reveal about your employer. If this pans out, you would appear to have leaked what could be a major development, and very few employers like leaks...

WN has over 32,000 employees, kinda hard to keep secrets.



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User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5705 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12416 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 6):
*- provided there is any truth to this rumor

Good point. This could all be, well, an error. But it's a juicy one.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 9):
I'd say ONT, GEG, LAS, PHX, SAN, PHL, and a Florida city.

GEG seems unlikely, at least early on. LAS, PHX, sure. MDW? BWI? BNA? Or maybe DENVER?

-Dave



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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1619 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12417 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 5):
While I don't want to sound patronizing, you should be very careful what information you reveal about your employer. If this pans out, you would appear to have leaked what could be a major development, and very few employers like leaks...

WN would not have a "Message to the field" that they would not want spread around.

Anything that needs to be kept a secret would not be told to a bunch of flight attendants and pilots.

M


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12414 times:

Quoting Legacyins (Reply 13):
To be honest, I wish WN would stay out of SFO.

You and me both, I'd rather see Virgin America get a stab at things.

-Copa


User currently offlineGarri767 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12414 times:

Quoting SWAFA27 (Reply 15):

WN has over 32,000 employees, kinda hard to keep secrets.

i still suggest removing your name from your profile, just in case.  Smile


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5705 posts, RR: 29
Reply 20, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12382 times:

Quoting SWAFA27 (Reply 15):
WN has over 32,000 employees, kinda hard to keep secrets.

You don't want it to go to 31,999 over a message board post, though.

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 17):
Anything that needs to be kept a secret would not be told to a bunch of flight attendants and pilots

All the more reason to question this entire (fun) thread.

-Dave



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User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 997 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12383 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 10):
ATL? I guess after the AirTran buyout they'll have plenty of gates.

WN can tango with other LCC.

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 9):
Any guess at their first cities?
I'd say ONT, GEG, LAS, PHX, SAN, PHL, and a Florida city.

I think we should all tap the brakes for a moment. Rumors are rumors until proven accurate.


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5705 posts, RR: 29
Reply 22, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12364 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 21):
I think we should all tap the brakes for a moment. Rumors are rumors until proven accurate.

Ya, I'm starting to feel like a lemming.

-Dave



Next Trip: SEA-ABQ-SEA on Alaska
User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12364 times:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 21):
I think we should all tap the brakes for a moment. Rumors are rumors until proven accurate.

Guesses. I'm just speculating this incase this info is true. If not, its all for naught.

-Copa


User currently offlineUnitedNRT From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 284 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (7 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12333 times:

Quoting SWAFA27 (Thread starter):

UA had "let go" several on this board for posting certain things in the past, I would think WN is the same.



"...That's a lovely name. My name's Milton; Milton Ettenheim, but my friends call me Bubbles."
25 ChiGB1973 : I don't doubt that WN said it to their employees at all. WN loves some type of hype going on. Assigned seating, international flights, IFE, meals, bu
26 Post contains images SWAFA27 : Good point, I've removed my name from my profile   Although in such a big venue as a "Message" it would be very hard for a couple of hundred WN empl
27 Post contains images OPNLguy : I heard we might starting up BPT...
28 WN57787 : I have heard WN starting service in MSP,CLT,RIC or even service in to some whare in FL. so untill it is office you never know whare WN will start Serv
29 OPNLguy : Maybe even DET too, like DET-BPT....
30 HPAEAA : don't forget IAD!!!! they'll have all the big domestic UA markets covered... don't forget WN tries to maximize flight time... out of SFO there are le
31 FCYTravis : Another WN employee has posted this on FlyerTalk. Could be announced as early as Friday.
32 Post contains images Garri767 : true. but whos to say they cant trim the number of employees leaking that info to the outsiders
33 Post contains images FATFlyer : Maybe this means FAT?
34 Pe@rson : An unrelated point, but could someone please tell me how slot-constrained and delay-prone LAX, a very busy airport, is? LAX is WN's 8th most-served ai
35 JayDub : Grrrreat...let's add a few more airplanes to the mix in SFO on GDP days like today.
36 FCYTravis : LAX does not have slots.
37 Post contains images KELPkid : How about TCS? Then you could have the TCS-BPT-DET dream flight
38 Jacobin777 : ..true, but they did pull out of SFO due to weather delays, etc....that being said, they already have about 42% of pax share out of SJC and 61% pax s
39 Lexy : I'm gonna agree with this. This is the typical start-up markets for WN and all are major connecting points in their routing system. It only seems lik
40 Copaair737 : Would SFO-FLL be possible? -Copa
41 N1120A : LAX is neither slot-constrained nor delay-prone. The layout and weather mean that the airport has some of the best airfield capacity in the world.
42 Laxintl : LAX does not have slots and is actually one of the least delay prone airports in the country. According to DOT stats it ranked #5 out of the top 31 a
43 FCYTravis : Probably not. WN currently does not have any nonstop service from Northern California to anywhere in Florida. You're talking scraping-the-bottom-of-t
44 Post contains images Pe@rson : Thanks. A well-explained answer.
45 Copaair737 : true. I would expect an SFO-FLL route to come from B6, AA, or US. -Copa
46 N1120A : Not really, and the CASM is excellent because of the stage lengths. CA-Florida yield is not like NE-Florida yield.
47 FCYTravis : B6 flies OAK-FLL once daily.
48 ScottB : WN going into SFO is an interesting rumor, but it goes against the statements management was making over the past several months about a new city in 2
49 FCYTravis : If there was much money to be made on it, I'd have expected WN to start OAK-MCO long ago. WN has no non-stop CA-FL flights at all, in fact. Closest t
50 N1120A : Remember, WN has 2 problems. 1) The aircraft they would fly would be the smallest in the market and 2) it would go against their general policy in al
51 FCYTravis : PHL also has transcons to OAK and LAX. But your general point is true. Two 757s and a 767 isn't really "a hell of a lot of capacity" when you conside
52 Silver1SWA : Well I can't say anything concrete. I was not at the "Message". But, I can say I got flooded with text messages a couple of hours ago regarding this
53 Stealth777 : from what I remember was that WN left SFO because of the weather issues we have here and how it will mess with their schedules. I would be very surpri
54 B6WNQX : Could this possibly be why they only announced 10 additional flights? In their past announcements they announce numerous new routes/flights. Sparks my
55 BrazilExPat : Not rumor anymore! Just posted on our internal website. Its true folks!
56 Barney Captain : Friday, February 9, 2007 SWA Announces Intent to Return to SFO Southwest today announced our intent to resume service at San Francisco International A
57 SANFan : I feel, like many others, that this will turn out to be an unfulfilled rumor. For one thing, I would expect if WN did return to SFO, it wouldn't be a
58 SANFan : Boy do I look stupid! (That'll teach me to check for new posts before posting my own...) Well, welcome back to the Golden Gate, Southwest! I can't wai
59 QXatFAT : I think WN should stay out of SFO as well. There will be a lot of action going on at SFO then and thats tons of more traffic going out with WN's ideas
60 QXatFAT : Also forgot to add, if WN goes into SFO they would be adding a flight MDW I would think. How will this look with their partnership with AirTran Airway
61 Copaair737 : I hope they add a SFO-TUL flight. That way I can fly to TUL n/s to do my fundraisers for Gary Bauer with the Rotary Club. TUL-SFO....Let's Make it Hap
62 Cjpark : Political favors being called in? Remember the new Speaker of the House is from San Francisco.
63 Post contains links WN57787 : WN is Returning to SFO Early Fall 2007 http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...9&&dist=bigchartssymb=LUV&sid=4554
64 SeeTheWorld : I wouldn't say political favors being called in, but it sure doesn't hurt WN politically in the future since the Speaker is from San Fran.
65 Jacobin777 : I assume you meant TZ?
66 Chase : This doesn't make sense, given that TZ just moved from SFO to OAK to allow connection traffic from WN...
67 Junction : Now if they would resume IAH, all of the large markets would be restored from past pullouts.
68 ERJ170 : So here are the questions I am asking.. *How does this affect F9's SAN-LAX flights? I'm sure WN will come in with at least 4x daily SFO-LAX.. *How wou
69 Post contains links FATFlyer : Here is the San Francisco newspaper coverage this morning, it should be no registration. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...?f=/c/a/2007/02/09/BUG
70 Lumberton : Goodbye Virgin America. Maybe Branson can ally with Skybus and hub out of Columbus?
71 ChiGB1973 : Combining their resources will make the airline last twice as long. There are several reasons for B6 and WN to start service at SFO, but one of them
72 LGAtoIND : Wow, I must say I was surprised when I heard this through my Rapid Rewards email. Anyway, what is funny is who would have thought last year that both
73 Burnsie28 : How much longer till United, and the rest of them decide to slow down their taxi speed a bit.
74 DfwRevolution : You can say that again. This isn't 1978. WN doesn't perform 20 minute turns anymore.
75 ADiZzy : Hey....Didnt b6 just do this?
76 Ssides : I've always liked WN, enjoy flying them, and admire their business model. However, if it's true that they're re-starting SFO (after launching PHL, DEN
77 SJCRRPAX : Yes to a certain extent, but I suspect because of landing fees the SFO flights will have a slight premium. I am also expecting mostly non residents t
78 ERJ170 : Anyone think that WN or UA will finally at RDU-SFO service since there are over 600 daily pax between RDU and the BAY area? Or perhaps someone out of
79 SJCRRPAX : Pretty soon you guys will be the biggest city without WN. Fresno, the only city I know that gets less respect than San Jose. Horizon should bring in
80 Surfdog75 : It'll be interesting to see how things go for SWA in the future. They had a very large competitive advantage for a very long time with costs much lowe
81 Post contains links and images Cpharris5514 : Well, the story was just posted in the Commercial Aviation News section a few minutes ago. Here's a direct link: http://www.dentonrc.com/sharedconten.
82 Skoker : Those subscribed to the Rapid Report should have found out this morning (my apoligies if this was already posted)
83 MaverickM11 : I'm curious how successful they really are at DAL; I think if they had to start over quite a bit of the DAL service would not exist. At least with re
84 S12PPL : Everyone's forgetting little 'ol PDX. I'd expect PDX to be in the mix for their first markets out of SFO.
85 FlyDeltaJets87 : It's definitely true. I just received an email from Southwest (sent out to all Rapid Rewards Members) announcing their (re)entry into the SFO market.
86 DCA-ROCguy : How much longer till United, and the rest of them decide to slow down their taxi speed a bit. Has US done this at PHL? If so, it certainly hasn't driv
87 Post contains images SWAFA27 : One can wonder that when this was officially announced that the folks over at UA and Virgin America both said "CRAP!!!!"
88 QXatFAT : Yes sorry. I always cant figure out what name is which. Thanks for correcting me. Yes Fresno is overlooked a lot. But, WN might be interested more no
89 Post contains images KELPkid : I'm sure both UA and AS would take that very seriously. Got to admit, I've never really unserstood the typical Portlander's affinity for the legacies
90 OPNLguy : You won't be seeing SFO-DAL for another 8 years or so....
91 SeeTheWorld : Narrow that list down since they will only be starting with 14 flights. And, aren't they maxed out at LAX. I'm not convinced LAX will be one of the i
92 FCYTravis : WN has never and will never open a city with that many destinations. Nor are they likely to serve such short intrastate hops as FAT-OAK/SMF. Again, w
93 FATFlyer : Getting closer. When WN stayed away from the large airports FAT was near the top of potential midsized markets. Right now, depending upon how you def
94 ScottB : Well, part of the problem with DFW is that the airport just dropped around $2 billion on facilities that have absolutely no benefit to WN (the SkyLin
95 FATFlyer : In previous discussions with Fresno, WN seemed to be interested in short hops out of FAT like to LAX and/or OAK along with longer flights. 2 simple r
96 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : I've often heard WN terminated service at SFO because of congestion delays often caused by marine fog moving in from the pacific ocean. Although the t
97 SANFan : I still stand by remarks I made earlier in this thread: And of course there's F9's recent build-up in SFO to think about as well. If indeed WN is goin
98 OPNLguy : True, and that's back when SFO had only ILSes on 28L and 28R. SWA doesn't do RNP quite yet, but one thing that's helped the delay situation since we
99 IAHFLYER : HOU anyone!!!
100 FCYTravis : Southwest pushes 142 flights through 11 gates at OAK. They could push more at LAX if they want. Anyone who doesn't think WN will go for SFO-LAX in th
101 Ssides : Very true. I've often thought the same thing for markets such as MAF, LBB, AMA, CRP, TUS, LIT, and BOI. Excellent point. That is a very good argument
102 FCYTravis : Perhaps - but then they'd be admitting very public defeat on an issue that has smoldered for decades. This is a very public political victory for WN
103 DesertAir : It will interesting to see where the focus of WN will be in SFO. It would be interesting if they only ran cross country flights and did not the enter
104 Swatpamike : Hello All I have been wanting this for more than a year. Cheers swatpamike
105 Post contains images JetBluefan1 : Within the last month SFO has picked up new service from B6 and now WN. Virgin America must be pissed. JetBluefan1
106 ScottB : I (and probably others) would be utterly shocked if WN didn't fly intra-California from SFO. If they can squeeze the flights in, LAX, SAN, and BUR ar
107 AirlineFanatic : I think NYC does pretty well without WN (wouldn't be a big deal if we never saw them at LGA, JFK or EWR). We are well covered by majors and LCCs. As f
108 Mariner : Whoa. I am assumming you mean SFO-LAX because SFO-LAS wasn't flying in October. But SFO-LAS is doing well and will get a second flight in April.[Edit
109 Post contains images SANFan : OK, then maybe you can explain to me why WN never got into the SFO-LAX market in the period between 1982-83 (when they opened their first California
110 ScottB : Yes, mea culpa; I should have been more clear. SFO-LAS doesn't yet show up in the statistics. Actually, it was to LAS if you read the news release. B
111 MtnWest1979 : Only difference is that WN inherited BOI and TUS, unlike the others mentioned. As for success here (BOI) it seems that they hold their own over all e
112 Post contains images DfwRevolution : Are you kidding me?? DFW offered WN free rent! Perma-ban this user
113 Bicoastal : I don't believe so. United has a vast international network out of SFO. Same goes for IAD and the Chicago and Denver markets. Its domestic market is
114 Post contains links ScottB : Ask and ye shall receive: http://www.transtats.bts.gov/airport...se,%20ID:%20Boise%20Air%20Terminal WN has a lead of about 5% in market share over QX
115 FCYTravis : All of you forget something: WN is not the carrier it was back in the 1980s. WN is no longer a niche carrier. WN is no longer the little LCC trying to
116 Mariner : When did SFO become a "focus city" for Frontier? mariner
117 FCYTravis : Whatever they want to call their point-to-point ops from SFO, the point is, I really doubt they're going to last very long. Especially with WN coming
118 MtnWest1979 : Thank you!
119 AirStatDFW : They do work a lot with AA, but the airport offered free rent to WN, adversting, ground eqiupment, and new chairs in the waiting areas. To tell you t
120 Mariner : A year or so ago, Mike Boyd said that was going to happen at DEN. But if Southwest is intent on taking out their smallest competitor at SFO, perhaps
121 SANFan : I agree 100% with you Scott and that was my point with FCYTravis, who implied that it was a given that WN would enter SF-LA a.s.a.p. They didn't then
122 SANFan : Yet in the late 90s and early 2000s they still hadn't grown SFO at all. You can't convince me that they didn't have lots of opportunities to get into
123 Post contains images HPAEAA : I hardly call it sniveling submission.. the reality is AA is refocusing the mainline fleet at DFW, their keeping their presence at DAL with MQ... I t
124 LHPDX : I hope southwest will fly to PDX from SFO...................
125 AirRyan : FWIW, as per the new Wright Amendment compromise I believe WN is to invest $200m was it to upgrade DAL terminal - I agree, it's a not the best lookin
126 FCYTravis : Apples and kumquats. One is WN entering a market that F9 has well-covered, and the other is F9 entering a market that WN more-or-less owns. WN didn't
127 Mariner : Southwest owns SFO? mariner
128 FCYTravis : Is a bit of semantic grammar-quibbling the best you can do to contest the fact that Southwest by far dominates the Bay Area-Southern California shutt
129 Post contains images ScottB : I cannot argue with your timetables as they are ultimately the true historical record, but I can say that I am jealous and wish I had my own copies!
130 Mariner : Oh, why not? You have made some fairly sweeping, aggressive (and in one case inaccurate) statements. As to "the best I can do", I have already agreed
131 Post contains images Lightsaber : Me too... but there is an argument about "growing from strength." At SFO WN is grabbing a customer base that has already heard about them... a lot! M
132 FCYTravis : I have made aggresive statements because people on Airliners.net keep underestimating Southwest and blindly stating that because WN did something one
133 Apodino : To me this move makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. They already have service into the Bay Area into OAK and SFO (And Bart serves OAK, which is actu
134 B52murph : What's the likelyhood of BWI? Do the -700s have the range?
135 Mariner : By denigrating the competiton, however small, aren't you doing exactly what you accuse others of? Generally, this move to SFO is perceived to be good
136 Post contains images OPNLguy : If the -700s can do OAK-BWI, I think they can go an extra mile or two further and do SFO-BWI... (That's operationally-speaking; I have no idea whatso
137 Post contains images SANFan : Apology: although I still haven't found a 1983 WN Flight Sked in my collection, I did find indications on the web that apparently WN DID in fact star
138 Post contains links FATFlyer : I don't have anything that old in my collection either so I did some online checking. Here is a route map from February 6, 1983 showing flights from
139 PlanesNTrains : I think many on here would agree with that sentiment. AA and NW have been very aggressive in taking on the LCC scurge when it comes their way. DL scr
140 FCYTravis : "Denigrating the competition?" I'm doing no such thing. I'm pointing out a fact that should be obvious to just about anyone - Frontier's hopes of sur
141 Mariner : That is not how you phrased it. Something about a focus city being doomed before it started? Well, (a) what focus city and (b) what doomed? One route
142 ScottB : Honestly, I think that Frontier's presence on SFO-LAX and SFO-LAS is a far lesser consideration for WN than UA & AA on the former and UA & US on the
143 Mariner : I agree. That is precisely my point. ??? mariner
144 Cjpark : Bogus argument! Southwest pays for extras it does not use at other airports. If that was true why did they compromise? Something was better than noth
145 Luvfa : Stop Beating the horse its dead already!
146 Luvfa : While SFO surprised me a little, seeing what we have done during the "Gary Kelly era", nothing is beyond our reach. In 2001 the airport was delay pron
147 Wedgetail737 : I tend to agree. The WN effectively put the larger carriers out of service on the California corridor routes. UA Express flew 146's for quite a while
148 Post contains images FCYTravis : I still find it fitting that WN's ops in OAK are in the terminal originally designed and built for PSA/AirCal intrastate shuttle ops. Sort of a "passi
149 Cjpark : Not quite dead yet, there are still pending lawsuits. Be a gentleman next time and let the people quoted answer.
150 SJCRRPAX : I think we will see a slight reduction in PAX loads and maybe a few dropped flights from busy routes like to SAN. Same applies to SJC. One thing to m
151 Coronado990 : My guess for flights... 4 flts: SFO-SAN 4 flts: SFO-LAS 4 flts: SFO-PHX 2 flts: SFO-ABQ-DAL 3 flts: SFO-MDW
152 SCCutler : Actually, for most passengers, SWA has a higher level of service and comfort than the "legacy" carriers; on long-haul flights, their "snack pack" is
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