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38th Anniversary Of First 747 Flight Today!  
User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3503 posts, RR: 10
Posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7592 times:

The first flight of the 747 took place 38 years ago today at PAE. Cheers, yes?


Next Flight: 9/17 BFI-BFI
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User currently offlineAlphafloor From Chile, joined Jun 2004, 1277 posts, RR: 40
Reply 1, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7569 times:



Yes it's the first 747 flight anniversary. I discovered this back in 2002, when I looked about specials events that occured this day. February 9th is very special to me as this is the day I became a father. My son Ewan was born that day and now when I ask him "Do you prefer the Super-Jumbo or the Jumbo?" he replies "The jumbo! I want to fly it in the hump!"... Happy birthday Ewan!

[Edited 2007-02-09 09:50:39]


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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7552 times:

I remember the first 747 I ever saw . . .

It was at SEA, and it was a NW bird. Landing from the north. I was probably 11, maybe 12 years old. After living in AS Air Limited (Kenya)">SE Alaska for years and seeing the biggest thing in our area, generally an AS 727-100 - unless in my small hometown, then it was a Twin Otter or a PBY Catalina (with the rare occasional DC-3) I couldn't believe the size of the thing.

Congrats to the 747 . . . .

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Thread starter):
Cheers, yes?

Definitely  yes 


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5652 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7531 times:

Quoting Alphafloor (Reply 1):
Happy birthday Ewan!

Happy B-day indeed!

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
I remember the first 747 I ever saw . . .

I think mine was either a TWA 747-100 or 747SP.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Thread starter):
Cheers, yes?

Most definately...

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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7525 times:

1969: Boeing successfully tests its new 747 jumbo jet.

As commercial air travel boomed in the 1960s, the need for a plane capable of handling more passengers than Boeing's reliable old warhorse, the 707, became obvious.

But the technology of jet-engine design was changing rapidly, too, and the feeling was that any new aircraft built using existing subsonic engines would soon be made obsolete by planes capable of supersonic flight.

So the 747 was designed to be easily convertible to hauling cargo, which Boeing believed would ensure its long-term sustainability.

The first plane rolled out on September 30, 1968, less than three years after Pan Am had signed the letter of intent. Development costs to that time were said to exceed $1 billion plus the cost of the new plant. The first flight took place on February 9, 1969, a little past the target date of December 17, 1968



Flight tests between February and December revealed several problems, the most significant with the engines, which were underpowered for the increase in weight and size that had occurred since earlier designs. The engine problem hadn't been solved by the time the plane entered service in January 1970, and airlines experienced one delay after another because of engine troubles.

At one point early in 1970, Boeing had some 30 planes parked at its plant that could not be delivered until Pratt & Whitney had corrected the deficiencies of its JT-9D engine. It took a year before the engine problems were solved. In the meantime, too little money was coming in, the country was experiencing an economic recession, and new orders were drying up. The company almost went broke.



Configured for commercial passenger service, the original 747-100 could carry more than twice as many passengers as the 707, between 366 and 452. It was propelled by four Pratt & Whitney high-bypass turbofan jets and designed with a number of redundancies and backup systems to ensure maximum safety of the aircraft. The first 747 entered commercial service with Pan American Airways in 1970.

In the end, commercial supersonic flight proved a bust, for various financial, environmental and technical reasons. The 747, meanwhile, expected to be obsolete after 400 were built, surpassed 1,000 aircraft in 1993 and, with several series modifications, remains in production to this day.



http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,72575-0.html?tw=wn_technology_1
http://www.centennialofflight.gov/es...ay/Aerospace/Boeing_747/Aero21.htm


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7511 times:



Maiden flight from PAE, February 9, 2007 (Boeing)



Mount Rainier looming over the Flight Test flight line at Boeing Field - May, 1969. Visible in the photo are the first 747, the first 737, and the Dash 80. (Boeing)


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7477 times:

Quoting Keesje (Reply 4):
Flight tests between February and December revealed several problems, the most significant with the engines, which were underpowered for the increase in weight and size that had occurred since earlier designs. The engine problem hadn't been solved by the time the plane entered service in January 1970, and airlines experienced one delay after another because of engine troubles.

At one point early in 1970, Boeing had some 30 planes parked at its plant that could not be delivered until Pratt & Whitney had corrected the deficiencies of its JT-9D engine. It took a year before the engine problems were solved. In the meantime, too little money was coming in, the country was experiencing an economic recession, and new orders were drying up. The company almost went broke.

Some of this is true of course, some of it pure urban legend. Let's add some historical context to more fully and accurately recount what really happened.

The ramp-up of 747 production was not in actuality at the core of Boeing's financial distress at the time. In reality, the severe business set-back/contraction Boeing Commercial Aircraft suffered in the early-seventies was mostly attributable to the cancellation of the American SST program, and an economic recession in the North American economy which hit the airline industry particularly hard, leading to a severe decline in orders, as well as order cancellations, across all product lines. In fact, so many people left the Puget Sound region to look for work elsewhere because of job cuts at Boeing, that two local real estate agents put up a billboard reading "Will the last person leaving Seattle — Turn out the lights."



Boeing delivered 96 741s to 17 customers/operators by December 31, 1970, which was 1-year and 1-day after the 741 achieved type/production certification on December 30, 1969. Additionally, Boeing had delivered a cumulative total of 165 741s & 742s by December 31 1971, which was more than the total order backlog for the 747 program of 158 units at the time of the 747s (RA001) maiden flight on February 9, 1969. It would be interesting to know which, if any, deliveries in the queue were delayed for up to one-year (a common misconception/urban legend)?

IMO, Boeing's Joe Sutter and the "Incredibles" (the legendary 747 design, engineering, and production team) ability to deal with adversity and deliver 165 747s between December 1969 and December 1971, despite severe problems with the JT9D engine, which wasn't at bottom an engineering or management failure attributable to the "Incredibles," was a major contributing factor in the company's ultimate recovery. In the end, it was likely Pratt & Whitney that bore the brunt of the financial penalties associated with the early versions of JT9D.

Happy Anniversary Joe & Co.  bigthumbsup 


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7445 times:

IMO the definitive recounting of 747 story is "747 - Creating the World's First Jumbo Jet and Other Adventures from a Life in Aviation" by Joe Sutter (with Jay Spencer), published last year.



Randy Baseler has published a couple of interesting interviews with Mr. Sutter in his blog.

http://www.boeing.com/randy/archives/2006/08/index.html



Messrs Sutter & Baseler, Summer 2006

[Edited 2007-02-09 13:12:09]

User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3098 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 7373 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 6):
Boeing delivered 96 741s to 17 customers/operators by December 31, 1970, which was 1-year and 1-day after the 741 achieved type/production certification on December 30, 1969. Additionally, Boeing had delivered a cumulative total of 165 741s & 742s by December 31 1971, which was more than the total order backlog for the 747 program of 158 units at the time of the 747s (RA001) maiden flight on February 9, 1969. It would be interesting to know which, if any, deliveries in the queue were delayed for up to one-year (a common misconception/urban legend)?

IMO, Boeing's Joe Sutter and the "Incredibles" (the legendary 747 design, engineering, and production team) ability to deal with adversity and deliver 165 747s between December 1969 and December 1971, despite severe problems with the JT9D engine, which wasn't at bottom an engineering or management failure attributable to the "Incredibles," was a major contributing factor in the company's ultimate recovery. In the end, it was likely Pratt & Whitney that bore the brunt of the financial penalties associated with the early versions of JT9D.

Thanks for setting the record straight.....the 747 is truly the queen of the skies....and there is no king as of yet... smile 

Just realised that its almost 35 years since my own first flight on a 742....


User currently offlineJogales From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 437 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7328 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 7):
IMO the definitive recounting of 747 story is "747 - Creating the World's First Jumbo Jet and Other Adventures from a Life in Aviation" by Joe Sutter (with Jay Spencer), published last year.

Definitely! I just finished reading that book and I learned a great deal about how the 747 came to be. A very worthwhile read IMO

We also can't forget the 727... it's first flight was February 9th 1963. It was a coincidence that the 747 first flew on the same day. The first flight was originally slated for December 17th, but the 747 wasn't ready yet. Eventually, a new date (the 9th) was set for the first flight. As the 9th grew nearer, someone realized that the 747 would be flying on the anniversary of the 727's first flight.

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 6):
despite severe problems with the JT9D engine

Boeing test pilots were having trouble with the engines surging which sent long trails of flame out both ends of the engine and made a very loud bang. P&W was reluctant to put the money and time necessary into the engine to get the problems ironed out. The engineers at Boeing were getting frustrated with this, so finally they took some P&W execs up in the 747. The pilots surged two of the engines on purpose and this freaked out the P&W people. After that flight, more time and money was put into the JT9D program!

Josh



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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7299 times:

And we will enjoy the 747 for at least 30 years more ! And with my favorite airline my future employer !! (I hope so  Smile)

 cloudnine 


User currently offlineSCAT15F From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 402 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7250 times:

Still my favorite! I will never forget my first flight on a NW 742 in '87 to Narita and then on a NW 744 ferry flight from Detroit to MSP in '94 Big grin

-Jon


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5652 posts, RR: 24
Reply 12, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 7236 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 5):
Visible in the photo are the first 747, the first 737, and the Dash 80. (Boeing)

I always think this was Boeing's engineering heyday with this pic, the 707/747 comparison pic, and pics of the 741's first flight.



Next trip: SLC-DEN-SLC-PHX-JFK-LAX-SLC with my wife and oldest daughter. F9 to and from DEN, US to JFK, AA 321 and CR7
User currently offline747LUVR From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7212 times:

Here Here...a great day in history....Will Boeing have any 40th Anniversary plans? I hope so.....  birthday   champagne 

User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7196 times:

Quoting Leelaw (Reply 5):
Maiden flight from PAE, February 9, 2007

What a silly gaffe on my part.  embarrassed  Hope I haven't authored a new urban legend for the "Queen" to live down.  banghead 


User currently offlineOznznut From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7179 times:

I'm really dating myself with this. But I also remember my first 747 flight. I was stationed aboard a destroyer in Athens Greece. In the summer of 1972 I flew home to Columbus Ohio on leave. ATH-JFK on a TWA 747-131. Stopped in Rome but can't remember which airport. JFK-CMH on a TWA Convair 880. Its been so long ago, but for some reason the flight number seems to have been 840/841. Can someone confirm that from ancient history.
Dave


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5652 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7149 times:

Quoting Oznznut (Reply 15):
ATH-JFK on a TWA 747-131.

TWA 840/841 was the JFK-ATH flight operated USUALLY by a 747-100. Youre not dating yourself with this, I have taken this pairing so much, my last flight was just a few days before TWA terminated ATH service. In the 80's though TWA would switch the equipment sometimes with either a 767-200ER, or a 747SP. Towards the end my last few flights were on 767-300's.



Next trip: SLC-DEN-SLC-PHX-JFK-LAX-SLC with my wife and oldest daughter. F9 to and from DEN, US to JFK, AA 321 and CR7
User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10677 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7132 times:

Cheers to the greatest airplane ever!

And: Happy flying for the next 38 years!


User currently offlineNomadic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 429 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7082 times:

Quoting Oznznut (Reply 15):
I'm really dating myself with this. But I also remember my first 747 flight

I guess I have the same age problem..lol

My first flight was spring, 1970. My dad was a TWA dispatcher based at JFK. For a 'family outing' we used passes to fly on a newly delivered 747 from New York to Chicago. The flight was only 1/3 full and the near empty cabin looked HUGE.

nomadic :?)


User currently offlineTeneriffe77 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 468 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7064 times:

The 747 is very special to me because when my mother came to the US in 1975 it was on a Pan Am 747.

User currently offlineAf773atmsp From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 2662 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6990 times:

Almost every day in the summer a NW 744 will scream over my house. I hope to fly on the 747.


It ain't no normal MD80 its a Super 80!
User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6983 times:

Not a day goes by when I wonder why I never had the privilege of flying on a Boeing 747. I hope that one day I'll have the chance.

Here's to the Boeing 747, the one and ONLY Queen of the Skies!  champagne 

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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5652 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6920 times:

Quoting Nomadic (Reply 18):
The flight was only 1/3 full and the near empty cabin looked HUGE.

I remember one of the 747SP flights having a few empty rows in theback so my mom took me there and I thought i wason a bed bigger than my own!! I was oh...4-5 yrs old I believe at the time.



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User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25111 posts, RR: 22
Reply 23, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6896 times:

It's one of my favorites too. I've been lucky to have flown on 747s of quite a few carriers and on every model (100/200/300/400 and SP) since my first 747 flight LAX-HNL in April 1970 on Pan Am, 3 months after the 747 went into service (probably a few months prematurely considering the chronic engine problems and frequent delays due to various issues involving the early P&W JT9D engines).

My last 747 flights were last month AMS-MEX-AMS on KLM 744s. There's still something about a 747 that sets it apart from everything else, and 38 years after its first flight, it's still the fastest airliner of all since Concorde was retired. Other 747s I've flown in the intervening 37 years:

Air Canada, CP Air, Canadian, Wardair, TWA, United, Northwest, British Airways, Lufthansa, Sabena, Swissair, Iberia, Alitalia, South African, Qantas, Air New Zealand, JAL, Cathay Pacific, Aerolineas Argentinas.


User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5478 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (7 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6867 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 2):
I remember the first 747 I ever saw . . .

Me too! It was back in '71 at the airport then known as Friendship International Airport! Back then at the beginning of the "Me Decade," we were considered the also-ran! IAD was growing leaps and bounds and getting all the glamor flights. DCA had been accepting jets for five years so the politcos could make a quick exit for their trysts. And, there we were, 45 miles Northeast up I-95! This bird was a Pan Am clipper and it used a gate on the North side which is now Concourse E. From the main roadway you could see the tail towering over the terminal!

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25 WN230 : Yes, yes I agree with you 100%. And when the A380 enters service, the 747 will always be the queen of the skies and the only jumbo I'll want to fly.
26 Zippyjet : I agree with you, the 747 is the Queen; however, I'd never turn down an opportunity to fly on a 380 or for that matter any other A, B. or MD wide bod
27 Post contains images LTU932 : While I also would fly on the A380, MD-11, DC-10 et al given the chance, there's still no denying that the 747 will continue to be the Queen of the S
28 B52murph : Can anybody place a date to that video (it's fantastic!)? My first guess was mid-late '90s, but the permission of smoking pre-dates the '90s by a bit
29 Post contains links Leelaw : On December 31, 2006, in a 24-page, 15-article special section: " Boeing's 747: An Engine Of Change," the Everett Herald took a look at Boeing's 40 ye
30 QantasA333 : My first flight aboard a Boeing 747-400 occurred on the last day of Feburary last year, flying QF. The plane is just magnificent. Boeing 747 4ever!
31 Post contains images 747400sp : That was a great video!!!!
32 Post contains images PanAm747 : Agreed!! In the summer of 1975, when I was nine years old, I got the chance to see "Airport '75" at a drive-in in Lamar, MO...I couldn't have cared l
33 LTU932 : The caption on Youtube says that it's a safety video dating from the late 80's to early 90's.
34 Post contains images Flyboyseven : I have never flown on a 747, but i have walked around frame #1 at the Boeing Museum of Flight. It is amazing how such a large plane is so graceful, on
35 WesternA318 : That safety video was done when those safety cards were introduced fleetwide in 1991. I used to have that memorized everytime hopping on 840/841 to/fr
36 PanAmOldDC8 : Wonderful aircraft the 747, my first flight was the first flight from London to New York on Pan Am as I worked for PAA in those days. A long time ago
37 PanAmOldDC8 : The first Wardair picture was the aircraft I took the kids on to BGI in 1983, thank you so much for posting it, brings back a lot of very happy memor
38 Halls120 : My first airplane flight ever was on an AA 747, LAX to JFK. June 1971. Very, very memorable.
39 Post contains images Baron52ta : Isn't it the 25 anniversary of the RB211 some time this year, many a 74 has been pushed round the skies by this venerable piece of technology in one f
40 IFlyTWA : Thank you for posting that.
41 RedFlyer : That is a great video! Thanks for posting. Is it me or does that safety video seem a lot more intelligent and thorough than the ones we view today, w
42 Post contains images WestJetYQQ : The 747 is absolutely the most beautiful and elegant aircraft of all time! I was so happy when I learned about the 748, and that the 747 was still to
43 Post contains images DavestanKSAN : Yes!!!! Congrats on 38 years 747!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wow, that's a great description. Save the fact that I didn't see a PanAm 747, I thought exactly the
44 Post contains images ORDRyan28 : My God.. it's truly astonishing to see how far the 747 family has come. Not only from the -100 variant to the -400, but onto the -800. I'm glad Boeing
45 Post contains links and images SmithAir747 : The one and only time I've ever been on a 747 was when I flew JFK-MAD return in 1994, on a TWA 747-131. It was also the first one I ever saw in person
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