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BOG - El Dorado Will Be Rebuilt.  
User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4373 posts, RR: 12
Posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2274 times:

The government has taken the decision to torn down the current terminal and build a new domestic terminal in its place (but bigger, it will start from the main parking lot), along with the new international terminal in the north side and the other planned upgrades:

http://www.eltiempo.com/tiempoimpres...ULO-WEB-NOTA_INTERIOR-3430398.html

The airport´s operator, OPAIN, is more than pleased with the decision.

Even though the building is a city landmark, it´s over 50 years old, doesn´t have sismic resistance and is very small for the volume of passengers that the airport will handle in 10 years, and even more, in 20. Good decision.

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User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2252 times:

Hi!

I think that's a great idea, BOG need to spread out wisely and that will bring some more traffic to this country and this region. When I was there although it was not really cahotic I could notice that the place was starting to get quite packed, but controlled. With this step BOG will give a much better welcome to those that arrive to Colombia. I did like the way CLO looked, a nice, fresh with lot's of space airport, with nice shops, nice views to the runways.
Regards


User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2214 times:

IMHO, Bogotá should build-up Villavicencio and then have a 2nd airport to share the airtraffic.


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User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2376 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

I am very glad it will be demolished. The current BOG has been renovated several times and it is still small, aged and cramped. A new renovation wouldn't have been the right solution.


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User currently offline777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 2135 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 3):
I am very glad it will be demolished. The current BOG has been renovated several times and it is still small, aged and cramped. A new renovation wouldn't have been the right solution



Quoting RCS763AV (Thread starter):
Good decision.

Couldn't agree more.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 2):
IMHO, Bogotá should build-up Villavicencio and then have a 2nd airport to share the airtraffic.

Why?? I think investing in BOG is more than enough. Villavicencio is only 2hrs (or less) away in a very nice highway, but one of the biggest clients for BOG are travellers (both business and leisure) and flowers, which are grown a few kms away from the airport. i don't see how an airport 2 hrs away from the city will improve service to both pax and cargo. Also I don't think flower growers will be very happy to send their porduct that far while they just have the airport only a few minutes away........Sorry, but I don't see it working in the next 30 years, specially when Villavicencio has a really SMALL traffic, not even enough attracting surrounding cities, which IMO, won't add much if none, traffic at all.

Quoting CV990 (Reply 1):
I did like the way CLO looked, a nice, fresh with lot's of space airport, with nice shops, nice views to the runways.

I'm glad you liked it. CLO is my hometown, but I really hate how the airport looks......I just think it looks so old (ugly old) and so unfriendly.....but I you liked it, I guess I'm just a bit too critic about it.


Cheers

JAAH



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User currently offlineClo1973 From Colombia, joined Apr 2006, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

I read in a local newspaper, that due to BOG expansion, Avianca will have to relocate its maintenance base. The article stated that AV´s choices are Cali or Barranquilla.

Does anyone has more info on this?

Apart from my own wish that AV relocates the maintenance base to Cali, I think the logical (and economical reason) would be just that. Either Cali or Barranquilla´s airport has the space and infrastructure to accomodate the maintenance base, but Cali is already Bogota´s alternate airport and ferrying planes from the maintenance base to the hub would be way cheaper (30 minutes flight time from CLO to BOG versus 60 minutes flying time from BAQ).


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 1981 times:

Quoting Clo1973 (Reply 5):
Avianca will have to relocate its maintenance base. The article stated that AV´s choices are Cali or Barranquilla.

any chance for MDE? They should have still plenty of space



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

Are these the buildings?
Will the improvements extend to the concourses as well?


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User currently offline757MDE From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 1753 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1885 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 4):
I'm glad you liked it. CLO is my hometown, but I really hate how the airport looks......I just think it looks so old (ugly old) and so unfriendly.....but I you liked it, I guess I'm just a bit too critic about it.

I was in CLO a week ago and I liked it.
The outside architecture didn't catch my eye and yes, it looks quite old, but once inside I felt quite good.



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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1882 times:

Wow maybe another for LH to return to BOG .

User currently offlineCoal From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 1945 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1874 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 7):
Are these the buildings?
Will the improvements extend to the concourses as well?

Basically the idea seems to be to build a whole new airport. Either way, the refurbishment plan did call for a face-lift of the whole thing (main bldg, concourses, cargo area, etc).

What will happen to CATAM? And will the airport remain in the same area or will it be moved a bit? I just can't see in my head how they will build a brand new airport in the same location without major disruptions to the operations. AV's Puente Aereo and its maintenance base are already cramped, so is the cargo area, and not to mention the slums located next to the airport (Fontibon, Engativa, etc).

Cheers,
Coal



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1829 times:

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 4):
Why?? I think investing in BOG is more than enough. Villavicencio is only 2hrs (or less) away in a very nice highway, but one of the biggest clients for BOG are travellers (both business and leisure) and flowers, which are grown a few kms away from the airport. i don't see how an airport 2 hrs away from the city will improve service to both pax and cargo. Also I don't think flower growers will be very happy to send their porduct that far while they just have the airport only a few minutes away........Sorry, but I don't see it working in the next 30 years, specially when Villavicencio has a really SMALL traffic, not even enough attracting surrounding cities, which IMO, won't add much if none, traffic at all.

I meant Villavicencio for LCC and Open Skies á la CTG/ADZ, so those airlines that want extra-frequencies to the Great Bogotá Metropolitan Area must fly there. Aslo, last I heard, Villavicencio Airport is 75 mins from Bogotá; Please, confirm this.



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User currently offlineJfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8091 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1796 times:
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I last went through El Dorade in 2000, it had been great improved, real covered Jetways, since my last visit 18 years before. I wonder if turning the present terminal into either a purely domestic or international terminal and building a "new" terminal for the other purpose would be better. Av has its shuttle terminal so its El Dorado services are purely the international ones, SAM and the other domestic airlines do use the domestic half of ElDorado. International flights are how many? Iberia & AF to Europe, AA(3), DL , AC and Cal(2) to north america, Five AV flights to the USA and one daily to Madrid. then the locals like Copa , Lan and Aerolinieas Argentinas. Not the greatest number flight to spend a hundred million dollars for a new passenger terminal. Build more cargo if that is the demand is but between the shuttle for Avianca and the El Dorado terminal for all other flights I would spend the money on a new airport in cartagena, the present one next to the ocean surrounded by slums is purely a disgrace to what is Colombia's main tourism destination.

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1784 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
Iberia & AF to Europe, AA(3), DL , AC and Cal(2) to north america, Five AV flights to the USA and one daily to Madrid. then the locals like Copa , Lan and Aerolinieas Argentinas.

you forget all the extensive LatinAmerican network of AV

4 x daily CCS
1 x daily GRU
4 x weekly EZE
3 x weekly SCL
10 x weekly LIM
3 x daily UIO
1 x daily GYE
1 x daily MEX
2 x daily PTY

+ do not forget the TA, LR flights + AirPlus flights to MAD, just some weeks ago there was still the MAD flight of AirMadrid, the BCN service of Avianca.....



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User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2376 posts, RR: 27
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1778 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 11):
75 mins from Bogotá; Please, confirm this

Yes, Villavicencio is 90Kms from BOG (About 60 miles) which means about 75 minutes away with the new road.



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1767 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 14):
Yes, Villavicencio is 90Kms from BOG (About 60 miles) which means about 75 minutes away with the new road.

intresting didnt know that, before the "new" road it was a really long trip from BOG upto Villavicencio... and very dangerous.



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User currently offlineTope98 From Venezuela, joined Dec 2005, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1751 times:

yeah i agree BOG must be improved. It looks like a great plan. BOG deserve a much moden airport.

Saludos


User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2376 posts, RR: 27
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 15):
intresting didnt know that, before the "new" road it was a really long trip from BOG up to Villavicencio... and very dangerous

Right now is a very nice road trip actually, and it shortened the time to a third of what it was using tunnels and viaducts.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
I wonder if turning the present terminal into either a purely domestic or international terminal and building a "new" terminal for the other purpose would be better.

The current terminal was proposed to be left for domestic operations only and build the international concourse, but due to the fact that the current terminal is too old (built on the 50s) major renovations will still not make it suitable for the increasing demand of domestic travelers. It was just decided to rebuild it, and believe me, they made the right decision.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
Av has its shuttle terminal so its El Dorado services are purely the international ones, SAM and the other domestic airlines do use the domestic half of ElDorado.

Dont forget that SAM (MM) is part of AV, so MM also uses the suttle terminal. None of AV's (including MM) domestic flights uses the main terminal. The domestic operation at BOG currently consists mainly of Aerorepublica, Satena and Aires flights.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
International flights are how many? Iberia & AF to Europe, AA(3), DL , AC and Cal(2) to north america, Five AV flights to the USA and one daily to Madrid.

BOG currently handles one of the highest amounts of passengers and cargo loads in the region. You also forgot CO, MX, VX, VG, Air Plus and AV to Barcelona and Alicante and AV to the USA are more than 5 daily, remember, LAX, FLL, JFK and MIA with more than one daily plus all AV flights to the continent (CCS, LIM, UIO, SCL, EZE, GRU, etc...)

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
then the locals like Copa , Lan and Aerolinieas Argentinas. Not the greatest number flight to spend a hundred million dollars for a new passenger terminal. Build more cargo if that is the demand is but between the shuttle for Avianca and the El Dorado terminal for all other flights

US$650 million will be spent in both cargo and commercial facilities and services.

The Airport will stay in the same place, but with major movements. The current terminal will be replaced for the new domestic terminal. The cargo and AV's domestic terminal will be replaced for the new International terminal. All cargo operations will be moved to the south part of the terminal (bottom of the pic) along with a new regional terminal.

Plans: Top of the pic, the international concourse.
To the left, the current terminal, which appears here- on the proposal pictures-, renovated for the domestic operations, but it will now be demolished but the new one will carry the same purpose as it was proposed.

Some other pics:

1. The "El Dorado" Avenue with a boulevard with flowers and trees as a welcome message to Bogota.

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/2907/aeropuertoeldorado002s1lp.jpg


3. In front of the domestic terminal:

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/8117/aeropuertoeldorado001s1vn.jpg


4. Access way to the airport covered with light weight and translucent structures.

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/8215/aeropuertoeldorado003s1bg.jpg


5. Electric stairs surrounded by trees and flowers:

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/5494/aeropuertoeldorado004s5zl.jpg

[Edited 2007-02-10 18:50:32]


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User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2376 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1728 times:

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
I would spend the money on a new airport in cartagena, the present one next to the ocean surrounded by slums is purely a disgrace to what is Colombia's main tourism destination.

I agree that CTG needs a little work, but is not a "disgrace" as you put it.


Besides, on 2006 US$10 million were invested and this year another US$30 million will be invested in renovations.

CTG website: http://www.sacsa.com.co/

[Edited 2007-02-10 18:57:50]


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1721 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 17):
BOG currently handles one of the highest amounts of passengers and cargo loads in the region. You also forgot CO, MX, VX, VG, Air Plus and AV to Barcelona and Alicante and AV to the USA are more than 5 daily, remember, LAX, FLL, JFK and MIA with more than one daily.

sadly VX is long gone Ricardo.... and what airline do you mean with VG?



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User currently offlineRICARIZA From Colombia, joined Apr 2005, 2376 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 19):
sadly VX is long gone Ricardo.... and what airline do you mean with VG?

OOPS, sorry, I meant VH and RG. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Edited 2007-02-10 19:00:46]


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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 21, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1704 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 20):
OOPS, sorry, I meant VH and RG. Thanks for pointing that out.

 Big grin

too sume up.... BOG has a lot of international traffic... only what is left some more europe destinations... but I am sure they will come soon



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User currently offlineBogota From Colombia, joined Sep 2004, 775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1648 times:

Quoting RICARIZA (Reply 18):
Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
I would spend the money on a new airport in cartagena, the present one next to the ocean surrounded by slums is purely a disgrace to what is Colombia's main tourism destination.

I agree that CTG needs a little work, but is not a "disgrace" as you put it.


Besides, on 2006 US$10 million were invested and this year another US$30 million will be invested in renovations.

That is an old picture of Cartagena, all the access to the airplanes is now covered by a quite nice Puente Aereo style walkways and arriving at night is really nice as runway style yellow lights in the corridors and flood lights in the garden lead you to and from the aircraft.


User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4373 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1584 times:

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 2):
Bogotá should build-up Villavicencio and then have a 2nd airport to share the airtraffic.

What a wonderful idea..........NOT

Quoting Stirling (Reply 7):
Are these the buildings?
Will the improvements extend to the concourses as well?

Themain building is the main terminal (yes, both concourses) it will be torn down and the new terminal will start being built in the parking lot.

Quoting Coal (Reply 10):
What will happen to CATAM? And will the airport remain in the same area or will it be moved a bit? I just can't see in my head how they will build a brand new airport in the same location without major disruptions to the operations.

Again, the new domestic terminal will be built starting in the parking lot, so its not required to demolish the current and start building.

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 11):
Aslo, last I heard, Villavicencio Airport is 75 mins from Bogotá; Please, confirm this.

Yes, its 75 minmutes away. But we already have 2 soon to be 3 runway El Dorado (in which they will invest 650m dollars) for traffic and Guaymaral for GA. We don´t need a third airport.

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 12):
International flights are how many? Iberia & AF to Europe, AA(3), DL , AC and Cal(2) to north america, Five AV flights to the USA and one daily to Madrid. then the locals like Copa , Lan and Aerolinieas Argentinas. Not the greatest number flight to spend a hundred million dollars for a new passenger terminal. Build more cargo if that is the demand is but between the shuttle for Avianca and the El Dorado terminal for all other flights I would spend the money on a new airport in cartagena, the present one next to the ocean surrounded by slums is purely a disgrace to what is Colombia's main tourism destination.

Gosh. The cargo will also be rebuilt, please read the master plan before you post. BOG handles about 5 times more international flights than what you just said, so please be a bit more accurate, and yea, the new terminals are needed as currentle 8.5m pax are passing through Puente Aereo (10 gates) and the main terminal which has a total of 20 gates. So it´s getting kinda cramped.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 13):
10 x weekly LIM

11x

Quoting Avianca (Reply 13):
1 x daily GYE

2x daily


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 24, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1582 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 23):
11x

sorry....

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 23):
2x daily

but 1 nonstop or... the other one via UIO?



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25 RCS763AV : 1x daily MD-83 5x weekly F-100 All non-stop (the F100 flight goes to daily seasonally)
26 Tavong : Villavicencio is at least 2.5 hours from Bogota when you exit the city.....the mean time would be 3 hours, cause that the VVC/BOG airport plan was fo
27 RICARIZA : That's good! I heard about that, but I haven't been in Cartagena in the last 12 months. I will go soon though.
28 CV990 : Hi! Indeed it looks like a great investment and very nice for the future of BOG and also Colombia! I hope that 747 on the 2nd. picture comes one day t
29 757MDE : We hope that it returns! Because it's been in BOG several times already
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