EI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6724 times:
Just wondering as it is still mentioned on www.boeing.com
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The new SkyLoft area on the upper deck of the 747-8 Intercontinental gives operators the choice between additional main-deck seats or the opportunity to create a unique passenger experience through personal suites, a lounge or a business center
I wonder how it would affect the aircrafts CASM, ranges and payload.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26697 posts, RR: 83 Reply 1, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 6707 times:
I imagine it has been.
It would increase OEW and payload (more seats on the main deck), both of which would reduce range. The OEW increase would raise CASM, but the extra payload would then lower it back again.
PC12Fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 2236 posts, RR: 5 Reply 2, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6578 times:
I would agree, but I know Boeing has the philosophy of if the customer want it, they'll do it. I think this could possibly be the case for the few BBJ748's that were sold.
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Jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7335 posts, RR: 52 Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6578 times:
Quoting EI321 (Thread starter): 747-8 Skyloft Idea Been Officially Dropped Yet?
Don't know. Has the inflight swimming pools, gambling casinos, and massage parlours on the A380 been dropped yet?
EI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6556 times:
Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 3): Quoting EI321 (Thread starter):
747-8 Skyloft Idea Been Officially Dropped Yet?
Don't know. Has the inflight swimming pools, gambling casinos, and massage parlours on the A380 been dropped yet?
Swimming Pool?, oh dear another myth EK are apparently putting in showers though.
The other two, well guessing you have not been on a VS 744 lately, those masseuse girls can work wonders. I believe that it is Mr Richard Branson who has promised gambling and massages on his fleet, but then what would he know
SCAT15F From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 402 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6286 times:
Quoting A342 (Reply 6): I feel LH could place part of the galley there - or just store carts.
I agree- In fact I would not be surprised if the "firm" configuration for the 748I is for 479 seats.
EI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6222 times:
Quoting CM767 (Reply 9): From the start the galley option was the only one with a chance, I believe that airlines would go for it.
Theres confusion whether its even being offered any longer.
Quoting SCAT15F (Reply 8): Quoting A342 (Reply 6):
I feel LH could place part of the galley there - or just store carts.
I agree- In fact I would not be surprised if the "firm" configuration for the 748I is for 479 seats.
I have not seen it mentioned in press releases from either LH or Boeing regarding the LH order. I think this is a sign that these aircraft wont have lofts, as the idea was one of the selling points Boeing was originally touting and they would be trying to give it some publicity.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26697 posts, RR: 83 Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6185 times:
Quoting PC12Fan (Reply 2): I think this could possibly be the case for the few BBJ748's that were sold.
I imagine the suites below the ceiling are larger and more luxurious then the ones they can put above the ceiling.
Still, might be a good place to keep the staff from underfoot.
474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 10 Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5997 times:
Quoting EI321 (Reply 4): Swimming Pool?, oh dear another myth EK are apparently putting in showers though.
Since Airbus had all kinds of problems routing electrical wiring. Imagine what they will up against with the water pipes and drains that will be required for showers?
The new SkyLoft area on the upper deck of the 747-8 Intercontinental gives operators the choice between additional main-deck seats or the opportunity to create a unique passenger experience through personal suites, a lounge or a business center
I wonder how it would affect the aircrafts CASM, ranges and payload.
I think this was always in the same category as the A380 swimming pools and bowling alleys. Good media/PR, but not really for the masses.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5902 times:
The thing about all this that one should really pay attention to is that the 748I will have LAX-MEL-LAX range even loaded to its max structural payload, so range loss really isn't an issue if they decide to use the wasted space on the sky loft concept. Personally, I think at least some of it will end up as crew rest.
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HB88 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 809 posts, RR: 32 Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5878 times:
Quoting N1120A (Reply 15): The thing about all this that one should really pay attention to is that the 748I will have LAX-MEL-LAX range even loaded to its max structural payload, so range loss really isn't an issue if they decide to use the wasted space on the sky loft concept. Personally, I think at least some of it will end up as crew rest.
I'd have thought that if payload/range wasn't an issue, it would end up with the fate of any spare space on a long-haul aircraft - jammed to the max with fare-paying seats. Or is the space completely impractical for pax?
Pygmalion From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 931 posts, RR: 38 Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5837 times:
It was always just an option not a standard fixture. As such, its up the the airline if they want it or not.
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25852 posts, RR: 79 Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5780 times:
Quoting HB88 (Reply 16): I'd have thought that if payload/range wasn't an issue, it would end up with the fate of any spare space on a long-haul aircraft - jammed to the max with fare-paying seats. Or is the space completely impractical for pax?
If that was the case, lots of aircraft would have more seats in them. Comfort on an aircraft drives up yield, which can make a less dense aircraft more profitable. As far as the space in question, it is not as if Boeing has made some sort of provision to drill holes for windows, so it is not as if they will be able to put regular seats up there. Like I said, it will likely end up as crew rest for most carriers.
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EI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5632 times:
Quoting 474218 (Reply 13): Since Airbus had all kinds of problems routing electrical wiring. Imagine what they will up against with the water pipes and drains that will be required for showers?
Its comes as a self contained modular unit, like a toilet. Everything is built in.
DL_Mech From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1761 posts, RR: 10 Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5401 times:
Quoting EI321 (Reply 19): Its comes as a self contained modular unit, like a toilet. Everything is built in.
Including the water supply and drain system?
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Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26697 posts, RR: 83 Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5255 times:
Quoting DL_Mech (Reply 20): Including the water supply and drain system?
Potable water is not an unknown thing on an airliner, and shower systems are not unknown to BBJs and ACJs, so it shouldn't be too much of a brain twister for them to figure out how to connect the shower to the plumbing of a seperate potable water system.
Cusaeng From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 143 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4880 times:
Quoting 474218 (Reply 13): Quoting EI321 (Reply 4):
Swimming Pool?, oh dear another myth EK are apparently putting in showers though.
Since Airbus had all kinds of problems routing electrical wiring. Imagine what they will up against with the water pipes and drains that will be required for showers?
EASY ... just drill a set of small holes in the floor.
TADA drainage problem solved!. out of sight out of mind �
474218 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6340 posts, RR: 10 Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4859 times:
Quoting EI321 (Reply 19): Its comes as a self contained modular unit, like a toilet. Everything is built in.
How much water can this self contained system hold? My self contained system in my RV (Caravan too you) carries forty gallons, that is enough for maybe three showers, if your quick. That forty gallons also weighs 240 lbs. If you just have showers for the first class passengers and say limit them to the first 10 passengers you are talking over a ton of extra weight.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 26697 posts, RR: 83 Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4262 times:
It is highly likely the system will use recyclers to allow the potable water load to handle multiple showers.
And while people on this board seem to get bent out of shape when they hear it, I am sure many municipalities around the world use recycled water and folks don't fear going into their showers there. Heck, don't cruise ships do water recycling in addition to (or even in place of ) de-salination of seawater?
25 Ikramerica: No, there is no confusion. The galley's are being offered. The only place I've ever heard they are not is on a.net, specifically from you, in this th
26 BoomBoom: But you don't wonder how showers would?
27 EI321: Nowhere near as much, its probably just one shower, about the same weight as a toilet unit, whatever that weighs. No structural modifications, lifts,
28 EI321: Here are designs of such showers: http://www.dasell.com/interiors/aircraft-interiors.html And heres a job offer for all you aspiring aircraft toilet
29 PC12Fan: Yea, that's where I was going with that.
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