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BA To Start GLA And ZRH From LCY  
User currently offlineFRALIM From Germany, joined Jun 2003, 121 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4749 times:

Hi,

BA Connect (or BA Citiflyer if you will...) will start additional flights ex LCY on 25MAR. They will start 4x daily to GLA and 4x daily to ZRH (with a reduced service on weekends). Flights can already be booked. The GLA route is new to LCY, although BA already operated a few years back before it moved those flights to EDI. ZRH will be operated in competition to LX which currently operates 7x weekdaily flights.

Wonder if that will be all or whether there is more to come once the whole FlyBE/BA Connect take over has been finalised.

Cheers
Chris

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User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4645 times:

Great news!!! I'm glad BA are increasing flights out of LCY!!! Its convenient, and targets business people, which they need to do, with FR and EZY on there tails!

User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4628 times:

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 1):
Great news!!! I'm glad BA are increasing flights out of LCY!!! Its convenient, and targets business people, which they need to do, with FR and EZY on there tails

Fair point.


Hopefully BA will cater for more and more business passengers out of this valuable base. I know a service to ABZ would be well recieved as would LBA. Would be nice for services like that. Big grin

Great that BA wont desert these airports all together


User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4605 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 2):
Hopefully BA will cater for more and more business passengers out of this valuable base. I know a service to ABZ would be well recieved as would LBA. Would be nice for services like that.

I hope they increase LCY flying, as its focusing on the money making passengers; business flyers. As much as LGW domestic service provides passengers with a choice etc, I think they should focus on LHR and LCY. LCY to MAN, ABZ and LBA would be great. LCY gives there passengers a link to London, which is very conveniently located, user friendly, and isnt LHR! They (BA) are onto a winner if they expand out of LCY! I was surprised they never tried LCY-DUB when EI pulled off the route a few years back!


User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4584 times:

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 3):
I hope they increase LCY flying, as its focusing on the money making passengers; business flyers. As much as LGW domestic service provides passengers with a choice etc, I think they should focus on LHR and LCY. LCY to MAN, ABZ and LBA would be great. LCY gives there passengers a link to London, which is very conveniently located, user friendly, and isnt LHR! They (BA) are onto a winner if they expand out of LCY! I was surprised they never tried LCY-DUB when EI pulled off the route a few years back

Well the fact that EI pulled off the route using the same equipment BA would have to use tells me it isnt that profitable.

And expansion at LCY is rare due to the shortage of ramp space and the limited aircraft types. I'd imagine BA will be able to do a little more expansion with the Avros.

Also bare in mind that business traffic isnt going to be that strong in the future, what with interactive meeting etc. The Business flyer will never be a thing of the past, but the need for business people to fly will diminish in the coming years. Why would companies pay for air fares, when they can hold interactive meetings for virtually free


User currently offlineFRALIM From Germany, joined Jun 2003, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4573 times:

Further expansion in LCY will be difficult, as the airport is already full at peak times. I think you can see that when you look at the timings for the ZRH flights, which seem less than ideal. Most flights to LCY are usually full coming in in the morning and full going out in the evening (I think a good example for that is LH which operates as all business class FRA-LCY in the morning and LCY-FRA in the evening). So it seems strange that BA's last flight out to ZRH is at 17.30. The first arrival from ZRH is also rather late at 11.05. That doesn't leve business passengers with too much time in London. I can only assume that these tmings are due to the non-availability of better slots...

User currently offlineBA787 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 2596 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4551 times:

Quoting FRALIM (Reply 5):

See my earlier post Big grin


User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

Quoting BA787 (Reply 4):
Well the fact that EI pulled off the route using the same equipment BA would have to use tells me it isnt that profitable.

EI pulled off the route because it got rid of its BAE's, and went all A320 for short-haul


User currently offlineFRALIM From Germany, joined Jun 2003, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4519 times:

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 7):
Quoting BA787 (Reply 4):
Well the fact that EI pulled off the route using the same equipment BA would have to use tells me it isnt that profitable.

EI pulled off the route because it got rid of its BAE's, and went all A320 for short-haul

AF currently operates the route with 5 weekdaily flights using the same equipment. So there seems to be a market... The gap left by EI was just filled by AF not BA.


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4470 times:

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 3):
LCY to MAN, ABZ and LBA would be great.

MAN - Theres a market and VLM do well out of it. But with competition from the train I dont think the route can sustain two carriers, especially with further train improvements to come
ABZ - Im sure a LCY route would work but I feel an Avro would be too large an aircraft
LBA - Too much competition from the train IMIO, especially with a frequency increase coming soon

Quoting COEI2007 (Reply 3):
I was surprised they never tried LCY-DUB when EI pulled off the route a few years back!

Dont think BA served LCY then, or if they did it was just a British Regional franchise service to Sheffield



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User currently offlineEGNM-LBA From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 4341 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 9):
LBA - Too much competition from the train IMIO, especially with a frequency increase coming soon

One of the favourites for the purchase of LBA is the operator of LCY, so wouldn't rule out a push for LBA-LCY if it comes off. Train competition really no different to MAN and size of city to city market shoul be similar. LCY - UK routes thrive on corporate contracts and competitive unrestricted fares.


User currently offlineLXM83 From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 610 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4241 times:

My prediction is that they will never be able to make LCY-ZRH work. Why?
- they tried the same on LCY-GVA and gave up
- the overall LON-GVA market (1.626 mio local pax) is bigger than LON-ZRH (1.040 mio local pax)
(source: Swiss FOCA, 2005 figures)
- the schedule is useless for business traffic originating from ZRH (1st dep ZRH-LCY 10:25, last dep LCY-ZRH 17:30)
- LX operates 7 daily frequencies and is well established in this market


User currently offlineA340600 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 4105 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4229 times:

Excellent news for BA, as they come away from all the other BAConnect rubbish it will be nice to see LCY grow and secure more revenue earning customers. I'm unsure about ZRH, could have done with a nightstop to have had better flights if they want to compete with LX, however whether they can get the London traveller I think is more of an issue in my opinion,

Sam



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7391 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4075 times:

Quoting FRALIM (Thread starter):
Wonder if that will be all or whether there is more to come once the whole

It was clear that as BA originally announced that they would retain all their existing Avro RJ100s and as it is apparent that their existing services from LCY would only need 7 or perhaps 8 of those aircraft that some expansion could be expected. I believe that with four flights daily to ZRH and GLA that spare capacity will now be used up. So I think that any other new services are more likely to be instead of rather than additions to the current services.

Quoting LXM83 (Reply 11):
My prediction is that they will never be able to make LCY-ZRH work. Why?
- they tried the same on LCY-GVA and gave up

But I thought that Zurich was, like the City of London but unlike Geneva a major international finance centre. Surely this is still true?

The addition of Glasgow also makes sense. BA have an engineering facility there which is something that is not true of any other of their LCY destination airports. So it looks like routine servicing of the fleet will be carried out at GLA.

Quoting FRALIM (Reply 5):
Further expansion in LCY will be difficult, as the airport is already full at peak times.

This is, of course, because of the size of the apron not because of slot constraints. But I believe there are plans to expand the aproon area. However it is very clear that BA would not announce new services out of LCY if it had not first addressed all operational issues.


User currently offlineIcLCY From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2006, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4035 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 13):
Quoting FRALIM (Reply 5):
Further expansion in LCY will be difficult, as the airport is already full at peak times

The East Apron Extention will add 5 more ramps by 2010. A link from the new ramp area & runway will also be created.


User currently offlineSandroZRH From Switzerland, joined Feb 2007, 3428 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4003 times:

Will be interesting to see how they will compete with LX on the route. With their rather inconvenient departure and arrival times i think LX is going to give them a hard time.

User currently offlineCOEI2007 From Vanuatu, joined Jan 2007, 1912 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3813 times:

Maybe LCY routes will be used in future for O&D pax, allowing for a reduction on similar routes ex LHR, which would free up slots, and could be used for Long Haul expansion? Maybe......

User currently offlineVfw614 From Germany, joined Dec 2001, 3964 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

Quoting FRALIM (Reply 5):
So it seems strange that BA's last flight out to ZRH is at 17.30. The first arrival from ZRH is also rather late at 11.05. That doesn't leve business passengers with too much time in London. I can only assume that these tmings are due to the non-availability of better slots..

The route is operated with Scotland-based aircraft, hence the timings. It is more or less a GLA/EDI-LCY-ZRH v.v. service.


User currently offlineFRALIM From Germany, joined Jun 2003, 121 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3699 times:

Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 17):
The route is operated with Scotland-based aircraft, hence the timings. It is more or less a GLA/EDI-LCY-ZRH v.v. service.

But that doesn't really explain why there is no later departure from LCY to ZRH. I still believe they should have considered a night stop in ZRH. But I understand that scheduling is complex and it doesn't always allow you to do what (supposedly) would be best for each route... Also the morning departure to ZRH will be operated by an aircraft that spends the night in LCY. In fact following the new schedule BA will be having 2 night stops in LCY, with the 2nd operating a new early departure to EDI. And according to what I've heard there is more to come regarding night stops...


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3034 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3668 times:

What types of planes will they be using out of LCY?

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineAceFreighter From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 3618 times:

BA do not do base maintenance on RJ's at GLA. Their base there just does Airbus aircraft. I would expect that it would continue to be subcontracted out at STN.

User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1982 posts, RR: 11
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

Quoting AceFreighter (Reply 20):
BA do not do base maintenance on RJ's at GLA. Their base there just does Airbus aircraft. I would expect that it would continue to be subcontracted out at STN.

737 fleet is maintained at BAMG too.

Gaz



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4917 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 3552 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 19):
What types of planes will they be using out of LCY?

Avro RJ100's currently flying for BA Connect



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