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DL Summer Schedule Shows FAT/BZN/GEG - ATL  
User currently offlineStapleton From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 281 posts, RR: 2
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6063 times:

The Delta downloadable timetable shows 4 times weekly FAT - ATL non-stop service along with 4 times weekly BZN - ATL service and Daily GEG - ATL service beginning this summer. Last year the BZN service was only twice weekly so they must have been pleased with its results and now expanding the idea to other airports in the west.

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User currently offlineMtnWest1979 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 2485 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6051 times:

Similar to what they have had in BOI as of late. Flights Th or Fr-Mo n/s to ATL. Nice to see more service from out West to ATL.

Added: During the May-Sept months. Maybe daily during peak Summer travel time.

[Edited 2007-02-10 00:31:28]


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User currently offlineStapleton From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 281 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6035 times:

You are right, BOI was really one of their first experiments for smaller cities west of Denver for Atlanta non-stop service. It is great to see it working even if they aren't yet all daily year round flights.

User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5998 times:

Interesting to see that. Was expecting BZN back, though I'm positively surprised at the increased frequency. ATL-FAT is a route that I'd have expected to happen some time down the road anyway, so that doesn't surprise me. However with GEG, I have my doubts about that one. Though I won't mind if DL proves me wrong.

User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5942 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 3):
Interesting to see that. Was expecting BZN back, though I'm positively surprised at the increased frequency. ATL-FAT is a route that I'd have expected to happen some time down the road anyway, so that doesn't surprise me. However with GEG, I have my doubts about that one. Though I won't mind if DL proves me wrong.

Well, there are pretty high frequencies from GEG-SLC, and they usually have at least one mainline flight a day (which for DL, is huge). I think this flight will do ok in the summer. DL has made stranger places work from ATL ...


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5846 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5928 times:

FAT-ATL will be nice. Hopefully it will do well, summer is high traffic numbers at FAT. Last year AA saw 98% LFs on FAT-DFW,

An ATL flight is also perfect timing for me, we were considering a vacation to the Caribbean next summer. This will give me more options.



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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2405 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5898 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 5):
FAT-ATL will be nice. Hopefully it will do well

I hope the same

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 5):
An ATL flight is also perfect timing

As for me too! I will be flying to GRU and possibly DKK as well. Any idea on what they will use on this route? A old 737 or will they put an MD on this flight? Good too because they will be getting that $30,000 - $60,000 discount as well right FATFlyer? FAT is moving on up buddy! This is GREAT! Big grin



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5846 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5833 times:

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 6):
Good too because they will be getting that $30,000 - $60,000 discount as well right FATFlyer? FAT is moving on up buddy! This is GREAT!

Actually if it is only 4 days a week it may not qualify.

The wording in the program called for 5 days a week on a jet with a minimum of 50 seats.

So either DL would need to increase frequency or the airport needs to go back to the City Council to get the program amended.



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User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5799 times:

Which aircraft will be utilized for these routes?

User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5846 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5781 times:

I just looked and it shows as a 737-800. Starts June 8.

FLT # 820 dep FAT 6:50AM arr ATL 2:10PM operating T/Th/Sa/Su

FLT #821 dep ATL 6:25PM arr FAT 8:20PM operating M/W/F/Sa



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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5601 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 9):
I just looked and it shows as a 737-800. Starts June 8.

First time for the type in Fresno?

Great news indeed, hopefully the area will support the new route so well that Delta will make it a year-round service!

Could it be, that after all these years the airlines are finally waking up to realize that the greater Fresno region is a viable market in its own right....and not some backwater town people come from to meet their flights in LAX and SFO?



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5589 times:

Great news for FAT.
Can't wait for these flights to start up.

-Copa


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5846 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5556 times:

Quoting Stirling (Reply 10):
First time for the type in Fresno?

For scheduled service yes, though maybe a charter has come through. The first -800 was delivered in 1997 or 1998, FAT hasn't seen a scheduled 737 of any model since before that.

Quoting Stirling (Reply 10):
Could it be, that after all these years the airlines are finally waking up to realize that the greater Fresno region is a viable market in its own right....and not some backwater town people come from to meet their flights in LAX and SFO?

As I said a few days ago I expect several route announcements this year and next but this wasn't one I thought was going to happen.

So the ones I'm waiting for could still be brewing. One I really expect will come in the next 6 to 8 weeks if it happens.

I know some on a.net have said in the past they didn't think FAT would see big announcements, that the market wasn't there. I think this is one that shows them wrong.



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5513 times:

So are there 4 Mainline carriers at FAT now? F9, AA, DL, and Allegiant?

-Copa


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5846 posts, RR: 28
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5510 times:

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 13):
So are there 4 Mainline carriers at FAT now? F9, AA, DL, and Allegiant?

4 currently - Frontier, American, Allegiant, and Mexicana.

Delta will make 5.



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5491 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 14):

4 currently - Frontier, American, Allegiant, and Mexicana.

Delta will make 5.

Gotcha. I forgot MX flew there.
FAT is really taking off. I would guess another logical expansion would be AA to ORD.
With XJT announcing ONT and SAN, and now DL to ATL, things are looking up for Central California's Major Airport.

-Copa


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5846 posts, RR: 28
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5478 times:

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 15):
FAT is really taking off. I would guess another logical expansion would be AA to ORD.

AA or UA to ORD. I personally lean toward AA doing it since UA already connects FAT passengers at 3 hubs.



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User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5471 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 16):
AA or UA to ORD. I personally lean toward AA doing it since UA already connects FAT passengers at 3 hubs.

I think AA to ORD as well. I think this mainly because AA Mainline already flies to FAT, and it wouldn't be that hard to add a new destination. UA doesn't have that luxury, as Skywest does all their flying for them out of FAT.

-Copa


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23306 posts, RR: 20
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5298 times:

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 17):
UA doesn't have that luxury, as Skywest does all their flying for them out of FAT.

Seasonal UA mainline could be handled by OO, so if they wanted to do a summer flight to ORD, they could.



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User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3365 posts, RR: 35
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5266 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 7):

Actually if it is only 4 days a week it may not qualify.

The wording in the program called for 5 days a week on a jet with a minimum of 50 seats.

So either DL would need to increase frequency or the airport needs to go back to the City Council to get the program amended.

I am very familiar with these sorts of incentive programs.

That amount of money is pocket change as it relates to this service. If it doesn't reach six figures, it really is irrelevant to a carrier the size of Delta. Such a program doesn't have the intended "incentive" effect until it gets into the several hundred thousand dollar range, particularly when we are talking about mainline equipment. That incentive was not a factor in this decision, though DL will gladly have the airport use it to market the service.

Which brings me to the other point, no matter what the policy states, The airport will provide that incentive (and probably more) to make sure this service works. Whether or not they have to change the policy, they will get it done. They simply cannot refuse Delta marketing support for service like this because it doesn't fit within some pre-determined, arbitrary guidelines.

I guarantee you that the airport administration is already working on a work-around to the policy. They know this is a big opportunity for them.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5846 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5184 times:

Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 19):
They simply cannot refuse Delta marketing support for service like this

The incentive we are talking about is for fee and rent waivers, not marketing support. This program would waive rent and fees for 120 days after start of a new domestic flight.

No it would not be the deciding factor for any airline, nor should it be for any smart airline. A route that is only justified by incentives will not stick after the money runs out.

I do agree the airport staff will do what they can to ensure this route's success.

The airport the last few years has been good about offering marketing support for new routes. This incentive was simply to formalize additional support beyond the marketing work they have offered before.

Mexicana is a case in point. The airport marketed the FAT-GDL route along with MX so that it went in 6 months from an A318 to an A320. Even with the A320 capacity they continue to see good load factors. Likewise for Frontier, Fresno/Yosemite Intl ran TV and newspaper ads among other things, that route is now also operated mainline instead of on a CR7.

I have no doubt that FAT's administration understands what they need to do to work with Delta. I hope you don't think its a bunch of "small town hicks" out here.  

[Edited 2007-02-10 18:49:16]


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User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3365 posts, RR: 35
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5044 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 20):
I have no doubt that FAT's administration understands what they need to do to work with Delta. I hope you don't think its a bunch of "small town hicks" out here.

Not at all. I suspect they're already working with Delta. I was just pointing out that amount of money is not at all significant in this scenario.


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5846 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4934 times:

Quoting Jetlanta (Reply 21):
I was just pointing out that amount of money is not at all significant in this scenario.

And I agree.

Personally I think the timing of creating the policy makes me guess it was geared for someone else.

The policy was proposed to and approved by the Fresno City Council on Jan 23. At the time airport staff said they had reason to believe there was an airline that might start service that would qualify.

Golly gee, a little over a week later ExpressJet announces routes to 2 cities from FAT. Both routes meet the minimum level in the new policy, which means as written they qualified for an incentive for each of the 2 new routes.



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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2405 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4681 times:

Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 14):
4 currently - Frontier, American, Allegiant, and Mexicana.

I thought that US/HP started mainline to LAS. Did they stop this flight?

Like you said FATFlyer, I can now see AA flying the routes of FAT-ORD rather then UA. A lot of people here in the Central Valley fly on AA to DFW so would make sense to keep those people on their product to ORD.

The new DL is just amazing. I was just talking to my dad about it and he said, "Lets get ready to book tickets then". Any idea when this service will start? By the way, will this be the biggest aircraft (commercial) to enter into service right now at FAT? (would be comparied to the A320 I believe).

Congrats to FAT and I am looking forward to more flights to here  Smile



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User currently offlineYVR1968 From Australia, joined Feb 2004, 704 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4679 times:

What happened to the seasonal 4x/weekly ATL-YYC flights DL has last summer?

Does anyone know if they are going to be reinstated this summer?


25 FATFlyer : They were operating 1 mainline and 1 CRJ. They switched a few months back to a CR9 on both frequencies. The first time the inbound flight shows in th
26 Post contains links Stapleton : BZN - ATL seems to be doing quite well for DL. They started last winter with once weekly and expanded to twice weekly (Christmas saw three times weekl
27 FATFlyer : You never know until its tried how something will do but I have high hopes for this one. FAT-ATL runs about 60-70 passengers per day. Connections on
28 Stapleton : FATFlyer - With those numbers and Delta's experience through SLC, I would agree with you on the potential of success, especially in the summer. On ano
29 FATFlyer : That is a good question and one that I have also pondered alone and with mariner. I thought the single mainline flight would be a slow season move on
30 Stapleton : I guess the good news is that it is a mainline flight and not just one flight on one of the regional jets. They have been dropping down to one regiona
31 WhatUsaid : The DL announcement is a big one, no doubt. And, while I too was thinking of an ORD announcement, ATL should do just fine. FAT O&D numbers really neve
32 YOW : Will BUR-ATL be returning this summer? Is the full DL summer sked loaded yet?
33 FATFlyer : The FAT-ATL flights now show online both at OAG and Skyguide. I've been saying on here for the last couple of years that it was only a matter of time
34 Post contains images QXatFAT : Was just on the news today talking about these stores coming into Fresno and the plans for Fresno's growth in the retail industry. I saw it on Fox Ne
35 Post contains images FAT5DEP : Wow! It has been 9 years since Delta sent its last flight out of FAT. I remember loading that last flight to RNO. It was sad watching that MD-90 swing
36 MaverickM11 : It looks like ATL/GEG was pulled from the schedule this week. Anybody know why?
37 Post contains links FATFlyer : Today's newspaper had a front page article on the flights. All the TV news broadcasts have also carried the news. http://www.fresnobee.com/263/story/2
38 FATFlyer : Interesting, but FAT-ATL flights are still in there.
39 Post contains images QXatFAT : I agree. ORD would be nice in my opinion operated by UA but AA is the most likely. Also, if DL does really good on this route, will they keep it past
40 Post contains images FATFlyer : It would probably have to do exceptional to continue the rest of this year. But as long as it does well it would stand a good chance of daily next ye
41 Post contains images Xpfg : FATFlyer, Couple of points and questions for you. Firstly, awesome news about DL coming to FAT mainline style! I'll be flying that route a couple of t
42 Post contains images Stirling : Is it just me....or does the 737 graphic in the lower right-hand corner look like it has a "bulge" on top of the forward fuselage??? It looks like a
43 Stirling : With ORD and MSP being in the top 10 O/D markets out of FAT, hopefully it will be sooner than the "next few years". However, things have been going i
44 FATFlyer : Allegiant at SCK and USAirExpress at MCE probably makes MOD-LAS a little less likely these days. What are SCK and MOD about 30 miles apart and Merced
45 WhatUsaid : Problem with Fresno, per F9 and I've heard the same from AA, is yield. Not enough full fare biz travel as compared to SMF. That, I think, is an unfair
46 FATFlyer : Except we have 2 other airlines at FAT that might be looking at Mexico. Frontier's addition of SJD from SMF and SJC among other moves from California
47 Post contains images QXatFAT : Here are the average loads for this last summer: Allegiant Airlines (G4): 75.3% Aircraft operated: MD-87 to LAS American Eagle (MQ): 80.3% Aircraft o
48 CV990 : Hi! Well, well, well.....FAT again on the "top of the news"!!! I'm very happy with this, FAT looks to me one of the best emergent markets comming from
49 YOW : Any word yet on whether or not BUR-ATL will be returning this summer?
50 FATFlyer : August pulled the load factors down last year, it was a little lower. School starts Aug 21 which cuts back on vacations and other trips the last 2 we
51 FATFlyer : It doesn't show yet in the desktop schedule but I don't know if the summer schedule is finalized.
52 WhatUsaid : With that load factor it does make you wonder why Fresno is stuck with the CRJ 900 this summer. Even first class was generally full when I flew on a
53 FAT5DEP : I process residential subdivisions here in Fresno and the following is a list of how many new residential lots were created between 2001 and 2006. 200
54 FATFlyer : And I assume that is only within the Fresno city limits. It does not including the surrounding areas such as Clovis, Sanger or others.
55 Post contains images QXatFAT : Also factor in Madera's growth. Almost all of Madera's population flys out of FAT instead of traveling to SMF, OAK, SFO, or LAX. FAT is always the ai
56 Floridaflyboy : That's great to see GEG getting a non-stop ATL flight. I am glad that DL is really realizing the opportunities in these smaller Northwestern developin
57 FATFlyer : It seems to have been pulled from the schedule, as MaverickM11 pointed out in post # 11. I just updated my schedule datafile and it is still no longe
58 Post contains links KarlB737 : Courtesy: The Fresno Bee Delta Plans Atlanta-Fresno Big Jet Service http://www.airportbusiness.com/onlin...article.jsp?id=10433&siteSection=4
59 Post contains images FATFlyer : Hi Karl, Isn't that the same article as post 37 above? The FAT-ATL are now bookable and the fares seem to be good. I'm seeing for example on Traveloci
60 KarlB737 : You're right my boo boo.
61 J.mo : Good to see more traffic coming here to FAT. I am curious how much can Fresno handle with that 4, soon to be 5 gate concourse. I am afraid it will loo
62 WhatUsaid : Consider that the carrier with the most jet traffic (HP/US) doesn't even use the jetways. Add XJet, most likely also not using jetways, and you can't
63 MaverickM11 : Looks like GEG has been pulled, both out of OAG and delta.com
64 FATFlyer : I figured that US/HP not using jetways came down to cost originally. But I keep wondering why they haven't done something about that since. I haven't
65 RwSEA : Bummer - that route could have had potential, at least in the summers. But, DL is so short on mainline aircraft these days that they have to make tou
66 FATFlyer : And only a couple of years ago few would think FAT would be on the top of tough choices.
67 Post contains links FAT5DEP : When DL was here previously at Gate 4 (Gate 3 now), which was rather small at the time for boarding a 727. I recall complaints from our ticket agents
68 TAN FLYR : This is great news for FAT..Don't forget to add in the growth in Visalia/Tulare/Porterville SMSA...quite impressive also. This may draw a bit of traff
69 MaverickM11 : DL just pulled ATLFAT out of the schedule today, so don't get your hopes up.
70 FATFlyer : I just ran an update of my desktop version schedule and it still shows the ATL-FAT flights. Where are you looking?
71 TAN FLYR : JUst looked for June 15 and 16 on their web site..no flights there. MAybe it all got scratched??
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