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Randy's Blog: "Dashing -8"  
User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7280 times:

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We've just made available a neat 90-second program about the interior of the 747-8 Intercontinental. It was filmed inside our remarkable new -8 sales display here in Renton.

My colleague Blake Emery, who has the unique title of Director, Differentiation Strategy, is your host on the audio/visual tour.

You might also want to revisit the 747-8 Website. We've refreshed this site with new imagery on the home page and a "Step Onboard the 747-8" interactive video. The video has "hotspot" links, that when you click on them, take you further inside the airplane - including a look at the upper deck, the entry stairway, views out the windows, and an interactive peek inside the new overhead luggage spaces...

http://www.boeing.com/randy/archives/2007/02/dashing_8.html

Just in time to respond to Airbus' renewed publicity "drive" for the A380 launched ealier this week with a special flight for the media.

See also: Airbus Launches A380 Publicity Drive (by OA260 Feb 7 2007 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineRpaillard From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6986 times:

Hi,

I really like the atmosphere. It looks wide, open and elegant. New bins are much appreciated. The 787 legacy in interior design is amazing. It fits well within the 747. I hope to fly the bird any time soon.

Thanks for the link.
Raphael


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31421 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6832 times:
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Man, that wing is crazy!

And I thought the 777's wings looked high in-flight...

And the nice thing is, items like lighting and overhead bins and ceiling design will generally be taken up by most customers.  thumbsup 


User currently offlineBoeingBus From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1597 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6725 times:

Check the transition from the 744 to 748.... very cool....

http://www.newairplane.com/747/en-US...eatures/LiftingProfits/NewRevenues



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User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6725 times:

Those look like some big windows. My first reaction was "Oops, they're showing the 787 windows," but then the audio says the new 747 will have bigger windows.

I thought they were taking the window belt from the 777 which I thought meant the new 747 would use 777 windows. But the windows shown seem to be even larger.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6490 times:

Has this weeks A380 media buzz got Randys attention.......hmmm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
Man, that wing is crazy!

I wonder will the wings actually be that curved, they look straight at the end of the video where the 747 is parked at the terminal.

That new airplane website is fabulous.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31421 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6476 times:
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Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
I wonder will the wings actually be that curved, they look straight at the end of the video where the 747 is parked at the terminal.

I imagine flight loadings will bring them up, just as the 777's get taller in flight then when on the ground (though they still have a pronounced "lift" to them on the ground).


User currently offlineZeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9233 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6387 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 5):
Has this weeks A380 media buzz got Randys attention.......hmmm

Maybe, they have had the cabin showroom on the home page for a while http://www.airbus.com/cabin-showroom/preview/index.jsp?article=0

The blue lighting on the 747-8i looks familiar on the A350  Smile



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6348 times:

Quoting Rpaillard (Reply 1):
The 787 legacy in interior design is amazing

I think the 747-400ER (777) legacy also is remarkable.



User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6284 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 7):
The blue lighting on the 747-8i looks familiar on the A350

Have airbus even launched the A350XWB cabin yet? That 'Vision' thing hust looks like a mongral!

[Edited 2007-02-10 23:28:07]

User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2259 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6280 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 2):
Man, that wing is crazy!

It's just the new fashion in computer renderings, on both sides of the Atlantic. The 747-8 wing is structurally identical (with some reinforcement of course) to the 747-400, so you should expect a similar amount of flex in reality.

In the same vein, I'll bet a four-pack of the best Unibroue beer that the 787's wings will not flex half as much as depicted in the computer renderings.  airplane 


User currently offlineAreopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1373 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6031 times:

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 10):
The 747-8 wing is structurally identical (with some reinforcement of course) to the 747-400, so you should expect a similar amount of flex in reality.

The curvy wingtip extensions generate more lift outboard, so the whole wing is bound to flex upward more.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5970 times:

Quoting Areopagus (Reply 11):
The curvy wingtip extensions generate more lift outboard, so the whole wing is bound to flex upward more.

Yeah but look at the head on rendering on the website, its crazy. Theres no way it will bend that much if its structurally tha same as a -400 wing. It looks like that 777 testframe wind just before it snapped!


User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 1005 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4841 times:

So after looking at these photos of the inside of the 747-8 it got me thinking. I was under the impression that airlines put there own interiors in their planes, so wouldn't it be hit or miss on weather the airline that you fly on actually looks like that.


One mile of highway gets you one mile, one mile of runway gets you anywhere.
User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31421 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3753 times:
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Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 13):
I was under the impression that airlines put there own interiors in their planes, so wouldn't it be hit or miss on weather the airline that you fly on actually looks like that.

Mostly airlines determine the seating models installed. Things like the walls, ceilings and lighting are supplied by the manufacturer. Now, an airline could choose to go with white light instead of colored, but chromatherapy has it's boosters.  Smile

As for bins, an airline can source them, as well, however most seem to go with what the manufacturer offers. Most 777s seem to have the "Boeing Signature" bins, for example.


User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3598 posts, RR: 66
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3539 times:

Quoting Zeke (Reply 7):
The blue lighting on the 747-8i looks familiar on the A350

It's a "mood" lighting feature on all airplanes so equipped.



Airplane design is easy, the difficulty is getting them to fly - Barnes Wallis
User currently offlineJustloveplanes From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 1065 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 3071 times:

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 10):
The 747-8 wing is structurally identical (with some reinforcement of course) to the 747-400, so you should expect a similar amount of flex in reality.

Isn't the 748 wing a new composite design?


User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2259 posts, RR: 56
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2147 times:

Quoting Justloveplanes (Reply 16):

Isn't the 748 wing a new composite design?

No. The aluminum structure and general layout (planform) are the same as the 747-400. The differences are a reprofiled airfoil, wingtip extensions, and redesigned high lift devices. In other words, a "new wing"  devil 


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 2051 times:

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 17):
In other words, a "new wing"

Ie, the '747-400 wing MkII'  Big grin


User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1961 times:

So what's the deal with the windows? Are they using 787 window size in the 748i? Sure does look like it.

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1950 times:

Quoting Khobar (Reply 19):
Are they using 787 window size in the 748i? Sure does look like it.

Correct. Im not sure if they are 100% identical to those on the 787 but they are much larger than 747-400 windows.


User currently offlineAKelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2194 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

Quoting Khobar (Reply 4):

I thought they were taking the window belt from the 777 which I thought meant the new 747 would use 777 windows. But the windows shown seem to be even larger.

It looks like they are, read the linked flight global article:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...s-boeing-unveils-interiors-at.html

Boeing 787 architecture styles have been used for the shaping and lighting of the interior ceiling and sidewall paneling as well as 777 style windows. The 787 styles have been achieved with careful interior sculpting, but “have been executed completely differently” using the conventional trim, main deck and upper deck floor beams and fittings of the existing 747 design. The 777 windows (388mm [15.3in] tall and 273mm wide) are larger than those of the 747, and have been adopted as part of a decision to use the 777-style structural window belt.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1906 times:

Quoting AKelley728 (Reply 21):
The 777 windows (388mm [15.3in] tall and 273mm wide) are larger than those of the 747, and have been adopted as part of a decision to use the 777-style structural window belt.

I wonder would it be possible to fit those on the 737?


User currently offlineKhobar From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2379 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1874 times:

Quoting AKelley728 (Reply 21):
The 777 windows (388mm [15.3in] tall and 273mm wide) are larger than those of the 747, and have been adopted as part of a decision to use the 777-style structural window belt.

Have you watched the 748i video? Maybe the lack of the window shade on the 748i is throwing me off - the windows just look a whole lot bigger on the 748i than on 777's.

Anyway, thanks for the info - I knew I had read that somewhere, and now I know I have not lost my mind, yet.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1864 times:

Quoting Khobar (Reply 23):
Have you watched the 748i video? Maybe the lack of the window shade on the 748i is throwing me off - the windows just look a whole lot bigger on the 748i than on 777's.

Thats what I was thinking, unless the interior window shade is bigger than the actual window?


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