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AA: New ORD-SHV, CVG-LGA Flights  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6506 times:

As discussed in the thread on AA's new Miami-Northwest Arkansas route, American Eagle will add daily service between O'Hare and Shreveport, LA and between LaGuardia and Cincinnati, both on 10 April 2007, the same day American Eagle launches Miami-Northwest Arkansas and Miami-Jacksonville (replacing Executive Airlines dba American Eagle on one frequency):

O'Hare-Shreveport schedule:

AA 4422 ORD 0950-1150 SHV ER4 Daily
AA 4513 SHV 1215-1430 ORD ER4 Daily

Cincinnati-LaGuardia schedule:

AA 4800 LGA 0825-1035 CVG ER3 Daily
AA 4914 LGA 1230-1435 CVG ERD Daily
AA 4804 LGA 1425-1630 CVG ER3 Daily
AA 4812 LGA 1950-2200 CVG ER3 Daily

AA 4817 CVG 0730-0925 LGA ER3 Daily
AA 4801 CVG 1115-1315 LGA ER3 Daily
AA 4915 CVG 1500-1710 LGA ERD Daily
AA 4807 CVG 1700-1910 LGA ER3 Daily

As for where the slots are coming from, two come from cuts on RDU-LGA, a third comes from a cut on CMH-LGA, but I don't know where the fourth comes from.

[Edited 2007-02-10 22:59:54]


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26499 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6463 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
two come from cuts on RDU-LGA

Finally, some sanity.

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
between LaGuardia and Cincinnati

I wonder who that is targeted at  scratchchin 



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 20
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6430 times:

Good for SHV.

It's completely unrelated, but I've always wondered shy SHV was an all-RJ operation except for one daily Saab to DFW. Just seems odd to have just one daily flight on the Saab, but the rest on RJs - especially when AA is trying to shorten all its Saab routes.



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6608 posts, RR: 24
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6433 times:

I don't really understand AA's desire to fly CVG-LGA. I think it's purely driven as spite by AA for DL's expansion into the NYC-CHI market.

The CVG-NYC market isn't that big. DL of course flies from CVG to EWR, LGA and JFK. Plus, CO flies EWR-CVG. I don't see a lot of excess demand unless AA is going to offer really low-fares. However, those low-fares won't mix with the ERJ's.

Unless AA has a large enough base of customers in NYC that want to go to CVG, I don't see this route being a success.


User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6404 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
I don't know where the fourth comes from.

a quick check suggests it might be from PIT LGA... I pulled up a weekday in August and theres only 3 dailies vs the 4 now...



Why do I fly???
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6344 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 3):

Unless AA has a large enough base of customers in NYC that want to go to CVG, I don't see this route being a success.

It is a high-fare market, and it is not at all small (800+ daily passengers; not including leakage to other airports). AA has a huge business flyer base out of New York City and has done an excellent job of expanding into key business markets from LaGuardia. Flights to hubs at Pittsburgh, Atlanta, and Charlotte didn't make much sense either, and they have all performed very well. Overall, AA has had very good luck with expanding their RJ ops at LaGuardia in the past two years to unserved, underserved, or high-fare markets.

I'm not saying AA will fore sure find success here, but I don't think it will be too difficult for them. AA has an extensive network from LaGuardia to the Midwest/Great Lakes region. Flights to Detroit, Cleveland, Columbus, Pittsburgh, Madison, Grand Rapids, and others. Cincinnati is a logical extension of this.



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User currently onlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17510 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6278 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
Cincinnati is a logical extension of this.

...and doesn't have B6 involved...yet.



E pur si muove -Galileo
User currently offlineDFW13L From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6170 times:

Well, as a SHV commuter, I am excited to see SHV-ORD returned to SHV. Trivia--the first American Eagle Embraer RJ service to DFW was an offshoot of the ORD-SHV service at the time. It went ORD-SHV-DFW-SHV-ORD. This was before any RJs were based at DFW, in late 1998 and early 1999.

User currently offlineBNinMSY From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6148 times:

Yea - ORD-SHV service is going to be back! Hopefully the service will grow so they can add a flight for European connections on the return!

Geaux Chicago - grow, grow, grow!


User currently offlineShinton From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6112 times:

I am surprised that AA would add SHV-ORD service back again after it failed in the late 90s. It is a good thing, but SHV has been plagued with extremely high fares without a Saturday night stay for years. It has been cheaper for years to drive to AEX or GGG (only to TX,OK,NM) if you could not stay a Saturday night. SHV has been poorly run for years by its current airport manager, Roy Miller. The only reason TWA ever entered SHV was their search to find markets that they did not have to compete against Southwest. Even with the high business fares, Bill Compton, the TWA CEO, called SHV a marginially profitable market.

User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6083 times:

Remember that AA is pulling quite a few Eagle flights from RDU..

3x LGA
3x STL
2x AUS
1x BDL (if I'm remembering correctly)..

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
Finally, some sanity.

 box   bored 



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6065 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 10):
Remember that AA is pulling quite a few Eagle flights from RDU..

3x LGA
3x STL
2x AUS
1x BDL (if I'm remembering correctly)..

I think your right... hopfully their not done yet with their schedule adjustments... I keep praying for the mainline back to CLE!!!!



Why do I fly???
User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6061 times:

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 11):
hopfully their not done yet with their schedule adjustments

I do believe they are loading them as we speak.. if one was to try to check reservations.. you will see them populating.. for a second, I thought they had dropped ORD from RDU, but then it popped up...

so far, no other drops from RDU... and no more upgrades.. and no new surprises... *was hoping for a SJU*  biting 



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineHPAEAA From United States of America, joined May 2006, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 6026 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 12):
I do believe they are loading them as we speak.. if one was to try to check reservations.. you will see them populating.. for a second, I thought they had dropped ORD from RDU, but then it popped up...

so far, no other drops from RDU... and no more upgrades.. and no new surprises... *was hoping for a SJU*

I pray... lol they've been tweaking for a couple weeks... I hope that's not over... I have to admit.. this is the most schedule activity I've seen from them in a while..



Why do I fly???
User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 5036 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5975 times:

I still remember back in the 70's when SHV had direct service to ORD, STL, MSY, and even LGA amonst other places. They built that nice terminal that went largely unused after deragulation a few years after it opened. They had all kinds of mainline aircraft in there, DC-9's, 727's, BAC-111's and lord only knows what else. At the time DL, BN, TI ruled the roost there! You don't see SHV discussed here much.


Fly North Central Airlines..The route of the Northliners!
User currently offlinePanAm330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2679 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5920 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 10):
Remember that AA is pulling quite a few Eagle flights from RDU..

3x LGA
3x STL
2x AUS
1x BDL (if I'm remembering correctly)..

.. And adding mainline service on a few of those routes, too. I wouldn't be complaining.

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 11):
I keep praying for the mainline back to CLE!!!!

As I do for SYR! Come to DAB as well, AA/AE! We'd like some ERJ's to MIA, and an MD80 to ORD!  Wink


User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5905 times:

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 15):
I wouldn't be complaining.

Who's complaining? Just stating facts. The question was where were the aircraft for these new routes coming from. I was just stating that RDU was dropping/shifting a net loss of 9 flights so there were some freed aircraft there..

 boggled 



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5855 times:

Quoting HPAEAA (Reply 11):
I keep praying for the mainline back to CLE!!!!

AA closed mainline service at Cleveland to fire their mainline employees and them have them re-hired, at lower pay, at Eagle. If AA were to resume mainline service to Cleveland, than they could face a major lawsuit. In short, Cleveland will not see a mainline AA jet for a very, very, very, very long time.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 12):
*was hoping for a SJU* biting

Cleveland will get mainline back before Raleigh gets San Juan back.



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User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5844 times:

the CVG flight timing is interesting.

It doesn't allow for early morning meetings in either CVG or LGA vs. DL's early morning westbound flight (which a lot of Ad Agency folk take daily!)



Some see lines, others see between the lines.
User currently offlineBNinMSY From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 332 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5692 times:

The new SHV-ORD service is loaded in the GDS and on AA.com!
So it's available for $ale!

Just to review the services available on a weekday from SHV:
AA - 10 DFW, 1 ORD
DL - 6 ATL, 1 CVG
NW - 3 MEM, 2 DTW
CO - 7 IAH
G4 - 1 MCO and 1 LAS, services twice a week on 'REAL' jet MD80

Next up, a SHV-EWR on CO in the future?


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5583 times:

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 3):
The CVG-NYC market isn't that big. DL of course flies from CVG to EWR, LGA and JFK. Plus, CO flies EWR-CVG. I don't see a lot of excess demand unless AA is going to offer really low-fares. However, those low-fares won't mix with the ERJ's.



Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 3):
Unless AA has a large enough base of customers in NYC that want to go to CVG, I don't see this route being a success.

Look for a partial return of a mainline on CVG-DFW and CVG-ORD in the future, including a possible 2 or 3x weekly CVG-LAX by AA.

CVG largest employer (Procter & Gamble) was attempting to renegotiate a corporate agreement with DL in 2005. From what I was told, DL cancelled all "custom agreements" when they entered in BK. DL informed P&G, they would talk after BK. In 2004, P&G had a 9 digit travel expense for all worldwide travel. CVG accounted for a size able amount of this budget at the same time P&G was having service issues with CVG.

The details are proprietary, but from what I understand it includes "lane revenue guarantee's". Also, AA matched P&G employees FF status, this is no surprise because AA has been doing this for years.


User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 5503 times:

No need really for AA to enter or expand LGA-CVG. American's tactics at LGA are part of what makes that airport so congested and miserable to fly out of. The same applies to DL's LGA-MDW routes. Competition is good and healthy if it helps to bring down fares, but the delays and other headaches this causes outweigh the benefits of added competition.

User currently offlineSQ452 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5111 times:

Amazing, something else besides DL launching a new route to CVG...

Mainline AA service to LAX, elsewhere would be quite welcome! Although, I must say the AA terminal at CVG would probably be the worst AA terminal in the whole system if mainline comes back...



SIN > CVG > BOS
User currently offlineSouthSky From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5032 times:

Go Shreveport! As I am living in Louisiana currently, I am always looking for new non-stop opportunities in the area.

Sorry to go off topic, but I must ask about MOB-MIA. What are the chances that this route happens? I was thinking this was the new route when AA announced expanded service to MOB, but was surprised to hear ORD. There is a sizeable Latino community on the outskirts on MOB, and I think a MOB-MIA 1x/2x per day could work if they scheduled it correctly to meet connection times to Latin/South America. Hell, a flight to Miami from Mobile would be much more comfortable on a regional jet than a 2/2.5 hour flight to Chicago.


User currently offlineAvConsultant From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 4901 times:

Quoting SQ452 (Reply 22):
Although, I must say the AA terminal at CVG would probably be the worst AA terminal in the whole system if mainline comes back...

Very true. I know US was leaving Terminal 1 for Terminal 2, so that will congest Terminal 2. I remember the one time I was in CVG and flew out of Terminal 2, I could not believe the time from the cab to the gate. Less than 2 mins., I was irritated I arrived so early.


25 JDAirCEO : Some of the LGA slots are coming from RDU-LGA frequency being dropped down and an MD-80 being added in the afternoon. Yes Eagle is dropping frequency
26 Cidflyer : I am wondering this as well, and also if/when PNS-MIA would ever be started. I thought it was rumored here a year ago or so.
27 Post contains links DFW13L : I agree. RDU is not taking any losses--just Eagle reductions, replaced with mainline. Until now RDU's mainline service is all to AA hubs, with the ex
28 Shinton : Loads ($$$) must be great on single shot runs like JAN-ORD, BTR-ORD, etc. Given congestion and weather at ORD I wonder how often these flights are can
29 ASEFlyer : I HOPE SO! I remember taking the BTR-EWR route when it was added after Katrina. So convenient. Good to see more service to second hubs out of SHV eve
30 Seatback : I too agree that the CVG terminal may be the worst "looking" terminal in the entire system, but it also may be the most convenient terminal in the sys
31 Shinton : It appears that Allegiant is doing pretty well SHV_LAS, Service now is on Wednesday and Saturday, but the service changes to Thursday and Sundays. I t
32 Post contains images AvConsultant : I agree and my guess is the designer of the terminal was later hired by Candair/Bombardier and designed the windows on the CRJ-100/200. I know DL has
33 HPAEAA : AA shut down service 09/04... the legal requirement per union contracts is 12 months before mainline can return upto 7x daily (IIRC)... with the 8th
34 MAH4546 : Thanks for the info. I doubt it is a question of when, though. I don't think mainline will back anytime soon. Just my opinion, though.
35 DFW13L : How funny. I was about to post the same comment. I have heard the same. SHV-LAS loads are averaging 96% last I heard. No info on SFB-SHV. I hope so t
36 WA707atMSP : Pre 9/11, CVG was planning to extend CVG's concourse 3A westward all the way to where Terminal 1 is, move the airlines in T2 and T1 into the extended
37 Flymli : The Quad Cities and Peoria are each getting an additional DFW flight starting on April 10. That will give both of these cities twice daily flights to
38 MAH4546 : In addition, Fort Wayne is getting a third Dallas flight.
39 Flyinryan99 : And I was hoping to get TOL-DFW back in the near future...guess I can continue to be disappointed by TOL management.
40 AvConsultant : I always wondered why 3A never extended west ward, good information. T1 and T2 is dated (going back in time) compared to T3.
41 AA767400 : Coming from the same person that stated AA's JFK-NRT would fail in 6 months when it first started. If it ain't about DL you always succeed in raining
42 AA 777 : I could be wrong Mark, but LGA-ATL goes from 5 flights (3 AA/2 AE) to 4 flights (all AA) on 4/10. That could be the fourth slot... -Matt
43 Commavia : Also coming up starting 1 May, Eagle will be launching a weekend-only CR7 service O'Hare-Halifax: AA4477 ORD 1050 YHZ 1550 SatSun AA4478 YHZ 1630 ORD
44 CIDflyer : I wonder if they will bring back the DFW-TOL/RST/GRB routes? Nice to see them expand back again to the midwestern cities via DFW
45 BNinMSY : Would you be able to or care to elaborate on just exactly how a travel agent would be ripping Mesa off on this particular route? I can believe the ci
46 Shinton : Greater New Orleans area travel agent was selling fares that should have only been available to a particular corporate client at a price that was 1/2
47 Tommy767 : You could also say that CO's massive operations at EWR make the airport more congested and miserable to fly out of....
48 Kcrwflyer : I thought all of those cities already had DFW. How long have they been cut? Also, does anyone think that AE will ever make their way into Charleston?
49 DFW13L : AE already goes to CHS. I'm not sure when it started, but wasn't too long ago. Just checked tomorrow's schedule. 3 X daily EMJ-140 and 145s DFW-CHS D
50 UnitedMSY : Hey were glad to have that AA MOB-ORD, I would rather sit on an ERJ than connect through that dumpin-hellhole ATL
51 Post contains images KcrwFlyer : Wrong Charleston   (see my name) no worries, common error.[Edited 2007-02-13 07:12:18]
52 DFW13L : Doh! Sorry. Do you have any idea how well that service is doing? I know PNS is doing great for Eagle but haven't heard MOB.
53 MAH4546 : MOB has done very well. An MIA flight is being looked at, even, but I doubt that will happen soon.
54 Flyinryan99 : They did....they were all cut at the beginning of 2006 in order to build up DAL.
55 CIDflyer : DFW-TOL/GRB/RST were all cut around the time they decided to have their DAL (Love Field) experiment/anti-Wright Amendment statement last March. They
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