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DL Africa Routes  
User currently offlineDeltasju777 From Puerto Rico, joined Feb 2006, 65 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7951 times:

Good evening, I was wondering how the new DL Africa routes are doing. I noticed the JFK-ACC route for FEB didn't look to be very full in F and about 1/2 to 3/4 full in Y. I think ATL-JNB is doing better. I know the route is new but are loads what DL expected, and are they planning more routes to the continent in the near future ? Again thank you for any info.

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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7840 times:

Quoting Deltasju777 (Thread starter):
and are they planning more routes to the continent in the near future ?

I am not sure but here is my wishlist:
CMN
CAI (I think this will happen some time or another)
CPT
LOS



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offline28thguy From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 7657 times:

I glanced at delta.com for JFK-ACC departing on 2/19 and returning a week later... the flights look 2/3 full in economy, 1/3 full in first... but economy seats are being sold for $2,000 roundtrip (H fares) and business elite seats are being sold for $6,000 roundtrip (D fares). With advanced purchase, they are offering "bargain" economy tickets at $1,200 roundtrip (U fares) for a March itinerary.

May be more profitable than selling those $198 JFK-LGW economy tickets...


User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2405 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7587 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 1):
I am not sure but here is my wishlist:
CMN
CAI (I think this will happen some time or another)
CPT
LOS

I would add NBO onto that list

Quoting 28thguy (Reply 2):
I glanced at delta.com for JFK-ACC departing on 2/19 and returning a week later... the flights look 2/3 full in economy, 1/3 full in first

From what I heard, the seat maps on the aircraft you see when you book tickets are not always correct. There are PAX on there as well that do not choose their seating via Travel Agent or just not selecing one on a website. So some of those seats might even still be taken and the load may be 25 seats still available instead of 40 that it shows on the seat map.



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7573 times:

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 3):
I would add NBO onto that list

isnt NBO already good served via AMS and CDG on a code-share flight or at leas a potencial one before starting flights with own metal, as nonstop would not be possible with current fleet....



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User currently offlineQXatFAT From Israel, joined Feb 2006, 2405 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7551 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):
isnt NBO already good served via AMS and CDG on a code-share flight or at leas a potencial one before starting flights with own metal, as nonstop would not be possible with current fleet....

I do not think that AF flys into NBO. At least last time I checked I thought they did not. And KL flys for CO as well. Kinda a bummer because would be nice for DL to try to get some flights just for themselfs in there. It is just my opinion of course.



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User currently offlineLHStarAlliance From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7540 times:

Quoting Deltasju777 (Thread starter):
I think ATL-JNB

Will they fly with the 772LRs to JNB?


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7522 times:

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 5):
I do not think that AF flys into NBO. At least last time I checked I thought they did not. And KL flys for CO as well. Kinda a bummer because would be nice for DL to try to get some flights just for themselfs in there. It is just my opinion of course.

but Kenya Airways do from both AMS and CDG... please correct me if I am wrong.

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineSan747 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 4943 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7500 times:

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 6):
Will they fly with the 772LRs to JNB?

They already fly the route with a 763ER... with a stop in DKR, correct?



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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7333 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 4):
isnt NBO already good served via AMS and CDG on a code-share flight or at leas a potencial one before starting flights with own metal, as nonstop would not be possible with current fleet....

Perhaps, but own metal means own cash  Wink . The same as NBO could be said for both ACC and JNB, and yet DL flies there. Codeshares may be good, but own flights are always better. That said, NBO would indeed not be possible, as it would require a 777, all of which are used to the max as is. Unless of course DL pulls a JNB and start something akin to JFK-DKR-NBO, and have DKR as a connecting point for their African ops.

Quoting LHStarAlliance (Reply 6):

Will they fly with the 772LRs to JNB?

Sometime down the road, yes, but likely not before 2009 at earliest. First 2 77Ls are scheduled for either JFK-BOM (if they 772s on that route could be used for ATL-China), or ATL-HKG as a new route. From 2009, ATL-JNB nonstop could be an option, even more so if yields and loads remain high.


User currently offlineBelizexp From Belize, joined Dec 2005, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7307 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 1):
CAI (I think this will happen some time or another)

Confirm:

New Nonstop Service to Dubai, Seoul, Four Destinations in Europe



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User currently offlineFlyMD From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 278 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7061 times:

Wow! Delta just keeps growing and growing. What type of A/C will the new DXB flight utilize. I know they are short of 777s now so I am assuming 767s (763 or 764). If they are using 767s, I wonder where the flights will stop en route.


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User currently offlineOA412 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 5279 posts, RR: 25
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7046 times:

Quoting FlyMD (Reply 11):
Wow! Delta just keeps growing and growing. What type of A/C will the new DXB flight utilize. I know they are short of 777s now so I am assuming 767s (763 or 764). If they are using 767s, I wonder where the flights will stop en route.

The new DXB flight will operate nonstop from ATL on the 777. DL is getting around the 777 shortage issue by operating ATL-ICN and ATL-DXB less than daily. ICN will operate 4 days/week with DXB operating 5 days/week.



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User currently offlineDanairbus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7043 times:

Quoting FlyMD (Reply 11):
What type of A/C will the new DXB flight utilize.

They will use a 777 on ATL-DXB.


User currently offlineFoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 747 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7021 times:

Quoting FlyMD (Reply 11):
Wow! Delta just keeps growing and growing. What type of A/C will the new DXB flight utilize.

The DXB 777 will be rotated to ICN on Alternating days, the days we fly to ICN we wont fly to DXB, I just found out about this last week.

Andrew
JFK/MEM/MCI



..uh, we'll need that to live......
User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7014 times:

Quoting QXatFAT (Reply 3):
I would add NBO onto that list

 checkmark  I was trying to think of a route in central east Africa and this is what should've popped into my mind. IMO this would be served well as a JFK-CMN-NBO combo. In fact, looking at the Great Circle Mapper the JFK-NBO route passes right over CMN. A perfect fit.

Quoting Belizexp (Reply 10):
Confirm:

Huh?

Quoting FlyMD (Reply 11):
What type of A/C will the new DXB flight utilize

Actually the aircraft is a 777. The 777 doing the DXB route also does ICN. Example: Dubai is something like X123 and ICN is something like X4567.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineAces727 From Colombia, joined Oct 2005, 173 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7000 times:

Is great to see an American airline spreading overseas reminding us of the days of Pan Am and TWA. I just hope they start replacing their 767-300's on long routes such as ATL-JNB.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6971 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 1):
CPT

This one I highly doubt, considering that SA quit flying ATL-CPT over a year prior to dropping service @ ATL. It was only a few times a week service anyway. IIRC, SA made one of their JNB-CPT flights a tag on of the ATL-JNB flight.

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 1):
LOS

This route has been attempted out of ATL, IAH, and JFK by WO (Operating on behalf of Ritetime Aviation & Travel) and was said to have been doing fairly well until WO refused to fly the routes because the guy behind Ritetime failed to pay them for services rendered.


User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6919 times:

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 17):
This one I highly doubt

Bah, we can only hope! Just went to CPT in December and flew DL ATL-JNB but then had to connect on SAA to CPT. On the DL plane, others were talking about having to connect to CPT. CPT is such a nice city, much nicer than JNB, and deserves even more service.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6891 times:
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Quoting Evan767 (Reply 18):
deserves even more service

CPT will receive direct services once it is sustainable for an airline to do so. JNB remains the primary hub for air traffic in Southern Africa and at this stage CPT simply can not beat the multitude of domestic, regional and international flights feeding JNB.


Rgds

SA7700



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User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6545 times:

Does anyone have a route map showing DL's international flights? I've already lost track of some... they keep adding cities like, every other month or so!

Thanks!


User currently offlineAlitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4750 posts, RR: 45
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 6457 times:

the routes are doing ok.

Quoting Jj (Reply 20):
Does anyone have a route map showing DL's international flights? I've already lost track of some... they keep adding cities like, every other month or so!

Thanks!

there's some great route maps over at www.airlineroutemaps.com

Delta's specific: http://www.airlineroutemaps.com/USA/Delta_Airlines.shtml



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User currently offlineJj From Algeria, joined Jun 2001, 1227 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6248 times:

Thanks a lot! I'd never heard of that web site...

User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6250 times:

Quoting Alitalia744 (Reply 21):
there's some great route maps over at www.airlineroutemaps.com

I just checked that site for DL. They are pretty out of date.



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 37
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 5672 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 9):
Perhaps, but own metal means own cash



Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 9):
Perhaps, but own metal means own cash . The same as NBO could be said for both ACC and JNB, and yet DL flies there. Codeshares may be good, but own flights are always better. That said, NBO would indeed not be possible, as it would require a 777, all of which are used to the max as is. Unless of course DL pulls a JNB and start something akin to JFK-DKR-NBO, and have DKR as a connecting point for their African ops.

are you sure about your statment that own metal means own cash ??? you really think the airline are feeding there code-sahre partner with passengers wihtout getting anyting.... the system is a little bit more complex.... on certain routes a lot of airlines have even a 50% / 50% agreement on certain routes like UA / LH or KL / NW over the north-atlantic....



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25 Jfk777 : Rome wasn't built ina day. Any Delta servcie to Africa is great since no US airline had any before since Pan Am. To West Africa, Nigeria, Ghana, Seneg
26 Alitalia744 : the int'l routes are pretty up to date minus a few lat-am/carib/mex changes...
27 SESGDL : Never heard this before. Airlines usually ust put their code on a flight in order to draw more people into their system and another airline. I don't
28 Post contains images B747-437B :
29 Avianca : intresting theory.... looks like the airlinebusiness turned into a welfare business....
30 QXatFAT : I am sorry. I thought you were talking about KL and AF. Well, would it make sense that CO and DL would be code sharing with both KL and KQ on their f
31 Avianca : Casablanca
32 Danairbus : Casablanca, Morocco
33 QXatFAT : Thank you guys. Knowing this, where is there a large population of Moroccans? I think that it would be awesome for DL to start up a small hub in DKR
34 LouA340 : They could also do a JFK - DKR - NBO or JFK - ACC - NBO. With those routes they wouldn't need 777's for it since 767's can handle it. DL has already s
35 Evan767 : Yes, but plug in JFK-NBO in the Great Circle Mapper. Then plug in JFK-CMN-NBO. CMN is right on the way. Plus you get the benefit of another African d
36 Alitalia744 : Casablanca isn't on it's way for now.
37 Evan767 : How about JFK-CAI-NBO?
38 Post contains links Jano : Well, how would you explain this little joint venture KL and NW have had going on for years.. http://www.nwa.com/corpinfo/newsc/2007/pr020820071740.h
39 Alitalia744 : depending on what happens with KQ... CAI I could see coming back tho
40 B4REAL : Correct, the seatmaps in the case of all airlines and DL is no exception, are not an indicator of load factor - simply assigned or blocked seats.
41 Post contains images AT502B : Delta doesn't codeshare with SA. DL teamed up with Nationwide airlines to offer regional African connections.
42 DL777LAX : DL use to codeshare with SA, but SA and DL dropped the codeshare when DL decided to do Africa for itself.
43 AT502B : Exactly, hence DL now codeshares with Nationwide. I don't see your point?!
44 Delta787 : Actually it was when SA decided to join Star. Delta decided to keep flying the routes with its own metal.
45 DL777LAX : Ah, the way you wrote the post, I didn''t know whether or not you knew that DL used to codeshare with SA. Thats all.
46 ETStar : Alitalia has same dates for 680.00 USD + Est. Tax 326,- (standard Fare )
47 LawnDart : Actually, SESGDL, you are correct in stating that airlines put their code on a flight in order to increase their market reach, but they do, in fact,
48 LouA340 : I was wondering if there were any updates on DL's flights so far. How are they doing? Will we see any growth in these routes in terms of frequencies o
49 Stirling : Crazy thing about that. A couple years ago when they code-shared with Continental, the CO-coded flights SFO-LHR on VS, were cheaper than the CO fligh
50 2travel2know : If DL wants to have dedicated service to CPT in addition to their JNB flight, a good way to do it would be to fly to CPT via a destination in Norther
51 Viscount724 : CO still codeshare on all VS-operated flights between LHR and the USA (LHR only, not LGW). I had the opposite experience about 3 years ago. I was abl
52 B747-437B : Virgin only operates one US route from Gatwick and that is to Orlando, which is very much codeshared by Continental.
53 N770WD : They operate LGW-LAS daily which is not codeshared.
54 B747-437B : You're right. MCO is codeshared but LAS is not.
55 Post contains links Aviateur : I was in ATL for the launch of DKR/JNB back in December, and published the account here: http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2006/12/08/askthepilot212
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