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Aspen Airport To Be Closed For 60 Days  
User currently offlineFreakfor747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 67 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8821 times:

http://aspenairport.homestead.com/

Starting on April 9th aspen airport will be closed for 60 days. Guess I'll have to drive out to EGE to escape lol.

P.S. did a topic search and found nothing


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User currently offlineSkyWest700 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 57 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8759 times:

I wonder why? Thats a long time for such an important airport. Looks like a good time for United to give Mesa the boot and find someone else to serve aspen. I would not miss those mesa Dash-8's not even a little bit  duck 

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8739 times:

Quoting Freakfor747 (Thread starter):
P.S. did a topic search and found nothing

Actually they have a fact sheet on the runway rebuilding project on their website.

http://aspenairport.homestead.com/fct.aspenairport_060130.pdf



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8586 times:

Quoting SkyWest700 (Reply 1):
I wonder why? Thats a long time for such an important airport.

Taking a 7,000 by 100 foot runway down to bare earth and back (not to mention all the inter-related infrastructure stuff) in 60 days is no small feat. As far as the importance of the airport, it has to be done sometime, and they chose the slowest 60-day period in which to do it.

Quoting L-188 (Reply 2):
Actually they have a fact sheet on the runway rebuilding project on their website.

Somehow, I suspect the "topic search" he was referring to was his having checked Anet to see if it'd previously been discussed....  Wink


User currently offlineFreakfor747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8525 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
Somehow, I suspect the "topic search" he was referring to was his having checked Anet to see if it'd previously been discussed....

I was referring to the topic search on Anet as OPNLguy said. Sorry for the confusion.



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User currently offlineFURUREFA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 802 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8435 times:

Darn... I go to ASE a lot and this is a HUGE inconvenience. What are they doing to the runway?

Matt


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8401 times:

Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 5):
What are they doing to the runway?

Check out the "Information and Myths" section of the site linked by the OP...


User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 8057 times:
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Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 5):
Darn... I go to ASE a lot and this is a HUGE inconvenience. What are they doing to the runway?

Rebuilding it from scratch. They wear out, like any other pavement. Unfortunately, ASE is an airport with only one runway and there is no other way to do it. The fact that they can do this whole project in 60 days is pretty amazing.



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User currently offlineDinker225 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1063 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8001 times:

We had an article in the daily paper here in EGE saying that United is increasing capacity into and out of EGE by 112% during the Aspen closure. Last time I looked at the schedule we are keeping 5 daily Dash 8's into EGE as well as the 2 daily A320's until the end of April. It then drops to 7 Dash 8's during the day. It's usually 3 that time of year.

Dinker



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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4106 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7307 times:

Quoting SkyWest700 (Reply 1):
I would not miss those mesa Dash-8's not even a little bit

I thought UA had CR7s going into ASE now? Or did they scrap that (they were doing test flights about a year back IIRC)...


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13113 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7147 times:

The sensitive environment, the distance equipment, materials and construction workers have to brought in from and so on seems to me to make it a very tight schedule. They are apparently making a number of improvements for safety, better for handling plowed snow, and trying to get a lot of badly needed and long delayed work done. Let's hope the work all goes well and makes it a safer airport.

User currently offlineXpfg From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 633 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6749 times:

Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 9):
I thought UA had CR7s going into ASE now? Or did they scrap that (they were doing test flights about a year back IIRC)...

They still have them...most of the flights are actually all OO flights these days, with service from DEN, SFO, SLC, ORD, LAX, and DEN. All CRJ700's, with the exception of a couple of DSH-8's from YV every now and then from DEN.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 6742 times:

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 10):
Let's hope the work all goes well and makes it a safer airport.

After looking at this video someone sent me the other day (and also thinking back to that bizjet crash), ASE strikes me as one of those places where the real quantum leap in safety is going to be derived from aircraft-based improvements versus what's on the ground. (Unless they're going to blow up a sizeable chunk of terrain out there....)  



[Edited 2007-02-12 15:02:48]

User currently offlineATCT From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2293 posts, RR: 38
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5719 times:

Awesome video (Im assuming thats the new TAWS HUDS system that Gulfstream demoed?)

Anywho its awesome to see that new technology, thanks for posting that here!

ATCT



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User currently offlineC680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 588 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5508 times:

Quoting ATCT (Reply 13):
Im assuming thats the new TAWS HUDS system that Gulfstream demoed?)

A $1 million option that is worth every penny of it.



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User currently offlineSSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1276 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5323 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3):
Taking a 7,000 by 100 foot runway down to bare earth and back (not to mention all the inter-related infrastructure stuff) in 60 days is no small feat.

I love flying into Aspen.

I remember reading about how they rebuilt a runway in Frankfurt a year or two ago. They closed the runway each night, and worked like a finely tuned machine through the night, breaking-up about a 50 ft section (I am guessing the length, I don't remember exactly) and reconstructing/repaving it, so that it would be strong enough for the arriving flights from Asia the next morning. Then the next evening, they would rip out and rebuild the next 50 ft. section. This way the runway never "closed." It was interesting that the Asian airlines had already departed and were flying all night towards a runway that was chopped into two pieces until shortly before their arrival.

Of course - to work in this manner, with the priority being keeping the runway open every day, must be very costly, so Aspen's traffic does not justify the extra expense, I would imagine. 7,000 ft divded by 50 ft per night would be 140 days, plus the added expense of a highly defined construction procedure.

Quoting Dinker225 (Reply 8):
United is increasing capacity into and out of EGE by 112%

What is the drive like from Vail? How long does it take? I imagine some busses will be set up by United, no?



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5160 times:

Quoting ATCT (Reply 13):
Awesome video (Im assuming thats the new TAWS HUDS system that Gulfstream demoed?)

The video shows up at least a couple of times on YouTube, one labeled as a F-16, and another labeled as a Lear 60 landing using Honeywell's FLIR system.

Here's a day VMC version from a Lear 60, so compare with the FLIR version as far as the terrain goes..



User currently offlineAirEMS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5030 times:

Hopefully the weather holds out for our Lifeguard flights...... we can get Rotorwing in if the weather is good if it's below our minimums for our Rotorwing and the airport is closed then it could get interesting to get someone out


-Carl



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User currently offlineCaspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 382 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4961 times:

Quoting SkyWest700 (Reply 1):
Looks like a good time for United to give Mesa the boot and find someone else to serve aspen. I would not miss those mesa Dash-8's not even a little bit

Hmm... Too bad that YV bested Skywest in on-time performance in the United express system with last weeks release of numbers. Looks like Mesa was the number one regional in on-time performance, even dealing with United's CORA system.

Mesa is not that bad folks...and I for one would prefer to ride on the DASH than the Brasilia any day.



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User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3138 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3951 times:

Quoting SSTsomeday (Reply 15):
What is the drive like from Vail? How long does it take? I imagine some busses will be set up by United, no?

Over 100 miles and a little over 2 hrs, Aspen to Vail, if the traffic behaves and in good weather. That's about 30 miles farther than just driving Aspen to Eagle, however, where the aiport is.

-Rampart


User currently onlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6384 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3862 times:

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 7):
Rebuilding it from scratch. They wear out, like any other pavement. Unfortunately, ASE is an airport with only one runway and there is no other way to do it. The fact that they can do this whole project in 60 days is pretty amazing.

The home field, UAO, recently had a similar project done. The only runway, 17/35, was torn up all the way down to the dirt and re-built for higher axle loads.

While the main runway was closed, our field "reverted" to a towered field(!). We are the third busiest airport on Oregon, and the Air National Guard set up a temporary control tower on the Unicom frequency...(UAO is normally an unctrolled field(!)).

So, you're wondering, what did we use for a runway in the meantime? Well, they marked up good ol' Taxiway Alpha as Runway 17R/35L...all 2230 feet of it by 30' wide. It was a trip operating the Cessna from the field while all this was going on...they even brought out the large blinking X's Big grin

I'm wondering if ASE will still be open to GA traffic in a similar fashion  Wink



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User currently offlineAA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3820 times:

IMO, ASE is an accident waiting to happen--again. Too many people push (or are pushed) to get in there to avoid the "life altering inconvenience" of driving from EGE or RIL.

C680--You must not operate the Gulfstream with the EVS/FLIR shown in the demo. It is a $1M boat anchor. We have three aircraft so equipped and not once has anyone seen the runway environment via the EVS before it could be seen with the naked eye.

The only pilots who like it and think it's great are the Gulfstream demo pilots and Flight Test. TC



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User currently offlineILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3753 times:

Quoting Caspian27 (Reply 18):
Hmm... Too bad that YV bested Skywest in on-time performance in the United express system

Exactly. I'm no huge fan of Mesa, but the fact remains that their performance figures don;t lie when it comes to the United system, Higher on time percentage (into many of the same difficult airports that OO runs into), higher completion percentage, fewer customer complaints than other UAex carriers (yes that one suprised me too), and their contract is less expensive to UAL as Skywests.

I'm not trying to suggest that Mesa is wonderful, in fact I hold OO in a higher esteem then I do Mesa, but those numbers don;t really lie.


User currently offlineASEFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3596 times:

Quoting AA717driver (Reply 21):
IMO, ASE is an accident waiting to happen--again. Too many people push (or are pushed) to get in there to avoid the "life altering inconvenience" of driving from EGE or RIL.

Come on.



You guys should see the huge pile of aggregate they are amassing so that they can get this thing done on time. Anyone know if the CR 900 can fly in here?


User currently offlineXT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3409 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3521 times:

What concerns are there for operating say the 737-700ER with the short field kit. I know its banned by rule, but is this based on the politics of the area, or is there vaild converns with operating the larger aircraft out of aspen?

and as impressive as the FLIR is in the demo, I would have some severe concerns about it as at times the normal image was as or more important. Since the video doesn't show how the pilot actualy views its output, it leaves me with no idea how its used in actual operation.


25 ASEFlyer : We have a very politically active local population here, who would never let anything larger than a regional jet fly here. Also, surprisingly enough,
26 XT6Wagon : certainly TO performance is a concern, however I would assume that any 737 used would use the short field kit at a minimum, and I would assume a CRJ h
27 ChrisNH : Are there emergency contingency plans to get shipments of Grey Poupon in there?
28 ASEFlyer : Yes, we also have a flight that ferries Pomeranians from HPN 1x daily on a global express.
29 PSU.DTW.SCE : Well this shouldn't that big a deal since the construction is all planned during "mud season," at the very end of ski season as the areas shut down an
30 Goldenshield : It may be a sign that Mesa is starting to shape up; however, I don't think this is the case. If you look at the UAX jet operation as a whole, SkyWest
31 Post contains images Phelpsie87 : I was thinking the same thing. I have worked with Mesa pilots and crew before and most are great, but I don't think they can really compare to OO. I
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