SkyWest700 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 61 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9312 times:
I wonder why? Thats a long time for such an important airport. Looks like a good time for United to give Mesa the boot and find someone else to serve aspen. I would not miss those mesa Dash-8's not even a little bit
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks ago) and read 9139 times:
Quoting SkyWest700 (Reply 1): I wonder why? Thats a long time for such an important airport.
Taking a 7,000 by 100 foot runway down to bare earth and back (not to mention all the inter-related infrastructure stuff) in 60 days is no small feat. As far as the importance of the airport, it has to be done sometime, and they chose the slowest 60-day period in which to do it.
Quoting L-188 (Reply 2): Actually they have a fact sheet on the runway rebuilding project on their website.
Somehow, I suspect the "topic search" he was referring to was his having checked Anet to see if it'd previously been discussed....
Acidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1879 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 8610 times:
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Quoting FURUREFA (Reply 5): Darn... I go to ASE a lot and this is a HUGE inconvenience. What are they doing to the runway?
Rebuilding it from scratch. They wear out, like any other pavement. Unfortunately, ASE is an airport with only one runway and there is no other way to do it. The fact that they can do this whole project in 60 days is pretty amazing.
Dinker225 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1077 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 8554 times:
We had an article in the daily paper here in EGE saying that United is increasing capacity into and out of EGE by 112% during the Aspen closure. Last time I looked at the schedule we are keeping 5 daily Dash 8's into EGE as well as the 2 daily A320's until the end of April. It then drops to 7 Dash 8's during the day. It's usually 3 that time of year.
Two rules in aviation, don't hit anything and don't run out of gas, cause if you run out of gas yer gonna hit something.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13497 posts, RR: 17
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7700 times:
The sensitive environment, the distance equipment, materials and construction workers have to brought in from and so on seems to me to make it a very tight schedule. They are apparently making a number of improvements for safety, better for handling plowed snow, and trying to get a lot of badly needed and long delayed work done. Let's hope the work all goes well and makes it a safer airport.
Xpfg From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 636 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7302 times:
Quoting FriendlySkies (Reply 9): I thought UA had CR7s going into ASE now? Or did they scrap that (they were doing test flights about a year back IIRC)...
They still have them...most of the flights are actually all OO flights these days, with service from DEN, SFO, SLC, ORD, LAX, and DEN. All CRJ700's, with the exception of a couple of DSH-8's from YV every now and then from DEN.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 7295 times:
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 10): Let's hope the work all goes well and makes it a safer airport.
After looking at this video someone sent me the other day (and also thinking back to that bizjet crash), ASE strikes me as one of those places where the real quantum leap in safety is going to be derived from aircraft-based improvements versus what's on the ground. (Unless they're going to blow up a sizeable chunk of terrain out there....)
SSTsomeday From Canada, joined Oct 2006, 1280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 5876 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 3): Taking a 7,000 by 100 foot runway down to bare earth and back (not to mention all the inter-related infrastructure stuff) in 60 days is no small feat.
I love flying into Aspen.
I remember reading about how they rebuilt a runway in Frankfurt a year or two ago. They closed the runway each night, and worked like a finely tuned machine through the night, breaking-up about a 50 ft section (I am guessing the length, I don't remember exactly) and reconstructing/repaving it, so that it would be strong enough for the arriving flights from Asia the next morning. Then the next evening, they would rip out and rebuild the next 50 ft. section. This way the runway never "closed." It was interesting that the Asian airlines had already departed and were flying all night towards a runway that was chopped into two pieces until shortly before their arrival.
Of course - to work in this manner, with the priority being keeping the runway open every day, must be very costly, so Aspen's traffic does not justify the extra expense, I would imagine. 7,000 ft divded by 50 ft per night would be 140 days, plus the added expense of a highly defined construction procedure.
Quoting Dinker225 (Reply 8): United is increasing capacity into and out of EGE by 112%
What is the drive like from Vail? How long does it take? I imagine some busses will be set up by United, no?
AirEMS From United States of America, joined May 2004, 684 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5583 times:
Hopefully the weather holds out for our Lifeguard flights...... we can get Rotorwing in if the weather is good if it's below our minimums for our Rotorwing and the airport is closed then it could get interesting to get someone out
Caspian27 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 384 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5514 times:
Quoting SkyWest700 (Reply 1): Looks like a good time for United to give Mesa the boot and find someone else to serve aspen. I would not miss those mesa Dash-8's not even a little bit
Hmm... Too bad that YV bested Skywest in on-time performance in the United express system with last weeks release of numbers. Looks like Mesa was the number one regional in on-time performance, even dealing with United's CORA system.
Mesa is not that bad folks...and I for one would prefer to ride on the DASH than the Brasilia any day.
KELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6623 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4415 times:
Quoting Acidradio (Reply 7): Rebuilding it from scratch. They wear out, like any other pavement. Unfortunately, ASE is an airport with only one runway and there is no other way to do it. The fact that they can do this whole project in 60 days is pretty amazing.
The home field, UAO, recently had a similar project done. The only runway, 17/35, was torn up all the way down to the dirt and re-built for higher axle loads.
While the main runway was closed, our field "reverted" to a towered field(!). We are the third busiest airport on Oregon, and the Air National Guard set up a temporary control tower on the Unicom frequency...(UAO is normally an unctrolled field(!)).
So, you're wondering, what did we use for a runway in the meantime? Well, they marked up good ol' Taxiway Alpha as Runway 17R/35L...all 2230 feet of it by 30' wide. It was a trip operating the Cessna from the field while all this was going on...they even brought out the large blinking X's
I'm wondering if ASE will still be open to GA traffic in a similar fashion
Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
AA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4373 times:
IMO, ASE is an accident waiting to happen--again. Too many people push (or are pushed) to get in there to avoid the "life altering inconvenience" of driving from EGE or RIL.
C680--You must not operate the Gulfstream with the EVS/FLIR shown in the demo. It is a $1M boat anchor. We have three aircraft so equipped and not once has anyone seen the runway environment via the EVS before it could be seen with the naked eye.
The only pilots who like it and think it's great are the Gulfstream demo pilots and Flight Test. TC
ILOVEA340 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 2100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4306 times:
Quoting Caspian27 (Reply 18): Hmm... Too bad that YV bested Skywest in on-time performance in the United express system
Exactly. I'm no huge fan of Mesa, but the fact remains that their performance figures don;t lie when it comes to the United system, Higher on time percentage (into many of the same difficult airports that OO runs into), higher completion percentage, fewer customer complaints than other UAex carriers (yes that one suprised me too), and their contract is less expensive to UAL as Skywests.
I'm not trying to suggest that Mesa is wonderful, in fact I hold OO in a higher esteem then I do Mesa, but those numbers don;t really lie.
ASEFlyer From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4149 times:
Quoting AA717driver (Reply 21): IMO, ASE is an accident waiting to happen--again. Too many people push (or are pushed) to get in there to avoid the "life altering inconvenience" of driving from EGE or RIL.
You guys should see the huge pile of aggregate they are amassing so that they can get this thing done on time. Anyone know if the CR 900 can fly in here?
XT6Wagon From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 3503 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4074 times:
What concerns are there for operating say the 737-700ER with the short field kit. I know its banned by rule, but is this based on the politics of the area, or is there vaild converns with operating the larger aircraft out of aspen?
and as impressive as the FLIR is in the demo, I would have some severe concerns about it as at times the normal image was as or more important. Since the video doesn't show how the pilot actualy views its output, it leaves me with no idea how its used in actual operation.
: We have a very politically active local population here, who would never let anything larger than a regional jet fly here. Also, surprisingly enough,
: certainly TO performance is a concern, however I would assume that any 737 used would use the short field kit at a minimum, and I would assume a CRJ h
: Are there emergency contingency plans to get shipments of Grey Poupon in there?
: Yes, we also have a flight that ferries Pomeranians from HPN 1x daily on a global express.
: Well this shouldn't that big a deal since the construction is all planned during "mud season," at the very end of ski season as the areas shut down an
: It may be a sign that Mesa is starting to shape up; however, I don't think this is the case. If you look at the UAX jet operation as a whole, SkyWest
: I was thinking the same thing. I have worked with Mesa pilots and crew before and most are great, but I don't think they can really compare to OO. I