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Kegworth Air Crash - Original Newsflash Video  
User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5279 times:

Browsing through YouTube I came across this interesting video - the original BBC newsflash and early reports from the Kegworth air disaster in 1989.

Interesting to see some of the early confusion around the accident.



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User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 1, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5210 times:

Yikes, how can you mistake a DC-9 for a 737? Anywho, thanks for this interesting video Noel!


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User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1775 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (7 years 2 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5166 times:

Very interesting video. I remember this accident happening although I was just a kid at the time.
Also, how can you mistake a 737 for a DC9. The first witness must be able to tell living so close to the airport, as he even mentioned reverse thrust etc  Wink

BTW, did BD even have any DC9's?


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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7948 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5131 times:

Quoting Sketty222 (Reply 2):
Also, how can you mistake a 737 for a DC9.



Quoting Sketty222 (Reply 2):
BTW, did BD even have any DC9's?

That's funny. You're asking how an amateur eyewitness can't tell the difference between a 737 and a DC9, in the dark, in the trauma of watching a actually plane crash. OK, I think it's understandable and you don't, but the kicker is that you're asking if BD "even had" any DC9s. Well, how can you mistake the plane pictured in the opening thread for ANYTHING other than...dun dun DUN!

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User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5119 times:

BD had loads of DC9s which had just (a month or so before) started being replaced with 737s. They were by far bigger in numbers than the 737s at that time. I'm guessing that as a known DC9 operator the reporters just assumed it was a DC9. After all, a brand new aircraft wouldn't crash, would it  Wink


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I was 8 years old when this happened, but living in Leicester remember that night very clearly.

I have a friend who is an ex nurse at the Queens Medical Centre in Nottingham who was on duty that night. She told me she saw a lot of terrible things that night.


User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7948 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 5108 times:

They also had some -30s:

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User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4769 times:
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I think it's very understandable to mistake a DC9 for a 737 in the dark! Look at 9/11, people were saying the 767s were 737s in some reports, with some witnesses even claiming it was a 747 which hit the North Tower.

The picture always becomes clear eventually, but I do understand how such a mistake, particularly at night, could be made.

I remember seeing a news report animation of this crash, but I have no recollection of seeing the original news reports of Lockerbie, just 3 weeks before.... I was only 3 years old...



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User currently offline1stfl94 From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 1455 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4616 times:

Didn't some of the 737s have to be grounded after this accident? Any info greatly appreciated

User currently offlineBWI757 From Israel, joined Dec 2004, 429 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4543 times:

Quoting Noelg (Reply 4):
BD had loads of DC9s which had just (a month or so before) started being replaced with 737s.

Well, I was going to post a smart-aleck comment but I'll leave that honor to someone else  Smile

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26521 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4515 times:

I dont know how they could say it was a DC9 , when the tailfin is clearly different and it even says 737-400 on the back and there are no engines on the back also.

I remember this crash as I was at LHR that night and saw the BFS passengers checking in for that flight. Then later at home I remember the newsflash but not the one posted. It seems like another lifetime away since then.



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User currently offlineRichardPrice From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4492 times:

Quoting 1stfl94 (Reply 7):
Didn't some of the 737s have to be grounded after this accident? Any info greatly appreciated

Yes, the entire -400 series was grounded while the engines were checked for the fault that caused this crash.


User currently offlineEGTESkyGod From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1712 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4343 times:
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):
I dont know how they could say it was a DC9 , when the tailfin is clearly different and it even says 737-400 on the back and there are no engines on the back also.

Remember, it WAS dark....



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User currently offlineLapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1558 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 9):
I dont know how they could say it was a DC9 , when the tailfin is clearly different and it even says 737-400 on the back and there are no engines on the back also.

The section after the news item is seperate. Then it was know that it was a 737.


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4287 times:

Forget the DC-9 reference, the biggest mistake was Kirsty Walk's hair.

User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4237 times:

I make no apologies for what Im about to say!

For F#*K sake does no one writing a message in this forum have any compassion or thoughts for the victims and families effected by this disaster? Over 35 people were killed in the accident and many people were severely injured and are still living with those injuries today - unable to walk and in wheel chairs.

All you people seem to go on about is how the BBC were initially reporting it was a DC-9 and how bad it is local eye witness (who was probably not an aircraft enthusiast), reports seeing a different type of aircraft to what did actually crash. Eighteen years later the press still report some inaccuracies when reporting these kind of disasters.

I thought the news article was facinating and brings back the thoughts and emotions people must have gone through when hearing the news flash!


User currently offline777236ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4226 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 14):
For F#*K sake does no one writing a message in this forum have any compassion or thoughts for the victims and families effected by this disaster? Over 35 people were killed in the accident and many people were severely injured and are still living with those injuries today - unable to walk and in wheel chairs.

More people died in Europe today on the roads. Everyone here feels compassion towards those who were killed an injured, but a few platitudes on a website aren't going to help anyone.


User currently offlineHUYguy From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2006, 274 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4193 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 14):
For F#*K sake does no one writing a message in this forum have any compassion or thoughts for the victims and families effected by this disaster? Over 35 people were killed in the accident and many people were severely injured and are still living with those injuries today - unable to walk and in wheel chairs.

All you people seem to go on about is how the BBC were initially reporting it was a DC-9 and how bad it is local eye witness (who was probably not an aircraft enthusiast), reports seeing a different type of aircraft to what did actually crash. Eighteen years later the press still report some inaccuracies when reporting these kind of disasters.

Don't accuse anyone of having no compassion, I'm sure that everyone feels for the families and victims of the crash, however, the thread just went a bit off-topic. It happens.

People don't need to express their compassion for it to be felt.


User currently offlineSketty222 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1775 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4158 times:

Quoting HUYguy (Reply 16):
Don't accuse anyone of having no compassion,



Quoting HUYguy (Reply 16):
People don't need to express their compassion for it to be felt.

HUYguy is right. The discussion may have gone off topic but all enthusiasts have compassion when it comes to an aviation crash. Im sure everyones thoughts ae with the families and victims of this crash

Lee



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 26521 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (7 years 2 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4118 times:

Quoting HUYguy (Reply 16):
Don't accuse anyone of having no compassion, I'm sure that everyone feels for the families and victims of the crash, however, the thread just went a bit off-topic. It happens.

People don't need to express their compassion for it to be felt.

Exactly !!! And I know someone who was personally affected by this crash it doesnt mean you cant analise what happened and why certain information was reported at the time. Everyone feels sympathy with the victims and the ones who survived , it goes without saying!!! Just for the record I dont think anyone went off topic here !!! We were after all discussing the event and certain aspects of it which were all related.



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User currently offlineUK_Dispatcher From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2001, 2582 posts, RR: 30
Reply 19, posted (7 years 2 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3898 times:

I remember seeing the news reports of this crash at the time - I was only 9 years old but was already an avid aircraft enthusiast. This was the first time I found out that the B737-400 series existed actually. The aircraft was G-OBME and last time I checked there was only one photograph of this a/c on the a.net database. It would be interesting to see more photos of this aircraft, but I guess there will be very few since it was brand new at the time of the crash.

I later worked for British Midland between 1999 and 2005 and there were (and still are) many staff who were with BD at the time of the accident and had their own stories to tell of how they were involved with the aftermath. Interesting but moving stuff.


User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (7 years 2 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 3684 times:

Quoting UK_Dispatcher (Reply 19):
last time I checked there was only one photograph of this a/c on the a.net database. It would be interesting to see more photos of this aircraft, but I guess there will be very few since it was brand new at the time of the crash.

Sadly only two - this one:


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and a week later this one:


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