KstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 732 posts, RR: 0 Posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2107 times:
The title says it all really. Is there any possibility of an increase of WN presence in cities such as PVD, MHT, ALB, or ISP? They have done well in these cities before, and was wondering if they will increase in these cities in the future.
LV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 1811 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1916 times:
Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 5): Ya only 9 WN cities do not have this service non stop, RSW,
I think WN could start RSW-LAS and make a fair amount off of it. There are a lot of people between Lee/ Collier/ Charlotte counties that make the trip to the desert. Do it once a day and it will fill with good yield.
Iowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4095 posts, RR: 7 Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 1903 times:
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FLL-LAS would work well also. Other than DAL it's the largest WN station without N/S service to LAS, and I wouldn't be surprised to see it by summer '08. LAS-MCO went non-stop last fall, so maybe FLL is next.
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6363 posts, RR: 34 Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1697 times:
Quoting Georgiabill (Reply 10): On a side note, I am surprised that WN has not chosen to connect IAD with ALB,BDL,PVD ,ISP or MHT. IN MHT case not sure how big the market would be but perhaps shifting one or 2 BWI to IAD might work.
I agree, but I don't see WN starting any of those markets to IAD (and throw in BUF for good measure) with fewer than four daily round-trips, given that they'd need to have at least four or five flights each way to be competitive in terms of frequency. Perhaps you'd see one or two flights moved from BWI, but then again, there's a reason WN goes 12x BWI-PVD and 11x BWI-MHT. If WN were to build up PIT more, I could certainly see PIT-MHT, PIT-PVD, and PIT-ISP happening.
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3806 posts, RR: 2 Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1694 times:
I'm encouraged that MHT will receive three new flights from Southwest: One each to MCO (5), PHL (6), and MDW (5). PHL/MCO start next month; MDW starts in May.
MHT-PHX is the one we've all been waiting for, and quite frankly I'd have expected that long before any of the ones we WILL get. But that's where we're at.
Since we were the only New England station to gain new flights in these last go-arounds, I'd expect us to now get no more for awhile. Southwest will probably drop one or two flights into PVD, although I'm not sure whether the bloom is off the rose at BDL. I would be absolutely SHOCKED if MHT got yet another new flight the next time Southwest unveils new flights/routes. To a huge degree, deliveries from Boeing serve as a catalyst for new routes & how many.
RL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4537 posts, RR: 13 Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 1690 times:
Cities that PVD could support n/s on WN:
Each of those average over 150 daily O&D pax, many of those have well over 200, and good connecting/through flight opportunities.
Seems like WN is PVD's only hope for growth these days, until someone else can come in and kick up some competition.
My primary fear is the "Islip Effect" Where the more marketshare WN gains, the more the other carriers shrink. Competing services have been obliterated at ISP, and also, since WN passed 50% at MHT, offerings from other airlines decreased as well.....
Experience is what you get when what you thought would work out didn't!
Simply that MHT got three new flights and PVD got zero. I was suggesting that it was time for PVD to 'get something' from WN. Stands to reason, although in our case none were new routes...they were all additions to existing ones. So while your list of new cities looks appealing, it would be in keeping with recent Southwest strategy to add to existing markets rather than debut new ones. Like I said, the flow of planes from Boeing is key.
And the losses of MHT-BNA (2x) and PVD-ISP (at least 4x) are water over the dam, so to speak.
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3375 posts, RR: 18 Reply 18, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1637 times:
by "drop...into," I think he means they will ADD...
some of the cities on the list have a bit less than the 150 O&D. I usually look at markets from PVD that average above 90 pax each way for (65% LF) locals and figure another 15-20% LF would connect onward. If a city won't offer any connecting opportunities, then I'd go with 85% LF or about 116 each way.
KstateinALB From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 732 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1610 times:
Well, I think ALB can have sufficient service to these airports and I think WN can make it work...
PHL- compete with US, and can probably make a good amount by dropping the price down
IAD- compte with UA, would work if theres the right price
PHX- 141 daily passengers makes this flight doable with either WN or US
DEN- Has over 160 daily passengers, maybe once a day would work
FLL-about 200 daily passengers, again once a day would be good
ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3806 posts, RR: 2 Reply 20, posted (6 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1585 times:
Yes, sorry. Poor choice of words on my part! I simply should have said 'ADD.' But I think it's time for Southwest to ADD a few flights at PVD. I have a gut feeling that Southwest is more bullish on PVD/MHT than on BDL.
Not to be the bearer of bad news, but the only one that has a chance of happening on that list is FLL. All of those others are either transcon flights, or smaller WN stations with not enough O&D to PVD to bother with. There are several WN city pairs I can think of out there that dont have n/s service on WN that are over 400 pax per day.
The one reason as to why it might be successful is the fact that they can lower prices on the route and take many passengers from US and bring them to WN. PHL is somewhat of a big market here, and by coming in, WN can make US have to fight for PHL.