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US Airways Announces Intention To Apply For China  
User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8141 times:

Seems like Dougie "Tanqueray and Tonic" Parker can't get over the fact that he lost DL.

Press Release Source: US Airways

US Airways Announces Intention to Apply for China Service
Friday February 9, 3:32 pm ET
Airline Urges DOT to Conduct Full Route Authority Case


TEMPE, Ariz., Feb. 9 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- US Airways (NYSE: LCC - News) today notified the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) that the airline will file an application to fly nonstop service from the United States to China, and urged the DOT to conduct a full competitive proceeding for a route that will become available in 2008.
(Logo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20050223/LAW097LOGO)

US Airways had been considering applying for China authority for some time, and today responded to a Delta Air Lines application for Atlanta-Shanghai authority. US Airways asked the DOT to defer consideration of Delta's application until a full proceeding can commence.

"US Airways urges DOT to defer consideration of Delta's application until there is the opportunity for full consideration of such other applications as may be submitted. Specifically, US Airways intends to apply for the designation and frequencies at issue, and it is presently coordinating its proposal with affected parties, including the U.S. gateways and communities it will serve," US Airways said in its DOT filing today.

US Airways noted that DOT has conducted virtually every allocation of China frequencies by means of a comparative selection route proceeding. "There is no reason to deviate from that longstanding practice now, more than a year before the frequencies at issue even become available," US Airways said in its filing.

US Airways is the fifth largest domestic airline employing more than 37,000 aviation professionals worldwide. US Airways, US Airways Shuttle and US Airways Express operate approximately 3,800 flights per day and serve over 230 communities in the U.S., Canada, Europe, the Caribbean and Latin America. The new US Airways -- the product of a merger between America West and US Airways in September 2005 -- is a member of the Star Alliance, which provides connections for our customers to 841 destinations in 157 countries worldwide. This press release and additional information on US Airways can be found at www.usairways.com. (LCCG)

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User currently offlineXJET From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 492 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8116 times:

So, here we go with international LCC expansion over the Pacific. Great! I am glad Parker could get out of the tank in time to file this! Big grin

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5120 posts, RR: 28
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8029 times:

Quoting XJET (Reply 1):
So, here we go with international LCC expansion over the Pacific. Great! I am glad Parker could get out of the tank in time to file this!

I will drink to that! LOL! Just kidding! This is great news, and I hope they get it.



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User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7997 times:

Quoting XJET (Reply 1):
So, here we go with international LCC expansion over the Pacific. Great! I am glad Parker could get out of the tank in time to file this!

This has been discussed at employee "town hall" meetings since early January...the timing it came out is a coincidence.


User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1543 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8000 times:

I don't think USAir has any airplanes (currently, maybe A350 later?) with the legs to do China from one of their hubs...so where will this flight stop? From what hub will they market this, PHL? I don't really think they have a chance in heck of winning this over DL, AA or CO in the next round


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User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7938 times:

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 4):
I don't think USAir has any airplanes (currently, maybe A350 later?) with the legs to do China from one of their hubs...so where will this flight stop? From what hub will they market this, PHL? I don't really think they have a chance in heck of winning this over DL, AA or CO in the next round

There is talk about trying to acquire the 2 AC 345's coming up this June. Most likely the route would be marketed from PHL because of the feed. I think PHL would have a much greater chance of beating ATL or DFW.


User currently offlineKevinSmith From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7890 times:

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 5):

There is talk about trying to acquire the 2 AC 345's coming up this June.

Why is AC getting rid of them? Lease up?


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7891 times:

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 5):
I think PHL would have a much greater chance of beating ATL or DFW.

I disagree. ATL and DFW are new regions with no non-stops to China. The PHL metro area will have easy link via IAD and EWR. Personally I am waiting to see who applies for LAX-China first: AA or DL (IMO).


User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7853 times:

Already discussed:
http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/3253445

Quoting Mu2 (Reply 6):
Positiverate, go hit yourself in the face with a brick!

Wow, how mature  Yeah sure .

Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 7):
Why is AC getting rid of them? Lease up?

Better planes coming  Wink (77Ls).


User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7807 times:

Quoting Mu2 (Reply 6):
Positiverate, go hit yourself in the face with a brick!

Classy...

Quoting Mu2 (Reply 6):
There is nothing wrong with US Airways and nothing wrong with Parker.

Except for his drunk driving arrest, and previous other drink driving arrests, which would indicate poor judgement, you're right; there is nothing wrong with him. As far as nothing being wrong with USAirways, go look at your service levels (not intended for you HP folks; I find that the HP crews provide better service by and large).

Quoting Mu2 (Reply 6):
What the he11 does this have to do with Delta?

Since you are competing with them for this allocation, it clearly has a TON to do with Delta.

Quoting Mu2 (Reply 6):
We didn't merge so that means we can't expand on our own now?

No, you can, I just think the timing is ironic.

Quoting Mu2 (Reply 6):
Get over it, we are making money and we will try to make more.

Right, you have a license to print money over there.

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 3):
This has been discussed at employee "town hall" meetings since early January...the timing it came out is a coincidence.

Thanks for the clarification.

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 5):
I think PHL would have a much greater chance of beating ATL or DFW.

I disagree. Delta would offer Atlanta, the State of Georgia and the entire Southeastern United States its first nonstop service to China, a factor that DOT by its own admission in the Order has considered noteworthy in other selection cases.


User currently offlineWhappeh From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 1563 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7763 times:

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 10):
No, you can, I just think the timing is ironic.



Quoting Positiverate (Reply 10):
Right, you have a license to print money over there.

Excuse me while I, and the rest of the forum, go out side to have the best laugh at someone's expense in the history of the internet.



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User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7747 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 8):
The PHL metro area will have easy link via IAD and EWR.

Problem is, US does not codeshare with UA to China. I'm sure they would look to change that if this application is unsuccessful. While it isn't a compelling argument, US is the only network carrier without an Asian presence, they should be given the same consideration as the other applicants.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7688 times:

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 12):
While it isn't a compelling argument, US is the only network carrier without an Asian presence, they should be given the same consideration as the other applicants.

Agreed, they should be considered on the merits of their application. However in my opinion, PHL is less compelling of a gateway than ATL and DFW.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7664 times:

Quote:
US Airways had been considering applying for China authority for some time, and today responded to a Delta Air Lines application for Atlanta-Shanghai authority. US Airways asked the DOT to defer consideration of Delta's application until a full proceeding can commence.

Sounds like sour grapes to me. What has Delta's application done to damage USAirways that would deserve a full hearing?

While routes to China might be considered "licenses to print money" by some, an airline must have either an extraordinarily good O&D market to support the flight or an incredible connecting system. ATL can support a PVG flight due to its size and connectivity abilities. PHX, LAS, and CLT do not have the connections nor the O&D numbers to realistically support a flight, and PHL, while possible, might be marginal due to its proximity to the NYC area.

When all is said and done, however, the DOT will award the route to whomever makes the best case. Period.



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User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7656 times:

Exactly what route to China does US plan to apply for? The article does not seem to say. Everyone here seems to assume that US wants route authority from PHL although nobody on this thread has quoted an independent source that confirms it. Also, is US seeking route authority to PVG or PEK?

User currently offlineF9Animal From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 5120 posts, RR: 28
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7618 times:

I expected to see US attempt to enter that market. There is money to be made there, and I seriously doubt it is a revenge tactic to DL. US is going to move on with or without DL. The industry is about survival, and I see US looking into markets such as China and even further.


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User currently offlineDelta787 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7594 times:

Quoting IAD380 (Reply 15):
Exactly what route to China does US plan to apply for? The article does not seem to say. Everyone here seems to assume that US wants route authority from PHL although nobody on this thread has quoted an independent source that confirms it. Also, is US seeking route authority to PVG or PEK?

They are apparently still in negotiations with possible cities to serve. PHL to PVG or PEK seems the most likely but some people on the forum have said that they may apply from PHX.

[Edited 2007-02-12 19:10:30]


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User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7590 times:

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 12):
Problem is, US does not codeshare with UA to China

Out of curiousity, does US have their code on any other Star Alliance partners into China?


User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 7485 times:

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 18):
Out of curiousity, does US have their code on any other Star Alliance partners into China?

Just with UA...ORD/SFO/LAX-NRT.


User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23302 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7417 times:

If US is concerned about the relative saturation of the market in the northeast, they can easily apply to serve the route from PHX or CLT... they definitely have options in that respect. The flight will rely heavily on connections regardless.


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User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7380 times:

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 19):
Quoting Positiverate (Reply 18):
Out of curiousity, does US have their code on any other Star Alliance partners into China?

Just with UA...ORD/SFO/LAX-NRT.

So into Japan then, but not into China. Thanks for the info.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 20):
The flight will rely heavily on connections regardless.

Bingo, you hit the nail on the head. I think US absolutely should apply, but I don't think that any of their hub cities (CLT; PHX; LAS; PHL) will provide the number of connections that DL would out of ATL. Plus, DL offers things that US can't as well, like one stop connection service to Central/South America. If US's route structure were a little more mature (and I don't mean that as a swipe), they'd be a good candidate.


User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7319 times:

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 21):
ingo, you hit the nail on the head. I think US absolutely should apply, but I don't think that any of their hub cities (CLT; PHX; LAS; PHL) will provide the number of connections that DL would out of ATL. Plus, DL offers things that US can't as well, like one stop connection service to Central/South America. If US's route structure were a little more mature (and I don't mean that as a swipe), they'd be a good candidate.

All good points. How can a new entrant be considered then if having an existing "truly global" network is the deciding factor? US also does have a very significant Central American presence.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7808 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 7294 times:

Quoting Ca2ohHP (Reply 5):
I think PHL would have a much greater chance of beating ATL or DFW.

I wouldnt bet on that. ATL is a much larger airport as is DFW and the DFW area is growing much faster and soon will be the 4th largest metro area. I would bet that ATL-China or DFW-China would be selected over PHL-China. Im not saying that PHL wouldnt win, but to say that it is a slam dunk is dead wrong.



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User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 955 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7264 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 23):
Im not saying that PHL wouldnt win, but to say that it is a slam dunk is dead wrong.

**Disclaimer...only my 2 cents, as is your feelings on DFW/ATL.


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1666 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7238 times:

Quoting KevinSmith (Reply 7):

Why is AC getting rid of them? Lease up?

AC is beginning to transition to an all Boeing widebody fleet. It owns the planes and will not lease them out. It will sell them. Until it does, they are ticketed to remain in the fleet. They are scheduled to operate Toronto-Shanghai beginning on Aug 1.


25 Positiverate : And therein lies the problem, in my opinion, with how DOT does their selection criteria. Should it be "new entrant" into the China market, or "new en
26 Elcapi1980 : Quoting Positiverate (Reply 21 Bingo, you hit the nail on the head. I think US absolutely should apply, but I don't think that any of their hub cities
27 Sebring : AC is beginning to transition to an all Boeing widebody fleet. It owns the two 345s and will not lease them out. It will sell them. Until it does, th
28 Positiverate : Why not? No schedule has been announced for a potential PVG flight yet. Any place you can "connect" through PHX (which has a fraction of the connecti
29 RwSEA : US doesn't stand a chance. Here's why: 1) No recognition in Asia at all. 2) PHL/CLT/PHX don't have high O&D to Asia or China in general. By itself, th
30 Post contains links A330323X : Yes. US has already applied to codeshare on all of UA's flights to China. It's just waiting for DOT approval. Well, if DL's application were approved
31 Post contains images Ca2ohHP : As always right on the ball...thanks
32 Evan767 : Think again! You think PHL has a better chance than the busiest airport in the world? Don't think so!
33 Ca2ohHP : Boy you told me.
34 Steeler83 : PHL not having enough O&D to China, Korea, Japan, etc??? I find that hard to believe. Doesn't UA fly from IAD to Asia? I think they do, or am I gettin
35 LAXdude1023 : I agree that ATL would have a better chance than PHL, but ATL isnt exactly perfect. Its geographic location is downright awful for traffic to Asia. D
36 USPIT10L : Yeah, UA does fly to Asia from IAD, both NRT and PEK, but O&D also includes local traffic, which PHL simply doesn't have to Asia. I love to see US ex
37 KevinSmith : I said it in a similar thread but if they get the route and use the A345s that will be the first time the type has been used by a US carrier. I hope t
38 N666FU : And this is what I don't get. This is why people get the impression Parker is making this personal. If US wants to enter, let them enter and win the
39 Post contains images A330323X : There's nothing to enter--the DOT hasn't opened a route-selection proceeding yet, which is what US is asking for. *Five* airlines asked for the same
40 Lufthansa : I don't see why everybody thinks it would be so hard for US to get aircraft. How fast do you think Airbus can put an A340 together? Fast enough for th
41 Post contains images ZschocheImages : I completely agree though.
42 Cityguy : wow..China..what a great route-must be a sobering experience to try and expand that much! I bet with a flight that long, their must be plenty of food
43 Evan767 : I try, I really do.
44 Coleplane : I tend to agree largely based on the previous point that the entire southeast would be served. I think the answer, in which I suspect DOT would weigh
45 UALMMFlyer : US and UA will be code-sharing the new IAD-PEK flight.
46 MMEPHX : The good folks who run the casino's in Las Vegas would probably support US with a LAS-China application. That's a huge and enthusiastic market for cas
47 Mah584jr : Sometimes I wonder whether codesharing really helps the airlines that are involved. If US were to codeshare with UA on routes to Asia, then it makes i
48 PlanenutzTB : I don't understand why US can't just focus on improving the quality of service with what they have now. It's seems that customer satisfaction is secon
49 Flybyguy : Parker has gone mad... he already has codeshares within the Star Alliance that take US Airways passengers to China. The DOT is going to unanimously tu
50 LCFreeman49 : I highly doubt US Airways will ever be the envy of the industry because of the leadership. I know many people who think Doug is a genius, I am startin
51 SparkingWave : I believe that for awarding a route for China, that the DOT would prefer an airline that can provide the passenger feed with existing China-range airc
52 Post contains images N666FU : No, just US (*hic*) Airways. (*hic*)   I'm begining (*hic*) to think Doug Parker (*hic*) likes being made a fool of in public. (*hic*) [Edited 2007-
53 Vega : Thanks for reminding me once again of Deltoid immaturity.
54 Post contains links Vega : "Carriers Line Up Against Delta '08 China Flights" http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/story.jsp?id=news/DALC02137.xml
55 Evan767 : Ha, it figures. They realize that DL will give them a run for their money. So, they teamed up with US Airways which the other airlines know have no w
56 Post contains links Vega : Here's a little blurb out of a Philadelphia paper (today) about this effort. Something that caught my interest is that (supposedly) no one at US has y
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