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Venezuela Para Todos - Aviation II  
User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4631 times:

As the first thread is closed now - here is No. 2.

There are a lot of new topics to discuss and I wanted to put all current threads regarding Venezuelan aviation together. These are:

Lan Peru Starts CCS-BOG-LIM Flights!

Finally an additional BOG service with high quality making it more difficult for VH. And BTW: The CCS-BOG flight was reduced to 6xweekly about 3 months ago. But I doubt that the VH problem is service related rather than image related. If the flight is on time there is nothing to be said against the service at all. I just wonder why LAN got those traffic rights. I know there is/was an open skies during "Andean Community" times. But now that Venezuela has left this organisation ?

Santa Barbara's New Website: Online Booking!

Very nice new website. Although flight booking does not work with Firefox browser.... Santa Barbara is on a good track. I just hope that they will not be affected by the governments expropriation madness.

First Iran Air Flight Arrives CCS
Direct Flights Iran/Venezuela?

I had the "pleasure" to see the Iran Air counters (jointly with Conviasa) yesterday as well.
Looks like this will be an IR/V0 codeshare. V0 is the General Sales Agent for IR in CCS and IR is the GSA for Vo in THR.

Aeropostal "next" To Be Nationalized

Aeropostal is really having a bad time. Maracaibo frequencies cut from 6xdaily to 2, Barcelona cut to 1 daily....what is next ? The following 14 days BOG is operated via MDE......? I am not surprised that they have problems "keeping up their obligations". The government (INAC) is making live more and more difficult every day.
I know that this is also Aeropostal s fault. But we should not forget the way things are handled by INAC. In other countries it's up to the passenger to decide if he avoids a shitty airline. Here it is up to the government to punish bad service, making things even worse.
The nationalization is still a rumor. There is nothing definite (yet). But if things go on like this it is only a matter of time. And then it doesn't need a nationalization. VH will fold and Conviasa can take over the (unqualified) staff and the routes...even cheaper...and easier.
But still...Aeropostal seems to keep on fighting and is just opening new sales representations all over Europe to prepare their MAD-CCS codeshares with codeshares LHR-MAD, FRA-MAD, CDG-MAD, AMS-MAD.

JM Going Boeing

It would be great to see JM in CCS. I remember the "political" flights VIASA made in the early 90s to KIN and MBJ.

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User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 4605 times:

Quoting Charvett (Reply 44):
Politics apart... as I expressed on previous posts, we need to refurbish
our air transport industry. Improvements had been made...
but we need to follow up. Again, why to have five or six small inefficient
airlines? Why not to combine into two or three larger, strong and
efficient companies? One company that covers main national and
international routes, one that covers domestic and other that
covers social and feeder routes through the country. I made a thesis
upon that during my college years; as family and friends helped
me because of a wide aviation background here.

I totally agree. And we had this discussion here about 2 years ago. Less airlines would be good.
But: The government needs to improve the conditions within aviation:
- no more price regulations to guarantee a real competition
- less taxes on new aircraft (lease & purchase)
- much less bureaucracy

And then I could imagine the following scenario:
Conviasa: Routes to "underdeveloped" regions
Merge of Santa Barbara and Aeropostal for longhaul and shorthaul as the new flag carrier
Avior used as Regional carrier for this new flag carrier
Hard to say, but all others would not be needed any more.


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4540 times:

NEWS:
Avior is planning to start a direct service Porlamar - Miami. This has been discussed with the Governor of Nueva Esparta (mainly Margarita Island) on FITUR fair in Madrid in order to promote tourism.
This means that the intention is to bring more tourists from the US to Margarita. As much as I love this idea, I am in doubt if it will work due to the bad image the country has in the US.
Someone knows if Avior already applied for PMV-MIA rights ?


User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4534 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Thread starter):
I had the "pleasure" to see the Iran Air counters (jointly with Conviasa) yesterday as well.

I understand political interests in this flight. But where would the rest of passengers come from? Who really travels between Venezuela and Iran?



There is something special about planes....
User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4497 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 3):
I had the "pleasure" to see the Iran Air counters (jointly with Conviasa) yesterday as well.

http://www.nacion.com/ln_ee/2007/febrero/10/mundo991156.html


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4501 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 3):
Who really travels between Venezuela and Iran?

Having flown AF CCS-CDG yesterday and having seen that huge number of Chinese (around 50) onboard again just like on my last LH flight we can get an impression about how many "political" passengers they are able to produce. They were all wearing "Minfra" (Ministry of infrastructure) Poloshirts.
The other group could be people from the tractor and car producing joint venture starting to produce this phantastic car, the "Saman":


And then I could imagine a small number of Iranian tourists wanting to come to Venezuela. But that's it. And BTW, the flight is not bookable from DAM (yet)


User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4485 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 4):

http://www.nacion.com/ln_ee/2007/feb....html

Ok that is a wise idea to set up business. So i am seeing this route to be primarily a business route. The article didn't mention airplane type. Any idea which airplane would be used? They have SPs don't they?



There is something special about planes....
User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4481 times:

Quoting Captaink (Reply 6):
Any idea which airplane would be used? They have SPs don't they?

Yes, GDS indicates 74L which means it's the SP. It has already been in CCS two times when the two mad guys met.


User currently offlineTACAA320 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4432 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 5):
"Saman":

Or "Samand"?


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4416 times:

Quoting TACAA320 (Reply 8):
Or "Samand"?

Off topic....Yes, the Iranian name is Samand, the Venezuelan model is named "Saman". I guess due to the spanish pronouncement "Samand" would sound like Saman anyway.


User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4405 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Thread starter):
But I doubt that the VH problem is service related rather than image related. If the flight is on time there is nothing to be said against the service at all.

Just for the record, Aeropostal registered an on-time performance of 57% on its flights to Colombia during Nov06. A pretty bad record, one of the lowest between all airlines operating international flights out of Colombia.

The average delay time for Aeropostal was 86 minutes.


SA


User currently offlineCharvett From Venezuela, joined May 2001, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4377 times:

Following Chiguire's first post. That will be the best alignment.
Now, hoping INAC improves air transport


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4373 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Thread starter):
V0 is the General Sales Agent for IR in CCS and IR is the GSA for Vo in THR.

should check the fares with them....

Quoting Chiguire (Thread starter):
The following 14 days BOG is operated via MDE......?

just great, I am booked next friday to MDE and wednesday back to CCS, any info how is the schedule on the MDE-CCS run....?

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 5):
Having flown AF CCS-CDG yesterday and having seen that huge number of Chinese (around 50) onboard again just like on my last LH flight we can get an impression about how many "political" passengers they are able to produce. They were all wearing "Minfra" (Ministry of infrastructure) Poloshirts.

well the chinese comunity is increasing day by day in Venezuela, was today at the ONIDEX and I think after the Colombians the Chinese friends were the second biggest group...



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 4329 times:

Quoting Charvett (Reply 11):
Now, hoping INAC improves air transport

I disagree. It is not up to an kind of institution to improve the quality or to force a privately owned company to do so. Except safety.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 12):
should check the fares with them....

THR-CCS-THR is about 1000US$ plus taxes = 1200 US$. No fares available for DAM-CCS-DAM.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 4312 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 13):
THR-CCS-THR is about 1000US$ plus taxes = 1200 US$. No fares available for DAM-CCS-DAM.

sounds cheap, currently the cheapest flights for THR-CCS-THR costs around 1600 USD with AF via CDG....



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 20
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4251 times:

Today I received the links to these two videos, 10 years after the closure of our beloved VIASA. One of them starts with the commercial we've seen before but then continues. In Spanish, sorry!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKM_WAMZV6M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btpfBpO72kY

Jesús Santos is the maker of the first documentary, ex-tripulante from VA and speaks also in the second video.

Civilav, I'd appreciate your thoughts on this!



I wish that all skies were orange and blue!!
User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4228 times:

Both videos are horrible examples of the new way of journalism in the country. It could also be Cuban television.
The sad end of VIASA is being used by the government media for cheap propaganda in order to justify the current expropriations.
The facts seem mainly political. "Neoliberalism" is maybe the most used word. General facts are incredibly wrong or turned around. To say Iberia scraped VIASA aircraft and showing pictures of accidented aircraft in Buenos Aires as well as pics of DC10 finally scrapped in the last years is ridiculous.
It clearly shows that the government media is starting to fool the people of Venezuela. These videos are the best example - it's a shame !


User currently offlineCharvett From Venezuela, joined May 2001, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4186 times:

Referring to Chiguire's reply #13... thank's for the note. You are better informed of the current
issues today better than me; as I don't live in Venezuela anymore. How about a combination
of public and private entities. Let's say that some sort of recomendations from INAC, ICAO,
FAA, IATA plus a couple of professional and serious aviation consultants. What do you think?


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4120 times:

Quoting Charvett (Reply 17):
You are better informed of the current
issues today better than me; as I don't live in Venezuela anymore

I don't live in Venezuela either.....

Quoting Charvett (Reply 17):
How about a combination
of public and private entities. Let's say that some sort of recomendations from INAC, ICAO,
FAA, IATA plus a couple of professional and serious aviation consultants. What do you think?

Public entities set up basic rules of the game, e.g safety and private companies operate airlines - yes. It is not up to the state to:
- regulate and set up fares (as it is the case in Venezuela)
- regulate frequencies
- operate airlines, handling agents, airports
- regulate fare rules
The state needs to set up and monitor:
- ATC
- airline and airport safety
Passengers decide: which airline they fly, according to the usual market aspects e.g. fare/service ratio.

Sound easy ? Is easy. Read it Hugo !


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4105 times:

BREAKING NEWS !

Aeropostal President Nelson Ramiz resigns !

In order to recover the credibility of the airline and improve motivation within the company, the president and mayority shareholder, Nelson Ramiz resigned

His successor will be Erwin Gernie, a 40-year old guy. There are no more informations about him at this moment.

I wish that this is a real change and that it also improves the image of Aeropostal in the public. And I hope that Ramiz is really gone, taking care of his family and money, letting the new guy make his work in saving what he has destroyed.


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5925 posts, RR: 40
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4054 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 19):
Aeropostal President Nelson Ramiz resigns !

In order to recover the credibility of the airline and improve motivation within the company, the president and mayority shareholder, Nelson Ramiz resigned

His successor will be Erwin Gernie, a 40-year old guy. There are no more informations about him at this moment.

I wish that this is a real change and that it also improves the image of Aeropostal in the public. And I hope that Ramiz is really gone, taking care of his family and money, letting the new guy make his work in saving what he has destroyed.

intresting! is Erwin /german or swiss ???

anyway Aeropostal has a long way..... will tomorrow travel with them to MDE, after checking the last days I already calculated at least 1 hour delay....



Colombia es el Mundo Y el Mundo es Colombia
User currently offlineLamedianaranja From Venezuela, joined Nov 2004, 1246 posts, RR: 20
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4013 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 20):
intresting! is Erwin /german or swiss ???

Google doesn't know him either!



I wish that all skies were orange and blue!!
User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3998 times:

Quoting Chiguire (Reply 19):
Erwin Gernie,



Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 21):
Google doesn't know him either!

Maybe if I put the correct name: Erwin Genie.  drunk  Sorry.

Quoting Avianca (Reply 20):

intresting! is Erwin /german or swiss ???

I think he is Venezuelan ? Not sure.


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2005 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 3995 times:

Quoting Lamedianaranja (Reply 21):

Google doesn't know him either!

So now they do- for example:
http://www.tsj.gov.ve/Decisiones/scon/Febrero/112-060201-00-2897.htm

Looks like he was one of Aeropostal's lawyers before.


User currently offlineCharvett From Venezuela, joined May 2001, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 3952 times:

My friends:

Then why not to revamp Aeropostal:

1. Contract a good Aviation Consultant.
2. Simplify the Fleet (may stay with MD-80's & couple of widebodies).
3. Evaluate Routes (company may focus on regionals & medium
such as key domestic ones plus Latin America's
main cities(plus JFK, MIA/FLL, ATL, MCO)
4. Above all... good employee morale.


25 B757200 : Wasn't Lufthansa Consulting assisting VH last year? What was the result (if any)? Agree. Get rid of the DC9s and get some more MD-80s. Let me add a c
26 Chiguire : Sounds easy..but they have no money ! Even the smallest investment turns out to be a problem. What they need is fresh money from an investor. But at
27 CayMan : Fat chance. No international company in its right mind is going to touch an investment in venezuela until the door has hit Hugo Baby in the rear end
28 Post contains links IberiaA319 : As some may know, during these days two Venezuelan aircrafts are carrying stranded Air Madrid passengers from Ecuador to Spain, with a stopover in Sal
29 Chiguire : Isn't it nice from the Venezuelan government ? For Ecuador it is nice to have such a wealthy country as a friend. A country where everybody is rich,
30 Luisde8cd : Completely agree with you Chiguire. This clearly shows the evil Empire headed by Mr. Danger that we are winning the battle against them! When we take
31 Post contains images Chiguire : Todays News say that there will be a Conviasa service between Caracas and Dominica ! The honorable president of the United Bolivarian States announce
32 Post contains links and images Chiguire : Aserca has a "new" DC9: MyAviation.net photo: Photo © Thiele Nice colours, but strange as they are different to their other new c/s.
33 Viasa : This Aserca DC-9 was assigned to have a special promotion livery from Peugeot. But this contract was cancelled after painting the aircraft in this col
34 Post contains links and images Chiguire : Maybe the Peugeot Managers went to PMV and saw that there are about 50 new Peugeot 207 airport taxis and decided that they don't need this livery any
35 717fan : BTW, do have Aserca and Laser plans to ad newer airplanes? Why not taking any MD-80s? Thanks
36 MAH4546 : You have to remember that due to the huge influence of South American culture in South Florida, South Floridians in general do go on vacation in many
37 Chiguire : Yes, that's possible. A MIA-PMV route could certainly work on some day a week. An Avior flight would be perfect ! Laser has plans to replace the DC9
38 Post contains images Chiguire : NEWS: After starting 4 daily CCS-MAR with B737, Venezolana (RAVSA) will now start service to Porlamar (PMV) 2xdaily and Cumaná (CUM). Unfortunately I
39 DesertAir : When I was living in Guatemala in the 1990s I recall that there was service to Venezuela on an airline called, Servensa. I am not sure of the exact na
40 Post contains images Chiguire : The name was Servivensa. A sister company of bancrupt Avensa. Servivensa ceased operations at around the same time as Avensa itself in the late 90s.
41 CayMan : I agree and have always wondered how Avior manages to fill their Beech, at least the few times I've been stuck with no option but Avior PMV CCS very
42 DesertAir : Thanks Chiguire for the information and pictures.
43 Post contains links MAH4546 : Article on Avior on Miami-Porlamar. Looks like it is a go: http://www.abn.info.ve/go_news5.php?articulo=82135&lee=2
44 MIAMIx707 : Wow that plane painted fully bright blue is a beauty. A lot prettier than the other "new" colors IMO. Surprised no other Venezuelan airlines are flyi
45 Chiguire : I would say the potential is the same. The average income has increased significantly in the past years so that more and more people will be able to
46 Chiguire : Today there is a report in "El Universal" that TAM Mercosur wants to start flight from ASU via GRU to CCS this year. Unfortunately nothing is said abo
47 797 : Hey guys, Too bad I arrived late for this discussion. Anyhow, I have some news that might be of your interest. On Thursday 15th, I saw a pretty rare v
48 Chiguire : One thing I can imagine is that this flight was operated by Venezolana for Conviasa that day. Venezolana is only operating 4 daily MAR flights, most
49 Avianca : would be great to have other flight to GRU, but I have my doubt there is much market into ASU...
50 Post contains links and images 797 : I'm not so sure of that. By then Conviasa had two aircraft on the ramp: 732 & ATR42. On the other hand, Venezolana had a Jetsream... here's the evide
51 Post contains links MAH4546 : Santa Barbara Airlines applied with US DOT to fly DC-10 freighter service to Miami: http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=456739&docketid=
52 Luisde8cd : What?? The DC10 is coming back? They are requesting full rights to carry cargo from either: -CCS -PMV -MAR -LSP -VLN Stopping in either: -CLO -MDE -B
53 Avianca : As I understand they are already operating regular charter flights, I think usding Atlas 747F its correct, with the stopp they could fill up the baby
54 Luisde8cd : No need to apply, It's automatically allowed thanks to the Andean Open Skies Agreement. Saludos desde Caracas, Luis
55 Chiguire : Is this still valid since Don Hugo decided to leave the "Pacto Andino" ?
56 Avianca : I am asking me the same....
57 Luisde8cd : Yes it's valid. According to the Cartagena Accord a member country can denounce the Accord but it will still have to abide by it for 5 more years. Whe
58 Avianca : very nice!
59 797 : As Luis said, Venezuela has to remain in the "Comunidad Andina" for 5 years, so all those passports that were issued with that title under our countr
60 Chiguire : So far the INAC has not approved this service. And I guess it is much too late for Spirit now to start in April.
61 MIAMIx707 : I guess we can assume INAC is in no hurry whatsoever to approve this one being it's a US airline. Last week another 737-200 was flown down to Caracas
62 MAH4546 : And hopefully DOT does not hurry in approving Santa Barbara's application. I feel that their application should be put on hold or denied until Spirit
63 Chiguire : Maybe INAC is just waiting for DOT to approve Santa Barbaras application ? We should not return to the same situation we had a year ago but grow up.
64 MAH4546 : Huh? Santa Barbara applied yesterday. Spirit and American Airlines applied more than three months ago. INAC is being unfair and taking way too much t
65 Chiguire : You are 100% right in that. I didn't know Santa Barbara applied only some days ago. You just stated: I am sure BOTH sides will do their job and INAC
66 Post contains links Viasa : The CCS-A.net Meeting-Thread is now in the "Non aviation"-Forum... (why?). Here is the direct link to the topic: First Big CCS A.net Meeting: Planning
67 Chiguire : Thank you very much for this information ! I wonder what they are going to fly with this "new" aircraft. It would be stupid to have 4 planes now (if
68 Post contains links Viasa : Now the thread is back in the civil aviation sector, so it has a new URL: First Big CCS A.net Meeting: Planning Phase (by 797 Mar 3 2007 in Civil Avi
69 Chiguire : Three ? I thought they have two now (+1 J41). All they operate is CCS-MAR and it looks like they use the J41 for a daily CCS-PMV-CUP. I think they st
70 Viasa : Yes, three B737 and ten J41.
71 Chiguire : Yeees, that's what they say....... But there is one 737 and one J41 in service. I guess this was the second 737 that arrived and we are awaiting the
72 Avianca : yes the friends from Toyota.... but i do not see any problem we are just already waiting 1 year for a new affordable car... How is being the current
73 Chiguire : Honestly, I can not see "all" flights delayed. Another thing is BOG/MDE and POS which are really a mess. I can't tell you why. All other flights are
74 Erikgnoha : Do you know why is VH having this weird routing?. CCS-MDE-BOG, and they made LIM-CCS a redeye only for a few days or weeks (I am not sure) and the fl
75 Avianca : ok, to be honest.... maybe I the all flights delayed as I had a very bad expirience some days ago with them.... but yes specially the MIA flights loo
76 Erikgnoha : That's what I thought. But, VH used to deploy the DC-9 to Colombia. They could do this as a solving measure. The CCS-LIM leaves at 9:30 pm (as usual)
77 Avianca : they should, specially currently were the loads arent that high.... wow, so they will loose the clients who used them for europe connections.... its
78 Erikgnoha : However, the redeye flight will last one more week. On 12th of March will return to the normal schedule, leaving LIM at 6:00 am. Same thing with the
79 Avianca : anyway, I am sure the passengers that had this fiasco the last weeks will op on the LIM and BOG maybe also MDE route other routes, specially on the L
80 Erikgnoha : Totally agreed. As a customer I wouldn't tolerate more that 2 fiascos, but if they offer me a really good deal and I am on a leisure trip I might tak
81 Chiguire : Seeing the delays and cancellations of other carriers I would say that the risk is not higher than with any other. Without wanting to say that there
82 Post contains links MAH4546 : Update on AA at Valencia: http://www.el-carabobeno.com/p_pag_n...aspx?art=a130307b05&id=t130307-b05
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