Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
DL LAX-SEA  
User currently onlineLawnDart From United States of America, joined May 2005, 975 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7288 times:

Delta Continues Expansion in Los Angeles With New Nonstop Flights to Seattle and Los Mochis, Mexico

New flights are part of new balance of domestic and international flights as airline continues to grow presence at Los Angeles International Airport

Once daily on each segment, service provided by ASA...

Alaska Airlines must be quaking...  Wink

86 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26129 posts, RR: 50
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7268 times:

Actualy LAX-Los Mochis is only twice per week (Wed/Sat) effective June 2nd.

LAX-SEA starts June 7th

Both operate on ASA CRJs.

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/070212/113597.html



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26785 posts, RR: 75
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7235 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
LAX-SEA starts June 7th

Both operate on ASA CRJs.

What in the world do they think they are doing? This is going to start a blood bath between them and UA and AS which both fly much larger, lower CASM equipment.



Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently onlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7237 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 1):
LAX-SEA starts June 7th

Both operate on ASA CRJs.

LAX-SEA on an RJ? Well alrighty then.


User currently offlineAlaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7201 times:

Is DL trying to directly compete with AS????

we have DL announcing LAX-SEA and LAX-ANC, both of which are AS routes.

Plus LAX-SEA has a number of airlines already operating it like: AS, UA, and WN. I dont know about UA and WN, but AS opperates a lot of flights between the two cities, dont know how another flight will do. Perhaps now is time for AS to begin some flights to SLC and ATL.

SEA-ATL
SEA-SLC
PDX-SLC (Horizon)
BOI-SLC (Horizon)

I would have to think that these routes would be profitable.


User currently offlineCOERJ145 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1421 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7192 times:

2.5 hrs in a CRJ-200?  yuck 

User currently offlineBicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7190 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 3):
LAX-SEA on an RJ? Well alrighty then.

Other west coast routes with RJs include Air Canada San Diego to Vancouver and United Express LAX to Vancouver. So it's not all that unusual.


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7189 times:

Where is Los Mochis?

-Copa


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7115 times:

What's next, LAX-PDX; LAX-BOI perhaps? CRJ-700 service would have been more understandable on LAX-SEA, and maybe 2x daily instead on once. Maybe they intend on building the market up a little before adding additional flights on the route. Good luck to them though, can't wait to see more routes opened from places other than ATL and JFK that are mainline though...  Smile

Jeremy


User currently offlineLax44 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 62 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7116 times:

That's RJs now to OAK/SFO/LAS/SMF/RNO (starts in March)/SEA plus all their Mexican service. Good luck DL.

User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7117 times:

Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 5):
2.5 hrs in a CRJ-200?

Ughh, I know the feeling brotha. I had to put up with an ERJ from IAH-BFL on CO! That was pure hell! 4 hours!!!



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7089 times:

Quoting SESGDL (Reply 8):
LAX-PDX

I would say this has a pretty good chance of happening. Other routes that might happen IMO: MEX, SJO, PHX, DFW, DEN. Those are my guesses. Heck, let's go ahead and throw in LIH, shall we?



The proper term is "on final" not "on finals" bud...
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33272 posts, RR: 71
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7062 times:

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 11):
. Other routes that might happen IMO: MEX, SJO, PHX, DFW, DEN.

MEX can't happen. They don't have the route authority nor can they obtain it.



a.
User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6194 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7046 times:

Quoting Copaair737 (Reply 7):

Its about 100 miles NW of Culiacan,mx.


Delta is getting desperate for route here

ASLAX



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineNwray From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7040 times:
Support Airliners.net - become a First Class Member!

Just out of curiosity, are the RJs being used because that is the type of demand they expect, or because it is the type of equipment they have available?

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4136 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7011 times:

Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 4):
Perhaps now is time for AS to begin some flights to SLC and ATL.

AS code shares virtually all SEA-SLC flights with DL.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
What in the world do they think they are doing? This is going to start a blood bath between them and UA and AS which both fly much larger, lower CASM equipment.

My thoughts entirely. Once upon a time, Western Airlines was considered the only way to fly from LAX. Western had a substantial customer base in Southern California and was #2 behind UA to Hawaii. After the DL merger in 1987, the DL presence at LAX was squandered and piddled away by two successive regimes in management who knew nothing about network planning, and what Grinstein's and Garrett's ideas really were behind that merger 2 decades ago. While a success on the equipment commonality and labor fronts, it was a disaster with respects to network planning. The DL market share in the west enjoyed by Western was slowly handed over to UA (& AA to a lesser extent) on a silver platter due to ineptitude by management under Ronald W. Allen and Leo Mullin. Under Grinstein, DL has attempted to regain some of what they had, and re-establish some old loyalties, something not easily done after such a long time. The jury will be out for some time on to how well this idea is going to work. SLC-SEA is consistently in the top five O&D routes from SLC, so perhaps this can at least bring some relief to this one since flights are almost always over-booked.



DELTA Air Lines; The Only Way To Fly from Salt Lake City; Let the Western Heritage always be with Delta!
User currently offlineWhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6994 times:

Yes but Sea and the others....this is all about the feed to Mexico.

Culican and Los Mochis are big ag centers that suggest DL could add a MRY-LAX or FAT-LAX feed for their Mexican routes next. Not for Mexican nationals, per se, rather the ag industry that commutes from a number of West Coast cities into Mexico each week, especially during the winter months when much of California agriculture moves to West Mexico.

It's an interesting experiment. Experiment meaning just that....


User currently onlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2951 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6984 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 15):
AS code shares virtually all SEA-SLC flights with DL.

Well perhaps we'll see AS enter the SEA-SLC market.


User currently offlineZsx81 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6931 times:

Ok LAX- LMM pricing at Delta.com

From $228.20 round trip


This is not bad. Guess i got a summer vac to plan.


User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 2723 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6918 times:

So who will ride on these RJ's between LAX and SEA?

The flight is loaded on DL's system. Arriving in LAX at 0955 and the return flight leaving LAX at 1805.

Connections to Mexico and limited S. American desitnations?
SkyMiles redeptions?
Die hard SkyMiles participants?

Hawaii misconnects as currently scheduled.
Connections to ATL, CVG and SLC could only help non-revs.

Has DL ran out of places to feed traffic at their hubs of ATL, SLC, CVG and JFK?

All this flight will do is add more traffic for ATC to deal with at LAX.

[Edited 2007-02-13 04:14:44]

User currently offline77411 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6880 times:

I am sure it is an experiment as well as a stop gap measure. DL has said it wants to expand LAX but they currently do not have the equipment to do so. As a result DL will use ASA to fly routes on their behalf to at least say they are trying to use the gates at LAX to their fullest. If some of these routes succeed and that may be a big if, I am sure DL metal will take the routes over. If DL loses the gates they will be lost for good which will kill future expansion plans.

User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6194 posts, RR: 24
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 17):

I doubt Alaska will even react to this flight. It will not effect AS in any way.

On June 7th:
DL= 50 seats daily/ 1 flight
AS= 1568 seats daily /12 daily

ASLAX



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined exactly 8 years ago today! , 2723 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6858 times:

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 16):
fter the DL merger in 1987, the DL presence at LAX was squandered and piddled away by two successive regimes in management who knew nothing about network planning,

Talk about network planning, let's look at Western before and after deregulation. Before deregulation Western's route planning mostly consisted of Point-to-point operations in the west. After derregulation ALL airlines except Western immediately dropped many routes and added routes into a hub that they built.

I saw maps of carriers routes a couple of years after deregulation showing deleted and added routes since deregulation. All other airlines' maps showed deleted routes that were fragemented and added routes into one or more hubs.

With Western, the deleted and added maps both looked the same - fragmented routes without any apparent network planning. It took a couple more years until Western found out that they should hub at SLC and realize that they couldn't plan on making money from MSP-PHX on a one-stop when NW and others started flying it non-stop. They lost precious time is which they could have hubbed LAX more effectively.


User currently offlineAlexInWa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6839 times:

I think this is interesting as DL did nothing to keep what Western built between SEA-LAX back in the day. LAX (SoCal) is the 2nd biggest O/D out of SEA. It doesn't surprise me that DL wants a piece of it, but even UA is struggling to keep up.

Back in the day, PSA, United, Western, Alaska,...etc all did this non-stop. DL kept 5x daily till about the mis 90's I think. Slowly faded to nothing.

UA once ran 737 and 727 every hour.

Now......AS is the 600lb gorilla (13x or 14x to LAX alone) and UA barely keeps up with 4x daily. And not to mention the 737-500 is the bird of choice. I always thought SEA-LAX non-stop is a route WN should look at as they have no SEA to SoCal non-stop service.



You mad Bro???
User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3133 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6808 times:

Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 4):
Plus LAX-SEA has a number of airlines already operating it like: AS, UA, and WN.

WN does not fly SEA-LAX. The farthest south they go from SEA is SJC/OAK.

Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 16):
Yes but Sea and the others....this is all about the feed to Mexico.

Right. Probably just a utilization turn, and to feed Mexico service. We'll see how it works out though - SEA doesn't have as much demand to Mexico as other cities on the West Coast.


25 HVNandrew : DL really wants to get back into the LAX market. They could either start a full scale buildup, and take MD88s/738s off of proven routes, and throw the
26 SLCUT2777 : SLC had a central location that LAX could not offer, and no UA, CO or original F9 to compete with as at DEN. It was 1982 that Western really got SLC
27 WesternA318 : They started building up the hub in around 1982 or so, and by 1986, I believe plans were to move the HQ to SLC.
28 Alaska737 : true but they do offer direct flights to LAX, i believe it stops in SAC, RNO or OAK...I know that they dont offer non-stop service but people still f
29 AlexInWa : WN does non-stop SEA-LAS/PHX/ABQ/MCI/MDW/BNA Just saying that I would think non-stop SEA-LAX would be a great addition out of SEA. Although since the
30 FATFlyer : I'd agree. Los Mochis is big for cotton and tomatoes along with other crops. All big in the Fresno and Monterey areas.
31 Floridaflyboy : I remember when HP express used to use the CRJ-200 from BIL-PHX. It was not cool
32 LAXdude1023 : LAX-SEA on a CRJ-200. Really??? Well we can add this to the list of flights ill never take. They need an MD-88 on this at least. Quite frankly DL is s
33 Gunsontheroof : I figured LAX-SEA would pop up at some point with their continuing LAX expansion, but I'm really surprised to see that they're only throwing a CRJ at
34 Post contains images MD90fan : It's becoming really obvious that Delta has abundance of CRJs How do they really think they can compete in the swamped LAX market with uneconomical 50
35 Asqx : Certainly not as much as say LA but there are a good number of migrant workers, especially from the farm fields of eastern Washington that travel bac
36 Milesrich : Grinstein may want to reestablish Delta at LAX but offering CRJ-200 flights to SEA is not the way to do it. Who in their right mind would choose to ta
37 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : Mullin is the one that screwed LAX up along with Ronald W. Allen more than any two successive CEO's ever could with one carrier ! There was talk of t
38 Post contains images IPFreely : Would not be most people's choice. I flew a United Express CRJ from Edmonton to Chicago about a year ago. It got pretty uncomfortable after the first
39 Iowaman : Wow. I think I'll pass on a CRJ-200 flying LAX-SEA. Interestingly enough, LAX-LAS is going from 2x CR1 to 2x CR7 March 1st. Appears to have great load
40 S12PPL : WN does not fly any non stop service between the pacific NW and LA. All service on WN is direct, or connecting.
41 WesternA318 : They built a building in SLC slated for HQ, but the deal with DL came shortly after development and construction started, then Delta cancelled the ob
42 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : That is the old Commercial Security Bank tower that sits above Crossroads Plaza. the Beneficial Life tower sits over the old ZCMI Center Mall over on
43 N1120A : More abject stupidity. LAS is a profitable market if you fly the right sized aircraft, which means 735 and up. Running a CRJ, even a -700, means you
44 WesternA318 : LMAO, just look at the "Landfill" on the corner of 300 West and South Temple..
45 Gunsontheroof : Given the business traffic on the route, I'm a bit surprised to see DL making this equipment selection. I'm putting my money on an equipment upgrade
46 Post contains images WesternA318 : *puts $5 down....MD-88/-90 or 737-800? I'd go with the 738..*
47 Socalatc : You can earn DL miles flying on AS. Ill take the MD/737 any day.
48 AS739X : DL will not be getting business traffic on this flight. Biz pax want flexibility, hence airlines going for frequency. 1 CRJ south in the morning and
49 Gunsontheroof : That was my point. Eventually, DL is going to want a share of the biz traffic between LAX and SEA, which will require them to upgrade their equipment
50 AS739X : Delta would be better of codesharing on the route IMHO. DL has very little market presence in the NW other then being the airline that closed its PDX
51 AirframeAS : I'd love to see that happen. Yes, I'm being serious. And vice versa... AS and DL are already codeshare partners, you know that...............right??
52 EXAAUADL : I guess they are trying to fill up the Mexico flights....BTW anyone know how their other LAX flights are doing?
53 EXAAUADL : Doubtful, they would just codeshare on American Eagle...Folks we're talking about really really low fares in these markets.
54 Kwbl : This seems to be one of the stupidest manuvers I've seen-clearly DL is going after all of that high yield business taffic with a single CRJ in a very
55 TL8490 : This is starting to look like JFK in reverse. Get all the feed for international...then start international from LAX....This looks very similar to the
56 DAL767400ER : While the 757s will replace 767s, mostly to Hawaii outside of HNL, I doubt it would mean DL starting LAX-Asia, though other folks on here tend to thi
57 Laxintl : While certainly not indicative of all the flights, they have had a few Mexico customs arrivals with 10 or so people in the last couple week. The jury
58 LAXdude1023 : I will believe DL wants LAX-Asia when I see it. Believe me if they do, I will throw away my UA Priemer card and start flying DL exclusively as I trav
59 FATFlyer : And we're talking about agribusiness with big travel budgets. Many times making last minute trips. The problem for the large ag corporations in place
60 727forever : Rather than getting agrivated, I could see further expansion of the AS/DL codeshare here. Plenty of code shares work where both airlines compliment e
61 Jetlanta : Everyone is missing the point. Delta is in Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection. LAWA objected to the proposed reorganization plan. Delta made a deal to i
62 MaverickM11 : They've seemingly throttled back on LIR, ACA, CUL, LAP, and ZIH.
63 Laxintl : Actually LAWA is whole heartedly still going after DL. Two weeks ago there was a hearing whose outcome will likely require Delta to finally either as
64 Alitalia744 : couldn't have said it better. and the lines aren't hard to read between if you just focus.... looking forward to the upcoming....
65 Jetlanta : Are you sure this is still the case? LAWA withdrew its objection to the Delta reorganization just last week. While there may still be a hearing sched
66 RoseFlyer : SEA-Mexico is a big market. It's really big to the beach destinations. Connecting traffic from SEA fueled AS's expansion into the the west coast of M
67 RwSEA : I should clarify. Demand to the resorts along the coast is huge from SEA. However, there is comparatively less demand to smaller markets in Mexico th
68 Post contains images Tango-Bravo : Only AS and UA currently fly the route non-stop. Which number continues to decline. As if AS is inviting other carriers to pick up the demand they ha
69 Post contains images Laxintl : Very much so. You can read all the argument and court filings at the DL BK website. Docket numbers are 4423, 4425, 4427, 4428. The withdrawal of obje
70 Evan767 : The average Joe looking for a cheap fare between the Los Angeles area and Seattle and doesn't give a damn whether they are flying on an A380 or B1900
71 LAXdude1023 : Youre wrong. Even my grandmother who flies once a year will ask the airline what kind of plane it is and if its a small one, she wont do it. Most fli
72 N1120A : Most definately know what an RJ is and will classify them as a "little plane"
73 NW747-400 : Just a quick comment...while I agree that long flights on a CR2 such as LAX/SEA are absolutely miserable, most of the traveling public have no idea wh
74 FATFlyer : Some people will also ponder flying on a RJ versus having to change terminals at LAX. Avoiding hauling carryons around at LAX might win out for some p
75 Stirling : It could be argued that the men in charge of American, twice, with AirCal and RenoAir, then USAir with PSA, and Republic with Hughes Air West were al
76 ORD : I would agree with you that the average passenger doesn't know much about aircraft when making a reservation. But they'll know when they board the pl
77 Tango-Bravo : That may indeed be what he swore he would never do again. However, if he is a typical airline pax, what it really means is that even if he swears "ne
78 WhatUsaid : Things we do for frequent flyer miles, like RSW-ORD, ORD-COS, COS - LAX, LAX - FAT. I will say, it was a long, long day. Anyone else for trans-con RJ
79 CALPSAFltSkeds : Nancy Pelosi?
80 Post contains images SLCUT2777 : She wants to be the first U.S. House Speaker to get a 752. After all Dick Cheney gets one!
81 Alaska737 : if you would have read post 28 then you would know that i already adressed that. could i see some facts to back up this claim? In december they were
82 AvConsultant : Why would a I take a CRJ over a mainline AS???? Not for the service
83 Tango-Bravo : Glad you asked! In what I believe to be the last paper timetable published by Alaska Airlines, dated Feb. 13, 2000 - April 29, 2000... 17 weekday non
84 Alaska737 : The numbers i used in mine were from the downloadable timetable from alaskaair.com, except for the part from the summer of 2001. that was from the pa
85 EXAAUADL : There is enough local traffic in these markets, but fares are quite low. Also RJs may not be suitable due to VFR traffic taking home everything inclu
86 SANFan : ...20% of the reason for this new (SEA-LAX) service. ...the other 80% of the reason! DL is obviously NOT taking on AS; they are simply adding a way f
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
DL LAX-PSP!? posted Tue Dec 26 2006 02:51:28 by COERJ145
What DL LAX Build Up? posted Sat Sep 23 2006 20:38:23 by Ikramerica
DL LAX Focus City? posted Mon Aug 7 2006 21:13:08 by UnitedNRT
DL LAX-MSY? posted Sat Feb 4 2006 08:14:43 by MD90fan
United First Class Service On Lax-sea Flights posted Wed Jun 1 2005 23:01:19 by HpB737100
Ua Lax-sea-lax Inflight Service? posted Mon Jul 19 2004 17:26:55 by HpB737100
DL In SEA posted Sat Jul 10 2004 20:26:05 by Lono
Alaska LAX-SEA Expectations posted Thu Jun 3 2004 18:02:37 by Modesto2
02/06/04 AS597 LAX-SEA Reg. Info? posted Sat Feb 7 2004 07:40:11 by Rizzibird
DL LAX-FLL posted Tue Oct 21 2003 17:40:20 by Modesto2