Alaska737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1063 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7366 times:
Is DL trying to directly compete with AS????
we have DL announcing LAX-SEA and LAX-ANC, both of which are AS routes.
Plus LAX-SEA has a number of airlines already operating it like: AS, UA, and WN. I dont know about UA and WN, but AS opperates a lot of flights between the two cities, dont know how another flight will do. Perhaps now is time for AS to begin some flights to SLC and ATL.
SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3508 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7280 times:
What's next, LAX-PDX; LAX-BOI perhaps? CRJ-700 service would have been more understandable on LAX-SEA, and maybe 2x daily instead on once. Maybe they intend on building the market up a little before adding additional flights on the route. Good luck to them though, can't wait to see more routes opened from places other than ATL and JFK that are mainline though...
SLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4174 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7176 times:
Quoting Alaska737 (Reply 4): Perhaps now is time for AS to begin some flights to SLC and ATL.
AS code shares virtually all SEA-SLC flights with DL.
Quoting N1120A (Reply 2): What in the world do they think they are doing? This is going to start a blood bath between them and UA and AS which both fly much larger, lower CASM equipment.
My thoughts entirely. Once upon a time, Western Airlines was considered the only way to fly from LAX. Western had a substantial customer base in Southern California and was #2 behind UA to Hawaii. After the DL merger in 1987, the DL presence at LAX was squandered and piddled away by two successive regimes in management who knew nothing about network planning, and what Grinstein's and Garrett's ideas really were behind that merger 2 decades ago. While a success on the equipment commonality and labor fronts, it was a disaster with respects to network planning. The DL market share in the west enjoyed by Western was slowly handed over to UA (& AA to a lesser extent) on a silver platter due to ineptitude by management under Ronald W. Allen and Leo Mullin. Under Grinstein, DL has attempted to regain some of what they had, and re-establish some old loyalties, something not easily done after such a long time. The jury will be out for some time on to how well this idea is going to work. SLC-SEA is consistently in the top five O&D routes from SLC, so perhaps this can at least bring some relief to this one since flights are almost always over-booked.
DELTA Air Lines; The Only Way To Fly from Salt Lake City; Let the Western Heritage always be with Delta!
WhatUsaid From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 676 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7159 times:
Yes but Sea and the others....this is all about the feed to Mexico.
Culican and Los Mochis are big ag centers that suggest DL could add a MRY-LAX or FAT-LAX feed for their Mexican routes next. Not for Mexican nationals, per se, rather the ag industry that commutes from a number of West Coast cities into Mexico each week, especially during the winter months when much of California agriculture moves to West Mexico.
It's an interesting experiment. Experiment meaning just that....
77411 From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 7045 times:
I am sure it is an experiment as well as a stop gap measure. DL has said it wants to expand LAX but they currently do not have the equipment to do so. As a result DL will use ASA to fly routes on their behalf to at least say they are trying to use the gates at LAX to their fullest. If some of these routes succeed and that may be a big if, I am sure DL metal will take the routes over. If DL loses the gates they will be lost for good which will kill future expansion plans.
CALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2854 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 7023 times:
Quoting WhatUsaid (Reply 16): fter the DL merger in 1987, the DL presence at LAX was squandered and piddled away by two successive regimes in management who knew nothing about network planning,
Talk about network planning, let's look at Western before and after deregulation. Before deregulation Western's route planning mostly consisted of Point-to-point operations in the west. After derregulation ALL airlines except Western immediately dropped many routes and added routes into a hub that they built.
I saw maps of carriers routes a couple of years after deregulation showing deleted and added routes since deregulation. All other airlines' maps showed deleted routes that were fragemented and added routes into one or more hubs.
With Western, the deleted and added maps both looked the same - fragmented routes without any apparent network planning. It took a couple more years until Western found out that they should hub at SLC and realize that they couldn't plan on making money from MSP-PHX on a one-stop when NW and others started flying it non-stop. They lost precious time is which they could have hubbed LAX more effectively.
AlexInWa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 7004 times:
I think this is interesting as DL did nothing to keep what Western built between SEA-LAX back in the day. LAX (SoCal) is the 2nd biggest O/D out of SEA. It doesn't surprise me that DL wants a piece of it, but even UA is struggling to keep up.
Back in the day, PSA, United, Western, Alaska,...etc all did this non-stop. DL kept 5x daily till about the mis 90's I think. Slowly faded to nothing.
UA once ran 737 and 727 every hour.
Now......AS is the 600lb gorilla (13x or 14x to LAX alone) and UA barely keeps up with 4x daily. And not to mention the 737-500 is the bird of choice. I always thought SEA-LAX non-stop is a route WN should look at as they have no SEA to SoCal non-stop service.