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Why Is UAL Retiring Its 747-200s?  
User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2065 times:

Does anyone know why United is retiring its B747-200s by 15/12/2000? It doesn't seem that they are that old.

Besides, does anyone know what are they going to do with them? Sell them or scrap them? Or simply convert them to freighters........

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User currently offlineGKirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24964 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 1968 times:

To reduce costs? I think it would be cheaper flying new 777s rather than quite old 747s. Thats only a guess though.


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User currently offlineModesto2 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2819 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 1947 times:

The 742's are getting old. Four engines, three crew members. How about the 777? Two engines, two crew members. It's time those classics got retired. The 777 is designed to replace olders 747's.

User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1932 times:

Its sad to see the classics go, especially the UAL 747-200s, they are the best.

     


User currently onlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8041 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1923 times:

UA will have to completely retire their 742's because they are getting way up there in terms of airframe life.

That's why UA has bought a large fleet of 772's and may end up buying even more 772's (regular and ER version) for their medium load international services and high load domestic services.

I believe that UA's 742 fleet were bought in the late 1970's to middle 1980's and many came from other airlines.


User currently offlineUARAMPMAN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1893 times:

All thoe the 747-200 are still very air worthy.It just cost more to operate them with three crew members in the flight deck as well as the cost of keeping them running.They will be sold to companys that wish to buy them.United will not use them for scrap parts

User currently offlineSdate747 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 272 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

That is not true. UA is not moving towards an all Airbus fleet. The 777 will serve UA well for many years to come. and the 747-400's are not leaving anytime soon either. Sabena is a different story, UA is a real RED BLOODED american airline.

       


User currently offlineUARAMPMAN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1859 times:

I don't know where you got your info from but it is totally false.United has no plans to stop purchasing boeing aircraft.

User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1841 times:

That's totally false. They will for sure be getting more 772s as well as 744s. In fact, they still have 772s on order and they just had a 744 delivered in May 2000.

Anymore idea on the 742s?


User currently offlineILUV767 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3141 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1833 times:

United will remain one of the largest operators of Boeing products, for myears to come. By ordering the A340, it drives up costs. United has no plans for the A340!

User currently offlineBoeing747-400 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1832 times:

Ummmmmmmmmmmm, no.

United has no plans to order any Airbus exept the A32X and possibly the A3XX. But definetly not the A340-600, it would make no sense in UALs fleet.

How do you expect all the Boeing aircraft in UAL to be gone in a little over 6 years?

??????????

United will always be a strong Boeing customer, especially the strong fleet of 747s, 777s, 757s, and 737s will all back this up.

Rgds,

B744


User currently offlineTimobear From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1820 times:

Hello,

Just a quick note, (or question) Tarantine - I was wondering where you got your false information about UAL converting to 100% Airbus ops. Just curious.

Also, UAL does NOT own their 742's, but rather they lease them. United is ending their lease early in order to save money. They are even paying a penalty for doing so, but in the long run they will save money.
The (7) 742's will be returned to the managment company for them to do with the a/c whatever they wish.

Regards,
Tim



PS- UAL's 742's were once owned by AA.


User currently offlineAio86 From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 928 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1804 times:

Hi,
For some reason I remember reading (over this past summer) that United had sold 2 of its 742s to Northwest who then converted them to friegters. How could they do this if they had a lease? Just curious... Also the only way in all possibilities that UA would ever get an a/c from the 340 (and I don't mean Saab) family is if they acquire the 330s from US Air (if the merger goes through.) But whether or not that will happen is another story which has already been discussed in the past.
-aaron


User currently offlineShinseki From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1799 times:

Think the main reason is crew costs, especially considering the raise UA pilots just gave themselves. NWAC will be keeping its 742's running long into the foreseeable future.

UA's 742's are a mixture of leased and owned aircraft. They are all ex-Qantas (-238) builds. What's left of AA's orginal builds can be found operating for UPS, Dubai Emir's flight, etc.


User currently offlineKonaB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1803 times:

United also has no plans to order any more 747-400s I believe.

User currently offlineGUNDU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 1795 times:

UAL leased their present B747-238B's from GECAS(??) and they have to pay a penalty for returning the planes earlier than scheduled.


Gundu


User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1777 times:

There are not many 747-200's in United's fleet. There never were. The largest number was 9. The 742's came
from other operators and to keep costs down and to
streamline its fleet, the 742's are being phased out.
UA has plenty of 777's in its fleet to replace them.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

United is actually looking at ordering the 747X, but nothing concrete. Additional 747-400s will only come with the approval of the purchase of USAirways.

United also picked up a LARGE number of 747-200s from Pan Am when United got dibs on London and South America... not sure if these birds are still in United's fleet or not....


User currently offlineFanofjets From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2005 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1764 times:

Another reason must be fuel economy (and cost). The 742s consume some 25% more fuel than 744s.

I agree, though, it is sad to see the Oldies but Goodies go.



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User currently offlineKonaB777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1758 times:

United has no outstanding orders for the 747-400, but who knows they may get more, but I don't think they need them.

User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 1722 times:

Bill Harms in general very exact and updated website still shows a handful of 744s on order for United though somewhere else I heard they cancelled some orders last year. Don´t know the truth.

The 742´s now retired are all ex Qantas aircraft from the mid 70´s. So they are old enough to be retired from a Quality airline´s fleet. Also their number is limited as someone said. Its only logical that United replaces them with newer 747-400s and on less important routes with smaller 777s.

United only ever had two 747-222Bs in their ownership. These two were wfu last year and are currently under Freighter-conversion for Northwest.


User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (14 years 1 month 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1719 times:

United had a total of 51 Boeing 747-400s on order, from the original order placed in 1988 if my memory serves me correctly (that's when they placed the largest order on earth -> or at the time it was. 90 B 757s, 23 B767-300ERs, 135 B 737 300/500 models, and at the time 35 B 747-400s). During the early 90s, the number of 747-400s swelled to 51, only to have 7 orders converted to a handful of 777s (Asian crisis opened up additional 777 slots).

I do see United getting more 747-400s, but I think it's waiting for Boeing to get more done w/ the 747x / 500X or whatever they are calling this new programme.

Nate


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9210 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (14 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

I have just read UAL's annual report and it stated that there are 21 747-400s that are leased (operating).

Are they leased from other companies or they on hire purchase? Coz I thought UAL owns all its 744s

Is that 'HIRE PURCHASE' or 'LEASE'?




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