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News: Business Jet Crashes In Moscow  
User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 10
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 43716 times:

Just in CNN. ITAR-Tass reports this crash to CNN.

Breaking: Airbus A310 crashes in Moscow


Only crew members onboard onboard! I hope that there are survivors.

[Edited 2007-02-13 15:15:42]


لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله
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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 43749 times:

BBC says that it is a cargo aircraft.

User currently offlineIAD380 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 804 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 43690 times:

Was the plane taking off or landing? Which airline owned the aircraft?

User currently offlineLH526 From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 2381 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 43634 times:
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Routig Moscow - Berlin ... said to be a Pax, but on a repositioning flight with only crew members on board!

Crashed while outbound from Moscow.

Mario
LH526

[Edited 2007-02-13 15:23:07]


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User currently offline777KLM From China, joined Apr 2005, 532 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 43553 times:

CNN International: airplane was taking off


Next flight: AMS-PEK
User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 43446 times:

Quoting LH526 (Reply 3):
Routig Berlin - Moscow ... said to be a Pax!

If it's really a pax plane on that route, can it be MIAT ?


User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 43450 times:

Emergency Ministry says no pax on plane, aircraft was an A310, and 3 pilots were injured.


Aircraft I've flown: A300/A310/A320/A321/A330/A340/B727/B732/B733/B734/B735/B738/B741/B742/B744/DC10/MD80/IL62/Bae146/AR
User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 43449 times:

CNN reports the plane crashed upon take-off. Apparently, there has been reports NO PEOPLE died. This is updated and not confrmed that no fatalities.


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User currently offlineNorcal773 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 1451 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 43447 times:

Apparently no fatalities, crashed during takeoff.


If you're going through hell, keep going
User currently offlineSAS-A321 From Denmark, joined Mar 2002, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 43446 times:

According to AFP (French news agency) there was no pax onboard and it crashed after departure from Vnukovo Airport.


It's Scandinavian
User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9739 posts, RR: 31
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 43138 times:

MIAT flies on Sundays.

MIAT operates day 7

Spiegel online reports it an A310 of Germanwings. Airport is Vnukovo. If its Germanwings its not a 310 but a 319.

let's see what goes on.



Es saugt und blaest der Heinzelmann wo Mutti sonst nur blasen kann. Frueher war mehr Lametta.
User currently offlineTheSorcerer From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2005, 1048 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 43144 times:

Vnukovo weather (according http://weather.noaa.gov/weather/metar.shtml) :

UUWW 131400Z 13004MPS 0800 R06/0650V1000U +SHSN VV003 M06/M07 Q1008 TEMPO 0700 +SHSN RMK 06522037 QBB100


Dominic



ALITALIA,All Landings In Torino, All Luggage In Athens ;)
User currently offlineTommyBP251b From Germany, joined Apr 2006, 460 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 43003 times:

Quoting Magyarorszag (Reply 5):
can it be MIAT

Also thought of MIAT!

Just checked the arrival board of Berlin Airports.

We have

4U 8991 from VKO-SFX : A319

AB 8353 from DME-TXL: B733

SU 113 from SVO-SFX: A320

I hope its none of them. I just wrote it, because we know how media is getting confused with airplane types.

What about the A310 of the German Airforce???

Best regards Tom



Tom from Cologne
User currently offlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1883 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 43004 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 10):
Spiegel online reports it an A310 of Germanwings. Airport is Vnukovo. If its Germanwings its not a 310 but a 319.

I just checked their website and the only scheduled flight is Germanwings.

4U8990 GERMANWINGS BERLIN (SCHOENEFELD) VNUKOVO arrived 15:05 13.02 14:40 13.02 14:35 13.02



لا اله الا الله محمد رسول الله
User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1386 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 43002 times:

An Air Official now being quoted as saying it was a private jet??
No idea what has happened!!



Aircraft I've flown: A300/A310/A320/A321/A330/A340/B727/B732/B733/B734/B735/B738/B741/B742/B744/DC10/MD80/IL62/Bae146/AR
User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3929 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 43004 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 10):
Spiegel online reports it an A310 of Germanwings.

Unlikely to be Germawings, since they dont operate the A310, AFAIK. Maybe S7? They have a large 310 fleet, dont they?

Well I hope everyone emerges from this accident OK.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineTommyBP251b From Germany, joined Apr 2006, 460 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 43003 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 10):
Spiegel online reports it an A310 of Germanwings.



Quoting TommyBP251b (Reply 12):
4U 8991 from VKO-SFX : A319

Then its this flight I guess!



Tom from Cologne
User currently offlineMagyarorszag From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 43000 times:

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 10):
MIAT flies on Sundays.

Well OM flies thursdays and sundays and serves SVO. Thus it's not them.

http://miat.com/web/schedule.php?SCHEDULE_ID=24


User currently offlinePanHAM From Germany, joined May 2005, 9739 posts, RR: 31
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 42851 times:

Now, if it is VKO and Germanwings and a flight to Berlin, then this could be flight 4U8991 VKO-TXL leaving 15h45 LT which is 14H45 CET. Radio news just basically confirms this with the exception of "A310" which cannot be true. No pax on board, which, if it is really 4U8991 is not that likely, unfortunately.

Let's hope the best.



Es saugt und blaest der Heinzelmann wo Mutti sonst nur blasen kann. Frueher war mehr Lametta.
User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 42856 times:

GERMAN WINGS?

Could it be a empty ferry flight?


User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 42698 times:

i dont get it, cnn just said witnesses saw it overturn and flip or something while taking off....????


im having trouble with the visual



The only time there is too much fuel onboard, is when you're on fire!
User currently offlineNA From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 42698 times:

German television just said its a LCC aircraft, but still reporting A310. I don´t know a LCC operating this type.

They also report that a second aircraft "crashed" as well, a Challenger.


User currently offlineOldeuropean From Germany, joined May 2005, 2091 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 42694 times:

Spiegel Online: Germanwings denies that it was a plane from them.

Axel

[Edited 2007-02-13 15:36:19]


Wer nichts weiss muss alles glauben
User currently offline777KLM From China, joined Apr 2005, 532 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 42705 times:

German TV ARD: explosion during take off from Vnukovo airport. Plane crashed into a carparking.


Next flight: AMS-PEK
User currently offlineTR From UK - England, joined May 2001, 953 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 42573 times:

Does not look like a crash to me... Everybody should be OK

http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/article271055.ece


25 Norcal773 : Per CNN, plane 'overturned while taking off and caught fire'. CNN has confirmed 3 crewmembers we injured but no fatalities.
26 EI321 : Hardly a mid air?
27 QatarA340 : Germanwings doesn't have A310's! They operate only narrowbody jets.
28 Pelican : Yep Germanwings denies it was their aircraft. And since there were no pax onboard we don't need to look for schedulded flights. pelican
29 Gman94 : Sky News just reported that it was not A310 involved but a much smaller aircraft, no specific's given though.
30 SAS-A321 : I doubt that the picture in the link to the Danish newspaper is from Moscow! It seems like all news stations is changing to a smaller jet now.
31 Post contains links Magyarorszag : IHT too says that. http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/...rope/EU-GEN-Russia-Plane-Crash.php
32 LH526 : mmhh ....
33 OA260 : Sounds like it was a lucky escape!!! But all of the News websites are reporting conflicting information. I guess it will be a few hours before the rea
34 EI321 : From Sky News ........But at this moment it looks like the aircraft was NOT an A310 and NOT German wings. ........info still sketchy[Edited 2007-02-13
35 TommyBP251b : I saw the foto! At first I thought it would be A320 family aircraft. But If you look closer to the right wheel of the aircraft it seems to have four
36 Norcal773 : CNN now claims it was a Bombadier Lear Jet and not the A310.
37 DALCE : very strange!! Let's hope that at least the message about no casualties is right!
38 QatarA340 : CNN reports its a Canadian-made Bombarier lear jet and not a wide-body jet as reported earlier. How could they confuse the two. There is a HUGE size d
39 VivaGunners : Let's hope it's nothing too serious then...
40 Bwest : BBC world is reporting "an aircraft thought to be a small business jet"...
41 Norcal773 : This is according to the Russian Aviation Authority.
42 LH526 : It says ARKIVFOTO! Not footage of the actual crash I think!
43 CARST : German news-channel N-TV says it was a "Challenger 60", airport is closed because overturned aircraft is burning, but everyone survived... Let's see w
44 Post contains images Oldeuropean : That's because of all the silly different statements from Russian officals. I'm waiting for: "A Germanwings Ford Trimotor collided with the Air Force
45 TommyBP251b : Doesnt have the German Airforce a Challenger 60? One Question! What is the difference between a Challenger 60 and 600? Regards Tom
46 Columba : Definitely a A310 on that picture. Is it a real picture from the accident ?
47 Post contains links HBDAN : ÌÈ1233 KAVMINVODYAVIA VNUKOVO MINERALNYE VODY cancelled 14:55 13.02 - - D 0 taken from http://www.vnukovo.ru/eng/for-passen...ndex.wbp?time-table.di
48 EI321 : The Luftwaffe have (or at least had) several 604s, not sure about 60s.
49 Sketty222 : An aircraft thought to be a small business jet has crashed at Moscow's Vnukovo airport, Russian officials say. The plane, which was reported to be car
50 LH526 : As I said above, the caption reads "Arkivfoto" ... so not actual footage! It's said the plane flipped around in snow.
51 CARST : The picture is not from the accident... it was a Challenger 60. The information about the A310 is from older news.
52 EI321 : That looks like an archive photo, there no snow on the ground.
53 Post contains images LH526 : I just image the families of the Germanwings passengers reading in the news that the flight apparently crashed ... giving them the shock, the biggest
54 Oldeuropean : Yes. that's why they write: "(Arkivfoto: AFP)" Axel
55 Post contains links OA260 : Al Jazeera reports:: http://english.aljazeera.net/News Moscow airport says crashed plane was not Airbus but small aircraft with three crew. More soon
56 Post contains links BuyantUkhaa : Apparently the jet belonged to Ford Aero. http://www.aif.ru/newsfeed?news=6541 (in Russian only) A Challenger-600, not an A310. Edit: an engine appare
57 HBDAN : Last take off before accident had to be this one (Germanwings, to HAM). 4U7993 GERMANWINGS VNUKOVO HAMBURG departed 15:50 13.02 - 16:31 13.02 B 107
58 HBDAN : Russia says small aircraft, not Airbus crashed MOSCOW (Reuters) - A small executive jet, not an Airbus A310, crashed at Moscow's Vnukovo airport on Tu
59 Post contains links OlegShv : http://www.gazeta.ru/news/lastnews/2007/02/13/n_1035275.shtml This Russian source says it's a small business jet - Challenger 800. Crashed onto aircra
60 Chris7217 : As T-Online (www.t-online.de) reports it's actually not a A310 but a private business jet type "Challenger".
61 Post contains links BlueFlyer : FWIW, the BBC now says (or seems to be saying, not so clear), the plane took off, immediately requested an emergency landing and crashed (can't tell w
62 BuyantUkhaa : Latest news says Challenger-850 (is there a new a.net rule? I could only edit my post once!)
63 Post contains images KL808 : How can somebody mistake a widebody A310 with a small corporate jet? Anyways, its good that the crew survived. Drew
64 HAWK21M : Any Update. A Challenger 600 with 3 members.Was it a Maintenance Positioning flight. regds MEL
65 Clydenairways : Can somebody change the thread title as it's now not correct...
66 Post contains images Airfoilsguy : Because they look so much alike.
67 Post contains images HBDAN : A310: Wing span 43.89m, length 46.66m, height 15.80m Challenger-850: Wing span 21.21m, length 26.77m, height 6.22m
68 Post contains links Oly720man : Russian news sites (Izvestia) saying it's a challenger from the company Jet 2000 http://izvestia.com/news/news126728/ (in russian) Which probably mean
69 AnnInFL : N168K....Challenger That is the information I pulled from another site. Also it was posted on a corporate flight attendant site.
70 Express1 : The latest info from the BBC news 24, it is a Challenger jet with 3 pax onboard,and the plane crashed and ended upside down,the 3 pax walked away un h
71 OlegShv : It says that it's built in 2006 - basically a new plane.
72 Post contains links Berlinspotter : N168K can't be it : http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinqu...SQL.asp?verified=1&NNumbertxt=168K
73 Post contains links and images Aviamil : HI just uploaded a picture of the aircraft concerned, speculation over. View Large View MediumPhoto © Marc-Antony Payne
74 Bwest : Well, the price for best mistake goes to the Belgian newspaper "De Standaard", which announces on its RSS feed: "Vliegtuig zonder bemanning stort neer
75 Express1 : That looks to be as N186CX not N168CK
76 Express1 : Now iv'e hurd it all, how pathetic!!!! dave
77 Post contains links Berlinspotter : N168CK seems to be correct, plane was built back in 1996: http://www.planespotters.net/Product.../Canadair/CRJ-100-Series/7099.html
78 BlatantEcho : I would love to see all threads on this website time delayed 15 minutes so that we wouldn't have frantic posters trying to breathlessly quote idiotic
79 Post contains links OlegShv : Hmm, the paintjob on the aircraft mentioned on the company's website is quite different. http://www.jet2000.ru/manag/section12/catalog19.html
80 Airfoilsguy : I wish journalists would check their facts before they spew wrong information to the whole world. That is probably why it crashed
81 AnnInFL : Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:24 am Post subject: Moscow Plane Crash -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Th
82 Post contains images SandroZRH : Can't believe that, as ignorant as it gets?
83 Post contains images RedChili : Actually, it was a Cessna 154M from the Austrian navy which crashed with a DC-747-XWB from the Vatican flag carrier "Holy Sightsee."
84 Airfoilsguy : Just wait, soon some moron from one of the networks will probably say that another space shuttle crashed.
85 Philb : Totally incorrect and speculative reporting is the price we pay for rolling news
86 Post contains links and images WYG737LVR : http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/eu...pe/02/13/plane.crash.ap/index.html Thank goodness that all have survived. The media is the media, have to scoop
87 Boeing744 : Once my local news station in Victoria reported that the A380 had 3 decks, just before showing a video of it, very clearly showing the 2 decks.
88 ReverseThrust : And while the press can get confused wth aircraft types.... Schoenfeld's 3 leter code is SXF not SFX Reverse
89 Post contains images TommyBP251b : Thx a lot I noticed it already, but somehow I could not change it. Let's call this a minor incident okay?
90 WINGS : Both the A380 and B747 have three decks. Don't forget about the cargo deck. Regards, Wings
91 Electech6299 : Yes, I agree. Can the OP still do that or is this a job for the mods?
92 Post contains images SandroZRH : and letter is spelled with two t's
93 Smashme33 : Because corporate media's job is to keep you confused, so you'll never have a real picture of anything that happens in the world. No matter what type
94 Stirling : Unless it was one of those very early-build A320s for Indian Airlines...which came with a four-wheel bogey for operations on rough airfields. This co
95 RIXrat : And don't forget that the Moscow-based journos didn't come by the type of plane by sheer chance. They were given that information, albeit wrongly, by
96 Post contains images Swissy : I know the media should take more care before announcing stories like that and yes we should maybe start slowing down with spreading what we hear....
97 Post contains images Viscount724 : It's basically a 1996-built CRJ-100. Bombardier has been referring to the corporate version of the CRJ-100/200 as the Challenger 850 since 2005. Equiv
98 MCOflyer : I hope the crew is ok. I think the media should know what type of a/c it is before they say squat. MCOflyer
99 AnnInFL : Any word on the nationality of the crew?
100 A340Spotter : For what it's worth, this plane was delivered to and flown for the Carnival Cruise line. Previously registered N305CC, N405CC before becoming N168CK.
101 OPNLguy : To be honest with you, it was my first thought as well, along with CL-601 crash in Dec. 2004 that killed Dick Ebersol's son in Colorado... An issue i
102 Corey07850 : They do not
103 Post contains links ANother : In today's Tribune de Geneve (English pages) http://www.tdg.ch/tghome/english_corner/last_news.html TAG jet catches fire at Moscow airport A Canadair
104 Post contains images RootsAir : wouldn't surprise me ! I've read in the poress about a Boeing 320 and the A340 picture with comment underneath stating its a jumbo jet, so don't be s
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