Kevin777 From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1153 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 25591 times:
Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1): Directly above any high speed car chase in L.A. California
That's true... and not only choppers, planes must be filling up, too: LAX, LGB, SNA, BUR, ONT plus a few smaller airports. LA is spread out, but still, one major international airport and four important domestic airports; it all adds up...
But other than that I reckon London (five airports nicely spread out) and NYC (especially between LGA and JFK)
Kevin777
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TransWorldSTL From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 568 posts, RR: 2 Reply 4, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 25539 times:
Quoting HUYguy (Thread starter): My guess would be London or New York with the amount of airports in the area with a lot of movements. But as I say that is just a guess.
I think I've heard from on here, as well as from an aviation department at a local college, that the New York area's airspace is the busiest in the world..
SEPilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 5905 posts, RR: 39 Reply 5, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 25530 times:
Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 4): I think I've heard from on here, as well as from an aviation department at a local college, that the New York area's airspace is the busiest in the world..
As a private pilot in the NE region I have always been told that it is the NYC region.
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Bond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 4926 posts, RR: 10 Reply 7, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 25459 times:
It's certainly not London. Although the individual airports in NYC may not be the busiest, the airspace above and around NYC most certainly is the busiest in the world.
Jimbo
[Edited 2007-02-13 19:13:19]
I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
Gh123 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 25363 times:
If not London then I'd say the South of England period.....all that airpace (which isn't really that big) would certainly have the highest density of aircraft than anywhere in the world.
BoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 383 posts, RR: 59 Reply 9, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 25366 times:
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 6): Its London, followed by either NYC or Tokyo (can't remember which)
It is not London.
The three airports serving New York City JFK, LGA and EWR handled over 100 million passengers in 2006, making it the busiest airspace in the country, Add the other 2 major airports in that area... BOS and IAD plus the (16) satellite airports within that 31,000 square-mile area that stretches from Delaware to Connecticut and that is alot of traffic. More than anywhere else in the world.
You want to expand it?
Northeast Triangle from Chicago to Boston to Washington, DC. is the busiest in the world.
All the documents and shows on 9/11 even state that it is the busiest in the world and that it was an amazing task of the FAA and all the ATC in that region to land so many planes in such a short time frame w/o (1) incident.
Echster From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 396 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 25213 times:
In the US, the NYC and LA metro areas are by far the busiest. And while I work ATC in SoCal, and like to think we work hard, I know the ATC folks in NYC work harder. Last year SoCal TRACON worked 2.14 million IFR approaches, the most in the world, while NY TRACON worked 2.09 million. However, SCT's airspace covers roughly 200 miles while N90's is roughly 60 miles.
Planesarecool From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2001, 4065 posts, RR: 15 Reply 11, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 25169 times:
It depends whether you're talking about the busiest Class A airspace, or the busiest airspace for departures/arrivals. For Class A, it would probably somewhere around the Midwest/Northeast USA. For airport movements, I'd say it would have to be the LA area.
Average daily movements:
Avalon: 63
Burbank: 385
Cable: 252
Camarillo: 420
Chino: 436
Compton: 181
Corona: 186
El Monte: 392
Flabob Riverside: 110
Fullerton: 222
Jack Northrop Field/Hawthorne: 220
Long Beach: 981
Los Angeles (LAX): 1793
Ontario: 419
Oxnard: 279
Palmdale: 178
Rialto: 82
Riverside: 280
San Bernadino: 180
Santa Ana: 959
Santa Barbara: 579
Santa Monica: 452
Torrance/Zamperini Field: 473
Van Nuys: 1381
Whiteman: 295
Total: 11198 movements per day (average). That is over quite a large area, however that is a lot of aircraft ascending and descending throughout the airspace
AirportPlan From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 469 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 25094 times:
Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 9): Northeast Triangle from Chicago to Boston to Washington, DC. is the busiest in the world.
To be more specific the middle of this triangle is Cleveland Center which is the busiest FAA center and probably the busiest center in the world.
Greenair727 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 383 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 25093 times:
The FAA's Cleveland ATRCC i heard is the busiest air traffic center in the world, as it handles Cleveland, Detroit, and Pittsburgh, as well as all NY-Chicago traffic, as well as any other traffic crossing the area.
Daus From United States of America, joined May 2005, 277 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 25054 times:
Quoting HUYguy (Thread starter): I was just wondering if anyone knew what the world's busiest airspace was.
Pdxcof9 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 25047 times:
just check out flightaware and the map in the upper right corner http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KEWR blue ones are to/from EWR and green are in the vicinity. It's crazy how many planes are passing the NYC area!!
Mutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 25021 times:
well whilst airport movements do give a clue, airspace is something quite different. The airways around the wrorld are predetermined routes, literally highways in ths sky that all traffic has to follow. I seem to recall that the worlds busiest air corridor was actually across the english channel between the south of england/london, and france. All transatlantic traffic passes through this corridor en route to/from europe/north america plus of course all eastbound departures from londons 5 airportsc and all westbound inbound traffic to the 5 london airports.
so hether you are flying from any north american city to pretty much any continental european city it all squeezes through the corridor with all of Londons traffic. also dont forget Paris, Amsterdam and Brussels are within 50 minutes of London
Tonyban From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 276 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 24993 times:
Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 1): Directly above any high speed car chase in L.A. California
Airfoilsguy....that's was very funny !!!! You probably right as well
SkyyMaster From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 24984 times:
This is one of those questions that can't be answered easily. Depends on the square mileage, etc. and how much ATC coverage. My guess would be that the New York metropolitan area would be the busiest by far, since you are not only talking about airports serving that area, but traffic overflying as well. I recall flying DAL-BDL in a corporate jet in the early 90's, I'm guessing FL250 maybe, directly over JFK, and could see countless a/c buzzing about below us in all directions. We didn't begin descent until well out over Long Island turning north to Connecticut.
Mutu From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 24972 times:
well whilst airport movements do give a clue, airspace is something quite different. The airways around the wrorld are predetermined routes, literally highways in ths sky that all traffic has to follow. I seem to recall that the worlds busiest air corridor was actually across the english channel between the south of england/london, and france. All transatlantic traffic passes through this corridor en route to/from europe/north america plus of course all eastbound departures from londons 5 airportsc and all westbound inbound traffic to the 5 london airports.
so hether you are flying from any north american city to pretty much any continental european city it all squeezes through the corridor with all of Londons traffic. also dont forget Paris, Amsterdam and Brussels are within 50 minutes of London
N1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25729 posts, RR: 86 Reply 20, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 24902 times:
A few? Take a look at Planesarecool's list and add Brackett with 463, Agua Dulce, Santa Paula, Lancaster as well as Pt. Mugu NAS and any others we may have missed.
Quoting TransWorldSTL (Reply 4): that the New York area's airspace is the busiest in the world..
New York's is definately the most crowded, though not just because of aircraft. The buildings (as made painfully clear with the Lidle crash) play a huge part in the difficulty.
Bond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 4926 posts, RR: 10 Reply 21, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 24759 times:
Quoting Echster (Reply 10): In the US, the NYC and LA metro areas are by far the busiest. And while I work ATC in SoCal, and like to think we work hard, I know the ATC folks in NYC work harder. Last year SoCal TRACON worked 2.14 million IFR approaches, the most in the world, while NY TRACON worked 2.09 million. However, SCT's airspace covers roughly 200 miles while N90's is roughly 60 miles.
Yes, it's NYC no doubt. The figures for approaches above, also do not include all the stuff flying over NYC area (ie not landing/departing) NYC area airport.
Jimbo
I'd rather be on the ground wishing I was in the air, than in the air wishing I was on the ground!
Micstatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 741 posts, RR: 1 Reply 24, posted (5 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 24586 times:
also can't forget teterboro. If it's not NY, then maybe LA, but I can't see how London could compare to that.
25 10Driver: Hmmmm... if you're talking purely about operations conducted, or handled, maybe. But I spent a lot of time flying around NY airspace (McGuire AFB is
26 Dartland: I believe it is NYC. If you figure how tight a metro area it is compared to LA (or most any other), I would imagine it has by far the most planes per
27 10Driver: Well, I would imagine it's worst when all 3 airports are using Rwy 4 arrivals, as Philadelphia airspace constrains them to the West, so all arrivals
28 WN230: Hahahahahah . . . and if you're lucky enough, you can see it on the 5 o'clock news.
29 Bakersdozen: That's because all incoming planes were turned away and forced to land in Canada at various airports. That would have freed up a ton of space.
30 AlitaliaMD11: I live in Poughkeepsie, New York and apparently a plane comes over every two-five minutes.
31 BAalltheway: I know it's a Hollywood source, but anyone seen the movie Pushing Tin? According to this movie with ATC of TRACON as the major backstory, New York is
32 AceMcCool99: The Atlantic Ocean with eastbound traffic at about 0300Z can be pretty busy!
33 777law: Has to be NYC / the East Coast corridoor of the US -- as noted elsewhere, the number of major airports / hubs in the region is incredible -- IAD, BWI,
35 B52murph: Several years back I did quite a bit of private (Cessna, etc.) flying between New England and the Carolinas--often on an IFR flight plan. Filed route
36 Caribbean484: I was told that NYC area has the busiest airspace in the world.
37 B741: Charlotte Center must be right up there. I believe they are the highest paid controllers. Not sure if pay rates parallel busy skies.
38 Jm017: I have heard that New York's airspace is the busiest in the world.
39 N231YE: I have heard that the Cleveland ARTCC is the busiest in the United States, due to the twin Triangles formed between ORD, ATL, BOS, and DTW, JFK, EWR,
40 Blueskies8: I fly in the NYC metro area frequently and have flown around London and LA many times as well. I am not sure what the figures are accept what I have s
41 ABpositive: An area of this size would also cover the London-Paris-Amsterdam regions.
42 OpsGuy: I was out at NY Center in January for a customer meeting. They explained that the NY Center and NY Tracon Airpspace is the busiest in the world. You h
44 Bohlman: Well, except for the fact that overflying traffic isn't really that time intensive. LH 744: "LH 744 Heavy checking in 360" Center: "roger LH 744 heav
45 Jetdeltamsy: I would guess greater Los Angeles and the Boston/New York/Washington DC corridor. Outside of the USA, I would guess the airspace above the English Cha
46 BoeingFever777: Thanks man... I knew I've heard that name in my A&E 9/11/01 dvd sets. Intl and incoming flights to the N. America i'm sure... In the triangle I doubt
47 Centrair: Just above the US Capital is the busiest Airspace in the world. Not by aircraft but by BS that flies around there.
48 HBJZA: Skyguide in Switzerland tend to say that Switzerland is the most congested airspace in Europe. It's due to the fact that Switzerland is in the heart o
49 Onetogo: If you're talking about the U.S. there is no Charlotte Center.
50 Kevin: http://flightaware.com/analysis/map_day.rvt This can clear up a few things
51 Chuchoteur: correct... equates to the number of movements at Chigao airport, over just one week.
52 EDICHC: Well within a 400 mile circle in Europe you have LHR,LGW,LTN,STN,CDG,BRU,AMS,FRA,MUC,DUS,CPH
53 Bottie: You just took my words don't forget CGN (lots of intercontinental cargo), and not to forget the smaller 'players' in that area like MST, OST, CRL, LG
54 Rampart: I have no idea about general aviation in the UK, but would the London region have the same number of small and medium size private and general aviati
55 Airforum: ROT? I think the 400 miles circle excludes Rotorua by some 10,000 miles You might have been thinking of RTM, uh? [Edited 2007-02-14 10:26:14]
58 Gkyip: What size airspace are we talking about? Cos I'd say the US is the busiest airspace, full stop! (or Period, for our American cousins)! Gary
59 Bongodog1964: I have no definitive list, but can immediately think of the following smaller commercial/general aviation fields in the London region: London City Bi
60 Viscount724: I live near GVA and on a clear day you can often see the contrails of a dozen jets at cruising altitudes heading in all directions, due to GVA being
61 Sketty222: I was under the impression that the corridor over the English Channel was the busiest in the world. As mentioned above you have around 8-10 major citi
62 Bond007: Yes, but it still doesn't compare with the number of GA airports around NYC, and their volume is far higher than those you mentioned. TEB and HPN alo
63 Bongodog1964: As stated I only mentioned the ones that came immediately to mind, and restricted my thoughts to 30 miles or so from the centre of London. There are
64 Baron52ta: Actually it is London as it not only handles traffic to the London region but it also handle the traffic into Northern Europe from the US continent.
66 Jamesbuk: You forget Cranfield airport. IT is the 5th busiest airport in UK in terms of aircraft movements. Its only about 50 miles north of london. Rgds --Jam
67 Comanche: Except for 1 week in Oshkosh (late July) I'd guess NYC is the busiest. I often fly into HPN and it can be a pain getting there
69 Bongodog1964: It must be borne in mind (as mentioned often above) that whilst they might not be in the UK, if you are discussing the New York area and including Bo
70 SEPilot: Having flown the area quite a bit, including Boston and Washington with New York misses the point. If you stay 50 miles from NY things aren't bad; you
71 Bond007: Yep, and most of it either originated from a NYC airport, or flew over NY airspace to get there Jimbo
72 MrChips: If we're discounting general aviation, the airspace over Gander, Newfoundland could be up with the busiest in the world, simply because of all the tra
73 JakTrax: I'm not sure on this but I have to agree with the London thing. All flights from MAN and BHX to Europe and Asia, for instance, must fly through London
74 Vega: FAA has stated several times, particularly during the airspace redesign process, that PHL tower is the busiest in the FAA Eastern Region, which inclu
75 EDICHC: Not so, Europe bound traffic from west coast, LAX, SFO, is generally routed north of the great lakes and out over the Atlantic over northern Labrador
76 Electech6299: Nope, not with the no-fly zone. Only DCA traffic comes within 15 miles of Washington. Above the northern Potomac (near the Leesburg ARTCC) is far bus
77 N231YE: I just remember the Cleveland ARTCC being in the news just after 9/11 as a potential terrorist target, due to the media stating it as, "being the bus
78 Electech6299: And we all know that, when in doubt of the facts, the media is a reliable source to reference. The only thing I think wasn't mentioned as a potential
79 Awthompson: I have experienced both New York and LA airspace, having flown light aircraft in the latter. I personally felt that the LA basin was by far the busies
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