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Dubai Will Have World's Longest Runway.  
User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2407 posts, RR: 3
Posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25939 times:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b154/Kaitak744/dubairunway1.jpg

As you can see, 30L/12R is being lengthened. I used the ruler on Google earth and discovered that when it is finished, it will be 18,700ft!. This makes it the world longest active runway. Now, this may seem like a crazy question, but why would Dubai need it?

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User currently offlineLowrider From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 3220 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25910 times:

Density altitude in the summer perhaps?


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User currently offlineAdipasqu From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25907 times:

One word...HOT!!!

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User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25911 times:

Maybe something to do with the summer heat, it can hit 50C and must have an effect upon payload on take off.


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User currently offlineBlueElephant From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 1813 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25892 times:

They're probably working on because its really hot....

And because Dubai likes to build the biggest and bestest.

But I don't understand why they're putting in so much money into DXB. Aren't they already building up on Jebel Ali?

Anyone know the progress of that airport?


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25897 times:

Edwards will still have the longest runway.


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User currently offlineAdipasqu From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25893 times:

Even at 18,700 ft, would that still be enough to get an A380 off the ground at 50 C without weight restrictions???


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User currently offlineDrExotica From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 176 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25855 times:

The runway at Area 51 is 25,300 ft (though some of it is on the dry lakebed). It is certainly active...


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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25854 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 5):
Edwards will still have the longest runway.

Vostochny (Russia) 16404 ft
Gavia (Bravil) 16295 ft
Upington (South Africa) 16076 ft
Harare (Zimbabwae) 15502 ft
Kinshasha Ndjili (Congo) 15420 ft
Mafikeng (South Africa) 15158 ft
Hawange National Park (Zimbabwe) 15091 ft
Edwards AFB (USA) 15013 ft

source - http://googleglobetrotting.com/info.php/mid/10179


User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25780 times:

Quoting DrExotica (Reply 7):
The runway at Area 51 is 25,300 ft (though some of it is on the dry lakebed). It is certainly active...

True, that is the world's longest runway (and it is actually all paved). However, it is far from active. There are Xs painted over the runway and cracks all over the pavement.


User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6491 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25737 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 8):
Edwards AFB (USA) 15013 ft

17/35 at Edwards is 40,000ft, 15/33 is 33,000 ft, 05/23 is 27,500ft, 18/36 is 24,000 ft, 07/25, and 02/20 and 11/29 are 21,000ft.



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User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4135 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25734 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 8):
Vostochny (Russia) 16404 ft
Gavia (Bravil) 16295 ft
Upington (South Africa) 16076 ft
Harare (Zimbabwae) 15502 ft
Kinshasha Ndjili (Congo) 15420 ft
Mafikeng (South Africa) 15158 ft
Hawange National Park (Zimbabwe) 15091 ft
Edwards AFB (USA) 15013 ft

Don't forget that DEN has a runway 16,000' in length!



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26776 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 25735 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Thread starter):
Now, this may seem like a crazy question, but why would Dubai need it?

Why do they need that many A380s? It is a pissing contest.

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 3):
Maybe something to do with the summer heat, it can hit 50C and must have an effect upon payload on take off.

DXB does have the counterbalance of being at sea level. At a certain point, the tires wont take the speed and having a longer runway is moot. DXB at 50C isn't particularly worse than DEN at 35-40C for density altitude, given that DEN is over 5280 feet.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 8):
Vostochny (Russia) 16404 ft
Gavia (Bravil) 16295 ft
Upington (South Africa) 16076 ft
Harare (Zimbabwae) 15502 ft
Kinshasha Ndjili (Congo) 15420 ft
Mafikeng (South Africa) 15158 ft
Hawange National Park (Zimbabwe) 15091 ft
Edwards AFB (USA) 15013 ft

Um, that must not have been updated in years, given that DEN has a 16,000 foot runway.



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User currently offlineZRH From Switzerland, joined Nov 1999, 5569 posts, RR: 36
Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 25663 times:

Quoting Adipasqu (Reply 6):
Even at 18,700 ft, would that still be enough to get an A380 off the ground at 50 C without weight restrictions???

You mean a 777, as an 380 needs less runway.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 25635 times:

EDIT: Nevermind, I misunderstood you. Anyone know when 30L/12R is going to be re-opened?

[Edited 2007-02-13 20:55:30]

User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3592 posts, RR: 66
Reply 15, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 25575 times:

Quoting CV580Freak (Reply 3):
Maybe something to do with the summer heat, it can hit 50C and must have an effect upon payload on take off.

But if you're at the tire speed or brake energy limit, all the runway in the world won't help you.



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User currently offlineEvan767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 2957 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 25504 times:

Excellent. This will definitely be helpful to DL's 7600 mile service to ATL.


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 25404 times:

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 15):
But if you're at the tire speed or brake energy limit, all the runway in the world won't help you.

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Just look at LPB for example. Its elevation is 13325 ft, and its runway is 13123 ft long, which is probably barely long enough for taking off of there with aircraft such as the A320, 757 or even the 747, to somewhere close or to a fuelstop point like VVI. Even if it had an 18000 ft runway, many aircraft would still be highly weight restricted.


User currently offlineGoldenParrot From Italy, joined Oct 2006, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 25402 times:

Actually the new 30L/12R will be no where near that long. The work in progress is to stagger the two runways so traffic landing/departing from 30R/12L will not have to cross the other runway on the north side. When completed the new 30L/12R will finish about half way down the other runway.

[Edited 2007-02-13 21:24:25]

User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 25267 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 10):
17/35 at Edwards is 40,000ft, 15/33 is 33,000 ft, 05/23 is 27,500ft, 18/36 is 24,000 ft, 07/25, and 02/20 and 11/29 are 21,000ft.

Those lines in the desert hardly qualify as a runway. If you look at Google Earth, 1/3 of runway 17/35 is washed away by the water of that supposedly dry lake bed.

Quoting GoldenParrot (Reply 18):
Actually the new 30L/12R will be no where near that long. The work in progress is to stagger the two runways so traffic landing/departing from 30R/12L will not have to cross the other runway on the north side. When completed the new 30L/12R will finish about half way down the other runway.

Thanks for the information! Do you know when this will be finished?


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 25255 times:

Quoting GoldenParrot (Reply 18):
The work in progress is to stagger the two runways so traffic landing/departing from 30R/12L will not have to cross the other runway on the north side. When completed the new 30L/12R will finish about half way down the other runway.

What do you mean by "stagger" the two runways?


User currently offlineCV580Freak From Bahrain, joined Jul 2005, 1033 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 25215 times:

Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 4):
But I don't understand why they're putting in so much money into DXB. Aren't they already building up on Jebel Ali?

I believe EK will stay at the refurbished DXB and all other airlines will transfer to Jebal Ali.

Air Cargo will move between airports via a customs bonded highway, not sure about the self loading cargo though...



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User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 25143 times:

Quoting N328KF (Reply 10):
Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 8):
Edwards AFB (USA) 15013 ft

17/35 at Edwards is 40,000ft

What senairo would require something that long?????????????


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 25116 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 22):
What senairo would require something that long?????????????

The Space Shuttle perhaps? It does need lots of runway length to roll out.


User currently offlineGoldenParrot From Italy, joined Oct 2006, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 25093 times:

Don't know how long it will take to finish, but I flew into DXB a few days ago and the work looked about 80 per cent complete.

LTU932, The runways will remain parallel but 30L will end about half way down 30R. You can see the threshold of 30L in the picture at the beginning of this thread.


25 Post contains links A342 : Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 8): Vostochny (Russia) 16404 ft While the airport name may be "Vostochny", many people only know it as ULY (Ulyanosvsk, the c
26 LTU932 : OK, I see. I think I have an idea now of what you meant.
27 Ti717 : In the US, It a process to to allow dual simultaneous operations on runways that are closer then required separation. By separating the runway thresh
28 Post contains links Kaitak744 : Google Earth. See for your self. 24,000ft of it is paved, making it the longest paved runway ever. http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&z=14...6026&spn=0.
29 Post contains images Gr8Circle : To enable 2 EK 380's to take off simultaneoulsy.....one starting halfway down the r/way
30 PU752 : they might not need it, but a longer runway is always safer.
31 RichM : A little off topic, but not off topic enough to start a new thread imo; How much runway will the A380 typically need to take-off when at/or near MTOW?
32 N160LH : A little off subject... but is that one of the mystery 737's on 30/12 at Area 51..? As I recall those 737 leave from LAS daily and do not have "N" nu
33 Post contains images Bimmerkid19 : You mean.. active . as in a landing spot of Green Men ?
34 V1valarob : They have N #'s. You can find lots of pictures of them right here on A.net. If you look them up on the FAA website it says they are owned by the Unit
35 FlyDreamliner : Dubai can be quite rediculous... they are more or less at sea level, even at 50C, what needs 18,000 feet? Nothing I can think of. An in the event they
36 Post contains images UnitedMSY : This new runway will service United's new "Exosphere Express" flights which will carry passengers in a rather cramped but cozy 15 seat jet that will f
37 BuyantUkhaa : Literally it means that they have the same compass orientation, but are not side-by-side. Think Berlin Schönefeld, BUD, LED and also runways 18R-36L
38 FrancoBlanco : Please read the entire thread before posting: No need to bash Dubai and EK here. Jebel Ali will not be opened until 201?, until then it makes sense t
39 Post contains images OHLHD : Because some locals need to go around the Middle East to tell everybody that they got the longest runway
40 Jonty : What are the 4 runways in the salt (03L&R 09L&R) used for then? or what were they used for? - they are touching each other so how could they ever be
41 Anax : speaking of jebel ali , are there any pictures in the database showing the current situation? any related site? anax
42 Dash 80 : I thought Zhukovsky in Russia had the world's current longest PAVED runway at a little over 18,000 ft.
43 Warreng24 : FYI, they're call sign "Janet" IIRC.
44 A342 : Actually, it's 17726 ft / 5403 m.
45 Fly-K : Last time I drove by the construction site (about a month ago), they have started with levelling the ground.
46 Dash 80 : Pretty close. Still, it's got to be the current longest paved runway.
47 Greggerm : What are the 4 runways in the salt (03L&R 09L&R) used for then? or what were they used for? - they are touching each other so how could they ever be u
48 Highflier92660 : Regarding Area 51's prodigiously long runway: We have to get those UFO balanced field lengths down! Perhaps some Kruegers, leading edge slats and trip
49 Rsg85 : Royal Flying Doctor service in Australia uses the stuart hwy as a landing strip, one section of it is fully marked like a normal runway. The stuart hi
50 Post contains links Highflier92660 : Note: Not attempting to hijack a world's longest runway thread. However, for all you conspiracy enthusiasts and Art Bell fans here is a link to "Janet
51 Coronado990 : Nothing worse than having to weight restrict a UFO. Then they will pull out due to lack of yields. Wow! Actually, Area 51 would make a good connectin
52 Post contains images ORFflyer : We have a winner.
53 CaptainStorck : If you look carefully at the map of Area 51, you will notice that only about 1/4 of 32L/14R is not covered in yellow x's; leaving only about 6600 feet
54 Lowrider : I will go out on a limb here and say that the airport authority may be trying to look 50 years or more down the road and try to make sure they have e
55 A342 : See here: But some sources say not the whole runway is used. So I think the title currently goes to Zhukovsky / Ramenskoye: 5403 m / 17726 ft. Actual
56 ORFflyer : There ya go making sense....
57 BuyantUkhaa : You're right! Never realised that even though I've been there so often. Well you learn something new every day...
58 Post contains images SEPilot : Maybe thay've had enough of the aliens and are trying to discourage them But it's such a pain when you run into one of those road trains... As to the
59 RayChuang : I think DXB installed the 18,000 foot runway so they could fly an EK 777-200LR on a full-load all the way to the US West Coast year-round even during
60 Sllevin : That massive lake bed has saved any number of test flights that didn't go as planned. lots of aircraft not intended for "general" use have had very h
61 Post contains images Lightsaber : True. Above 125F (about 50C) all aircraft start having major MTOW limitations. But that long of a runway make the aircraft always the limit, not the
62 Lowrider : Good question. Does Dubai have sufficient traffic to warrant two airports?
63 Zeke : Would you consider that a problem with the 748 with its higher operating speeds and runways length requirements than the 744 or 380 ?
64 Atcgod : White Sands Space Harbor = 35,000 feet of maintained gypsum. It may not be the longest but I can tell you it's active and very well maintained.
65 Post contains images Lightsaber : DXB direly needs another runway. Hence why DXB is getting a 2nd runway. Two airports? Only if we see another 8 years of strong airtravel growth. Then
66 Post contains images PPVRA : Embraer's Gaviao Peixoto facility has a 5km (16404ft) runway, putting it at par with Vostochny. The longest according to wikipedia: Qamdo Bamda Airpo
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