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Delta Adds 5 New Routes Out Of Atlanta  
User currently offlineJimyvr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12027 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/070213/113682.html

Beginning in May, Delta will expand its summer schedule to include new nonstop service between Atlanta and:

* Fort Smith, Ark. (effective June 7)
* Halifax, Nova Scotia (effective June 7)
* Kalispell, Mont. (effective June 9)
* Newburgh, N.Y. (effective May 7)
* State College, Penn. (effective June 7)

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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4645 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11962 times:

Food news for small airports like FSM.... maybe TXK can be next


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User currently offlineStirling From Italy, joined Jun 2004, 3943 posts, RR: 22
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11919 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
Fort Smith, Ark. (effective June 7)

Thats interesting....I'd heard that with XNA nearby, FSM had become almost a ghost town.
Are there incentives involved on this route?



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User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4645 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11848 times:

FSM does manage to hold their own with AA and NW (all RJ/S340's) providing a stable level of enplanements. I believe they had somewhere between 90,000 and 100,000 annual enplanements last year.

XNA probably doesnt pull that much because they dont have an LCC (yet)



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11829 times:

Quote:
Thats interesting....I'd heard that with XNA nearby, FSM had become almost a ghost town.

That would probably have been from me here: http://www.airliners.net/discussions...eneral_aviation/read.main/3246825/

All the business traffic that is going to Northwest Arkansas heads to XNA and has left FSM almost a ghost town. Five daily round-trips to DFW and three a day to MEM is sad when compared to the explosive growth at XNA and even LIT down I-40.

I am glad that the market is there and that FSM will be connected to ATL - congratulations!!

You can also include to that the fact that FAT is getting 4x weekly service to ATL...temporarily (?) to test the waters.



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User currently offlineDeltaDAWG From United States of America, joined May 2006, 775 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11637 times:

Great News...at least for me. Direct service to FSM, fantastic. I have two customers right in Fort Smith, Planters & Hiram Walker. Now, if I could convince them that an MD-88 will be better than those d*mn CRJ's.


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User currently offlineDAL767400ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11550 times:

Good news, 2 returning markets (FSM, SWF), and 2 new markets from ATL (FCA, YHZ). Though I'd bet $20 that once ATL-SCE starts, CVG-SCE will be history.

User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3247 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11385 times:

Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 6):
Though I'd bet $20 that once ATL-SCE starts, CVG-SCE will be history.

You'd likely lose that bet. Unlike a lot of the other CVG markets added since 9/11, this one is actually good. The only reason you haven't seen ATL service prior (Like ERI and BGM) is because they didn't want to damage the strong performance at CVG.

No, this is a CVG bread and butter market now. I don't think it will be going anywhere.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6752 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11348 times:

Quoting Jimyvr (Thread starter):
Beginning in May, Delta will expand its summer schedule to include new nonstop service between Atlanta and:

* Fort Smith, Ark. (effective June 7)
* Halifax, Nova Scotia (effective June 7)
* Kalispell, Mont. (effective June 9)
* Newburgh, N.Y. (effective May 7)
* State College, Penn. (effective June 7)

You forgot New Bern, NC (effective May 7)



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User currently offlineOOer From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1464 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11099 times:

What are they uaing on the ATL - FCA run? A CRJ-700/705 or an E170 or mainline?

User currently offlineDanairbus From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11016 times:

Quoting OOer (Reply 9):
What are they uaing on the ATL - FCA run? A CRJ-700/705 or an E170 or mainline?

Boeing 737-800


User currently offlineNoise From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 1768 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10959 times:

Wow ATL-YHZ eh? With the CRJ-900! That's not a big market...hope it works!

User currently offlineSLCUT2777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 4028 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 10937 times:

Quoting Noise (Reply 11):
Wow ATL-YHZ eh? With the CRJ-900! That's not a big market...hope it works!

They could actually make this one work year around since DL has many more destinations and frequencies in the Caribbean than does AC or the charters. Just dealing with U.S. Customs enroute back to YHZ.



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User currently offlineJetlanta From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 3247 posts, RR: 35
Reply 13, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10648 times:

Quoting SLCUT2777 (Reply 12):
They could actually make this one work year around since DL has many more destinations and frequencies in the Caribbean than does AC or the charters. Just dealing with U.S. Customs enroute back to YHZ.

YHZ has U.S. Customs pre-clearance. It will be a fine market.


User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10611 times:

Well I keep thinking there aren't many runways left east of the Mississippi that doesn't see DL/DL Connex. What's next? ATL-Target's parking lot?

It's an interesting study - the ATL hub has reached such a critical mass that very small communtities with virtually no O&D to the city of Atlanta itself will get non-stops.


User currently offlineIloveboeing From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 794 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 10581 times:

I think they're restarting service to SWF in response to FL.

User currently offlineTokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10431 times:

Halifax needs to be on a CRJ700. There is no way a CRJ200 can pull that trip. It does not have the range. Either way, it's a discustingly long way to be on n the regional jet.

User currently offlineDelta787 From United States of America, joined May 2006, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9959 times:

Quoting TokyoNarita (Reply 16):
Halifax needs to be on a CRJ700. There is no way a CRJ200 can pull that trip. It does not have the range. Either way, it's a discustingly long way to be on n the regional jet.

Its on a CRJ900.



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User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5790 posts, RR: 15
Reply 18, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9736 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 14):
Well I keep thinking there aren't many runways left east of the Mississippi that doesn't see DL/DL Connex. What's next? ATL-Target's parking lot?

Its why they are now going west of the river.

Fresno-ATL should be announced in the next few days. Also Spokane-ATL.



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User currently offlineMCOflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 8661 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9589 times:

I have a good friend who will like FCA as he has family there. Can someone give me updates on deparrture times for these cities please.

MCOflyer



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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 9448 times:

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 3):
enplanements

"Enplanements"?? Good heavens, what happened to the passengers? lol!


User currently offlineCopaair737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9305 times:

What other routes out west could they start flying out west?
BIL maybe?
Extend BOI to year round?

-Copa


User currently offlineRL757PVD From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4645 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9071 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 20):
"Enplanements"?? Good heavens, what happened to the passengers? lol!

Enplanements if the OFFICIAL term used by the FAA, and the unit in which commercial service airport are categorized!

Enplanements + Deplanements = Total passengers



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User currently offlineSteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9176 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8735 times:

How about State College? Is that going to be a Delta Connect flight by Atlantic Southeast or something of the type?


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User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7521 posts, RR: 28
Reply 24, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 8637 times:

ATL-SCE will be operated by ASA with a CRJ

This route has been in the works for a while as the airport officials at SCE/UNV had been pushing for a flight to a more southerly hub, to either CLT or ATL. With the huge power of ATL, this route should have no problem. However, it may eventually mean that SCE-CVG loses a frequency in the future. For right now it will still be 3 daily flights to CVG, but I could see it being cut to 2. CVG is important as a lot of the traffic out of SCE is headed for the Midwest/Upper Great Lakes region, hence the need for flights to DTW & CVG.

Flights
DL 4797 SCE-ATL Dep. 7:30am Arrive 9:48am CRJ-100 Operated by ASA
DL 4796 ATL-SCE Dep. 8:00pm Arrive 9:50pm CRJ-100 Operated by ASA

Bring service now to include US-PHL, NW-DTW, UA-IAD, DL-CVG & ATL. Not a bad service offering. This may be what leads to the new terminal construction that has been on the drawing board for some time now. However, other than when all the RONs leave after first thing in the morning, the airport is pretty sleepy for the rest of the day.


25 SLCUT2777 : Also some returning seasonal non-stop flights will resume from ATL. YVR-ATL returns June 7th and runs through September 30th on a 752. SLC-YVR continu
26 Post contains images UnitedMSY : Now we need SCE-ORD on United Express CRJ-200's, and we will have everything set for these midwestern travelers
27 Rookinla : True...but there are still some viable markets left that DL has not yet touched. I completely agree. DL feeds so many flights through ATL that more m
28 TWA902fly : I think it would be interesting if ATL-HST (homestead, Florida) was a possible new route. seems like a good amount of populations south of miami that
29 Rookinla : You never know about the future but I think that DL has bigger fish to fry in the shorter term, including 2 to 3 potential new cities in Florida. Hom
30 Post contains images DAL767400ER : It's only Saturday-only service for now, so DL doesn't take a big risk with the route, and can easily increase frequency if the demand proves to be t
31 PSU.DTW.SCE : That was the other airport on the wish list in SCE/UNV as it is one of the top 5 O&D cities from SCE, however I highly doubt United is going to throw
32 Rookinla : You never know...UA serves both IAD and ORD from DAB with a CRJ. However the ORD service was Saturday-only seasonal and ends this Saturday while IAD
33 PSU.DTW.SCE : Well DAB & SCE are apples and oranges. DAB is a significantly larger market with a large amount of tourist traffic. SCE is an isolated college town wi
34 Jetlanta : Plus UA is pulling out of DAB after the Spring.
35 Coleplane : Wow, a daily frequence? I'd like to know what DL's rationale is. Surely it's not just PSU.
36 PSU.DTW.SCE : Don't underestimate the traffic that the university generates. The majority of passengers, except around breaks, are not students. You have conferenc
37 MAH4546 : Homestead makes way more sense than any of those, except for the fact it doesn't, to my knowledge, have commercial facilities. All those are small, l
38 Skibum9 : Seriously, does it really matter at this point. CVG is down to 60 mainline flights and 200+ RJs. At what point do you stop calling it a hub, and star
39 Coleplane : Excellent points.
40 Delta787 : CVG is still a hub with plenty of connecting opportunities. In my opinion, its still to large to call a focus city.
41 CIDflyer : I thought it had heard the CVG hub still has over 400 daily flights, granted more are are RJ's but that is still a large amount of flights to be call
42 Skibum9 : In this weeks enquirer they, during the ice storm, they said delta cancelled 40, or nearly 2/4rds of its 60 flights, and I forget how many connection
43 JAAlbert : My English teacher must be turning in his grave!
44 FlyDeltaJets87 : I'd say they're going after military traffic at Camp Camp Lejeune, but they already serve Jacksonville, NC as well as a couple other cities in the ne
45 Floridaflyboy : I'm hoping it's only a matter of time before we see BIL-ATL. Billings is by far the largest city in Montana, and a fast-growing business center. Plus
46 Fewsolarge : On my watch list for new nonstop service from ATL. Some of these are a real stretch, and some would require runway upgrades, but I at least find them
47 AvConsultant : CVG will stay a hub and DL might place more of a focus now AA is building up its operation and snagging DL largest corporate client, Procter and Gamb
48 Floridaflyboy : I think you'll definitely see developing business markets in fast-growing cities like BIL and MSO occur before you'll see cities like RAP.
49 Gregarious119 : One thing that suprised me about SCE this week while I was humming around on flight gear is that it doesn't have a control tower (or at least a posted
50 Montanaflyer : With a metro population pushing 150,000 I would hope to see a seasonal mso-atl; definately a bil-atl flight. FCA is a bit of a surprise, but I'm hopin
51 Post contains links CIDflyer : looks like Delta's number of daily departures, at least according to this article below, is about 400 per day, so it is a pretty good sized hub still
52 PSU.DTW.SCE : Its in the works, as its been in the works for some time now, along with installing an ILS on runway 6. Currently only 24 has an ILS, which works in
53 MAH4546 : Billings is very unlikely. FCA and BZN have a lot of vacation traffic, BIL does not. Also, Cincinnati-Billings was a terrible performer. Outstanding
54 AvConsultant : I thought I read on here DL is down to 60 mainline flights in CVG?
55 Floridaflyboy : Not true. I worked for Skywest at the time, and we operated the ground handling. The flight frequently went out with 90%+ loads. I don't know where y
56 CIDflyer : I believe the 400 daily departures is mainline and connection combined
57 MAH4546 : Maybe during peak summer travel it did well. The average load factor over the short run was in the mid-50s/low-60s. It was a terrible performer, espe
58 Floridaflyboy : It was only operated as a seasonal service during the peak summer months. Do you have a source for your information? Because I worked those flights a
59 Floridaflyboy : Oh, and by the way, we were actually given a notice the next spring that the only reason CVG-BIL was not being added back was because of reducations a
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