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JFK/EWR-HNL Non Stop Flights, Any Of Them?  
User currently offlineRootsAir From Costa Rica, joined Feb 2005, 4186 posts, RR: 40
Posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8373 times:

I've always wondered if there were any non stop JFK or EWR- HNL flights and then I looked up on amadeus it seemed as though there were none. Can I rely on that of are there in fact direct flights? (that must be a good 9-10h ride I guess)

Regards
BM

[Edited 2007-02-14 17:17:01]


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User currently offlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23029 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8368 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/COA15


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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8363 times:

Yes, Continental has a daily flight from EWR to HNL (CO15) and return (CO14), currently operated by a 767-400ER.


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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4264 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8364 times:

I thought CO had a daily EWR-HNL flight with a 764. Did this get canned?




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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3768 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8355 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 2):
Yes, Continental has a daily flight from EWR to HNL (CO15) and return (CO14), currently operated by a 767-400ER.

That is correct.

There are no current non-stop JFK-HNL flights operating. Maybe a future market for DL?!

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4264 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8333 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 4):
There are no current non-stop JFK-HNL flights operating. Maybe a future market for DL?!

The way DL is expanding, who knows. But they really don't have the equipment for it - their 764 and 777 fleet are much better off being used elsewhere. Unless they suspend the ATL-HNL flight and move it to JFK, I don't see this happening.



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User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 6, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8310 times:

A question I have been wondering is why Hawaiian doesn't fly HNL-JFK/IAD/BOS/ORD.. I thought for sure that would be 4 must-do markets..


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User currently offlineBoeingguy1 From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 415 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8266 times:

Just a comment on CO EWR-HNL... its a 764, so you have a PTV... not to mention a MEAL! Its the best way to go to the Islands if you live in the NY Metro Area.


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User currently offlineAlitaliaMD11 From Spain, joined Dec 2003, 4068 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8171 times:

I believe Hawaiian once had a DC-10 HNL-JFK flight. However it might have been via LAX?


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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4264 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8171 times:

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 7):
Just a comment on CO EWR-HNL... its a 764, so you have a PTV... not to mention a MEAL! Its the best way to go to the Islands if you live in the NY Metro Area.

Personally, I agree. But keep in mind that if HNL is not your final destination, there are direct flights to numerous other Hawaii airports from the West Coast. Some people prefer that.

Additionally, many tours include the option of a stayover in LA or SF. This is especially appealing to honeymooners, who may not be thrilled with the prospect of hopping on a 10 hour flight to the Islands!



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User currently offlineAirlineBrat From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 652 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 8019 times:

UA flew JFK-HNL nonstop, eons ago..... with a DC-8 no less.


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User currently offlineWestIndian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7918 times:

Quoting AirlineBrat (Reply 10):
UA flew JFK-HNL nonstop, eons ago..... with a DC-8 no less.

A dc-8? That's impressive, to say the least!!



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User currently offlineJammin From India, joined Nov 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7919 times:

Hmmm, I'm wondering why Americans would go all the way to Hawaii from the East Coast for a holiday when the Caribbean and even Ibiza in the Med would be closer. Plus, you actually get to go another country, maybe even try speaking a foreign language, etc.. But, I guess Hawaii's marketing machine works and still attracts the hordes. Haven't been yet, but I think there's so many other islands I'd want to visit first... oh well...


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User currently offlinePtugarin From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7906 times:

Quoting Jammin (Reply 12):
I'm wondering why Americans would go all the way to Hawaii from the East Coast

I don't understand this myself either. I'd rather go to South Cone (Argentina/Chile/Uruguay) during Northern winter which is similar distance but pretty much same time zone  Smile


User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 7890 times:

One thing I don't get is why don't Caribbean airline fly to more East Coast destinations?

If you look at the west coast and Canada: Westjet, Air Canada, Mexicana, AeroMexico, Hawaiian, Aloha, etc.. seem to serve so many large, medium, and small markets..

But if you look at the east coast, Caribbean airlines seem to serve only the majors MIA, FLL, NYC, ATL, and PHL. There are so many more opportunities out there.. and they don't have to offer daily service.. something weekly would do.. but I don't think they market themselves as well as they could.. would most travelers to NAS, MBJ, STT, etc rather connect in ATL, CLT, MIA or fly nonstop? Does it matter if they fly on a 777, 738, or CR7/E70? Not really.. as long as they can make it to their destinations with their bags in one piece within 15 minutes of their scheduled arrival..

So that's why I think a lot of East Coasters fly to HAWAII.. it's a luxury trip and if you have to connect, you might as well connect to HAWAII.. and Hawaii is pushed in your face all the time.. every tv show, game show, etc.. has Hawaii as an exotic getaway.. when in truth we do have some right below us.. but, it's all about advertising and opportunities..

Hmm.. hope i wasn't rambling.. if I was. please excuse..  Smile



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7798 times:

CO in the 1980s flew JFK-HNL-SYD with a DC-10-30, the flight operated out of the Eastern Airlines Terminal. CO moved the flight to EWR when they opened Terminal C in 1988, however they suspended the flight for nine years relaunching nonstop EWR-HNL in 1997 with a DC-10-30. EWR-HNL switched to a 767-400 around 2001.

Honolulu is important to CO for a couple of reasons,

1.) HNL is a major maintenance facility for CO's widebodies, particulary their 767-400s. They need to rotate their 767-400s to HNL to recieve maintenance so it makes sense to offer revenue flights between EWR and HNL.

2.) HNL is the connecting point between the Continental US and their Micronesian network, they fly to Los Angeles, Houston, Newark, Nagoya, Guam , Majuro, Kwajalein, Kosrea, Pohnpei, Truck (Chuuk) from HNL.

Here's more about CO's Honolulu maintenance base:

http://www.mortenson.com/projects/project_profile.html?projects__id=82



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User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7764 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 6):
A question I have been wondering is why Hawaiian doesn't fly HNL-JFK/IAD/BOS/ORD.. I thought for sure that would be 4 must-do markets..

I remember hearing a few years ago that HA was thinking seriously about flights beyond the West Coast once additional 767s were delivered. I do not know what happened to those plans, though. I have always thought it would be interesting if they could offer a direct JFK-HNL-SYD flight, or at least a well-timed connection (along with other feed from the West Coast), but the scheduling might get tricky and I'm not sure if the yields would make it worthwhile.

Quoting AirlineBrat (Reply 10):
UA flew JFK-HNL nonstop, eons ago..... with a DC-8 no less.

As STT757 noted, CO also flew JFK-HNL at one point, with DC-10s. I believe PA also flew the route with 747s at one time.

Quoting Jammin (Reply 12):
Hmmm, I'm wondering why Americans would go all the way to Hawaii from the East Coast for a holiday when the Caribbean and even Ibiza in the Med would be closer. Plus, you actually get to go another country, maybe even try speaking a foreign language, etc.. But, I guess Hawaii's marketing machine works and still attracts the hordes. Haven't been yet, but I think there's so many other islands I'd want to visit first... oh well...

Don't knock it until you've tried it! Hawaii is much more than just a beach. The Caribbean is nice, but it's not quite the same. And Ibiza isn't that easy to get to from the US, nor is it very warm during our winter. I've been all over Europe, Latin America, even as far as Thailand, Australia and French Polynesia, and I always like trying new places, but there will always be something special about Hawaii.

Quoting Boeingguy1 (Reply 7):
Just a comment on CO EWR-HNL... its a 764, so you have a PTV... not to mention a MEAL! Its the best way to go to the Islands if you live in the NY Metro Area.

Glad to hear it, since I am taking that flight next week!



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User currently offlineJammin From India, joined Nov 2006, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 7646 times:

Quoting Ptugarin (Reply 13):
I'd rather go to South Cone (Argentina/Chile/Uruguay) during Northern winter which is similar distance but pretty much same time zone Smile

That's the other thing I was thinking about while looking at my route map here and noting just how many time zones you cross from the East Coast to HNL compared to the Carib.

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 16):
Don't knock it until you've tried it! Hawaii is much more than just a beach.

But I hear ya FoxBravo, I too have seen through the media everything that Hawaii is and certainly will visit some day.  airplane 

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 14):
One thing I don't get is why don't Caribbean airline fly to more East Coast destinations?

I don't think Caribbean airlines not flying to the East Coast should be a reason for reduced traffic. I feel Americans would generally take US carriers, which would probably be cheaper, plus you can't forgo earning those miles  Yeah sure

Quoting STT757 (Reply 15):
HNL is a major maintenance facility for CO's widebodies

That's interesting and that makes sense for CO.



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6836 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 7576 times:

Quoting WestIndian425 (Reply 11):
A dc-8? That's impressive, to say the least!!

Offhand, I'm guessing CO's EWR-HNL 764 is nearer its full-payload range limit than UA's DC-8-62 was.


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 7503 times:

Quoting Timz (Reply 18):
Offhand, I'm guessing CO's EWR-HNL 764 is nearer its full-payload range limit than UA's DC-8-62 was.

Well...not quite. From the data I have, the DC-8-62 had a range of 5200nm, whereas the 764 has a range of over 5600nm (JFK-HNL is 4330nm). But you're right that it's close to the limit for the 764, when you factor in winds. As was discussed on a thread last week, there were two days in a row when CO15 had to stop at LAX for fuel due to the strong jetstream (instead of offloading pax and/or their bags).



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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6836 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 7419 times:

You're almost right, but I said "full payload". The graphs on Boeing's site show less than 4000 nm for the 767-400ER with full payload.

User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2998 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 7299 times:

Quoting Timz (Reply 20):
You're almost right, but I said "full payload". The graphs on Boeing's site show less than 4000 nm for the 767-400ER with full payload.

Apologies if my data was incorrect. What do you have as the range w/max payload for the DC-8-62, just out of curiosity?



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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1604 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7247 times:

Quoting Jammin (Reply 12):
Hmmm, I'm wondering why Americans would go all the way to Hawaii from the East Coast for a holiday when the Caribbean and even Ibiza in the Med would be closer

Well jeez, you should go and check it out yourself. I've traveled all over the world and by far the place that for me is the most magical, is Hawaii. There is something about the soothing breeze cleansed by 2,500 of open ocean, the way the light filters through the palm trees through an early morning shower, the surprise of whales leaping out of the ocean just off shore, and the ocean of a million hues of blue. True, you can find such things at other locales, but I've never seen a place put it all together like Hawaii.


User currently onlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6771 posts, RR: 17
Reply 23, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7224 times:

Quoting JAAlbert (Reply 22):
True, you can find such things at other locales, but I've never seen a place put it all together like Hawaii.

Also.. isn't a lot of the Caribbean.. well, dangerous? I've never been and planning a trip for either later this year or next year.. but I am always hearing there are only certain "safe" parts to most Caribbean islands.. don't know how true that is.. but that's what I hear..

But for real.. Caribbean Airways and Bahamas Air need to get some DC9, E70, CR7, or 735 and open some more East Coast / Southeast destinations..



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User currently offlineMkirch72 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 198 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (7 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7193 times:

Quoting Jammin (Reply 12):
, you actually get to go another country, maybe even try speaking a foreign language, etc



Quoting Ptugarin (Reply 13):
I don't understand this myself either. I'd rather go to South Cone (Argentina/Chile/Uruguay) during Northern winter which is similar distance but pretty much same time zone

Not sure if either of you have ever been there, but it is the most beautiful place on the planet. I've flown the CO EWR/HNL flight round trip 7 times.

Don't forget, Hawaii was once an independent kingdom and the Hawaiian langauge still exists. So it is both a relaxing tropical oasis as well as a cultural one.

And to say you "don't understand" why people would go there? Hmmmmm..... English is the official language, US dollar is the currency, one of the 50 states, wonderful weather (80's all year), beaches, volcanos, etc., etc.

I wouldn't fault anyone for wanting to go to Argentina....why are you faulting them for wanting to go to Hawaii?


25 Mkirch72 : Just a side note - the first of my seven trips to Hawaii came about because I wanted to spend a week in Puerto Rico. When I checked prices, it was ac
26 Letsgetwet : I have been to alot (most) of the Caribbean and also Hawaii. I agree that Hawaii has beautiful places and alot of pluses, but you are not going to co
27 Mkirch72 : From a very well known travel website (not sure if I can mention the name, but it would be very "expeditious" of you to check it out): I checked for
28 28L28L : AA operated JFK-HNL from Aug. '70 until early '73 utilizing a 707-323B.
29 WDBRR : CO did fly in 1987/1988? JFK-HNL. I have to dig out my OAG Pocket Guide.
30 Justplanecrazy : i agree.I've been to the caribean,Europe,Australia, Tahiti but the Hawaiian islands are my favourite,I'd rather fly 16 hours to Hawaii than 2 hours t
31 Viscount724 : That's when AA also operated HNL-SYD with 707s. It didn't last long.
32 Letsgetwet : The only problem with this list is that Honolulu would not even make my top 25 list of favorite tropical cities. I lived in San Diego for 5 years, an
33 EWRCabincrew : Yes we did. Our HNL crews did that. Some trips the HNL crews went on to ORY out of EWR before heading back to HNL. They were great trips.
34 28L28L : I remember the HNL based CO crews flying all the way to Paris, via NY, back in the late '80s. Interesting to learn that the HNL-NY segment landed at J
35 EWRCabincrew : That could very well be. The trips went HNL-JFK/EWR-ORY-EWR/JFK-HNL then went HNL-LAX-EWR-ORY-EWR-LAX-HNL. We utilised the B Terminal (gates 40s and
36 SESGDL : You also don't need a passport to go to Hawaii, though for many on the East Coast it's like going to another country. It's less of a hassle than leav
37 Airlinebrat : I found this on UA's website in the history section. It looks like UA flew DC-8-62's between JFK and HNL starting in the late 60's. There is quite a b
38 Post contains images Viscount724 : UA bought their 10 DC-8-62s (all delivered in 1969) primarily for those longhaul sectors from JFK/ORD to HNL. UA's were the highest gross weight -62H
39 Timz : Or 5 or 6.
40 Post contains images Gilesdavies : For our American friends, please please do not take Jammin's advise and travel all the way to Ibiza (IBZ), for a sunshine holiday... Unless you like
41 Csavel : Well I agree withthe posters who say Hawaii is gorgeous, but it will never be more than a niche upmarket destination from the East Coast in the same
42 Post contains images Airlinebrat : I think I have flown on every DC-8 model operated by UA as well. Reminds me of the beach resorts in Thailand..... There were tons of drunken Scandina
43 Dutchjet : I flew on the United HNL-JFK nonstop flight back in the Summer of 1974....DC8-62 service that departed HNL in the late afternoon and arrived at JFK i
44 Aloha73G : You must remember, Tahiti is much father than Hawai'i from the East Coast....the Language is French....its much more expensive....you need a passport
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