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User currently offlineDiscoverCSG From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 833 posts, RR: 0
Posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

There's a thread right now about some oddball CO services ex-MSY next week.

We all know that hubs are meant to catch traffic from all over the place and redistribute it to all over the place.

But doesn't there come a point when there's so much O/D traffic between two non-hub cities that an airline could make more money flying a non-stop and overflying the hub?

I suppose AA would qualify with their JFK transcons, but are there examples of such flights from smaller markets?

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User currently offlineContnlEliteCMH From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 1464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

Sure. From CMH you can fly to any of the three NYC area airports on a variety of airlines. I believe Delta flies direct to more than one destination in Florida, and the last time I checked, they also offered direct service to BDL. I'm sure there are other examples.


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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2933 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3550 times:

Quoting DiscoverCSG (Thread starter):
But doesn't there come a point when there's so much O/D traffic between two non-hub cities that an airline could make more money flying a non-stop and overflying the hub?

AA:
SJC-AUS which does quite well. Hopefully SEA-AUS will perform.
SFO-BOS; SFO-HNL; LAX-EWR; LAX-IAD; LAX-MCO; LAX-DEN; LAX-SFO; LAX-AUS; LAX-SAT....do you want them all listed? We'd be here for awhile...


User currently offlineANITIX87 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 3308 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3535 times:
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Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 2):
LAX-EWR; LAX-IAD; LAX-MCO; LAX-DEN; LAX-SFO; LAX-AUS; LAX-SAT

I see an odd trend regarding the origin airport of all those flights. AA seems to have a domestic hub at LAX.

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User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3530 times:

Quoting BigGSFO (Reply 2):
AA:
SJC-AUS which does quite well. Hopefully SEA-AUS will perform.
SFO-BOS; SFO-HNL; LAX-EWR; LAX-IAD; LAX-MCO; LAX-DEN; LAX-SFO; LAX-AUS; LAX-SAT....do you want them all listed? We'd be here for awhile...

isn't LAX one of there hubs? also I am pretty sure that American like most airlines uses the SFO-HNL as a stoping point so one could argue that the route needs the extra lift from the flights that connect. I think what he is asking is about flights were airlines don't have connecting traffic, I think SFO is on the fence but I think it could go either way.



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 5, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3515 times:

Well, technically ALL of ExpressJet's upcoming independent services are non-hub flights...I mean BFL-SAN? I'm doing cartwheels that it BY-PASSES a "hub" airport!!


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User currently offlineDIA77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 705 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3509 times:

Quoting MPDPilot (Reply 4):
isn't LAX one of there hubs? also

Technically, LAX isn't an AA hub (UA has more departures than AA). AA started their larger LAX ops after their acquisition of Reno Air.


User currently offlineEagle11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3434 times:

Isn't that what Southwest has based their whole business model on, O&D traffic?

To answer your question, yet there is enough of a market and yes, many airlines already do fly many P2P routes.



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User currently offlineMPDPilot From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 994 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3423 times:

Quoting DIA77 (Reply 6):
Technically, LAX isn't an AA hub (UA has more departures than AA). AA started their larger LAX ops after their acquisition of Reno Air.

I don't understand I have always thought it was a hub. Just to point out UA has more opps at ORD than AA but it is still a hub for them. Maybe I am wrong.



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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2933 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 3368 times:

AA does not consider LAX a hub. A focus city perhaps, but not a hub. AA's "official" hubs (by their definition) are: DFW, ORD, MIA, STL and SJU.

User currently offlineKrsw757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (7 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 3300 times:

Half of airtran's flights into RSW are non hub routes.

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