WMUPilot From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1473 posts, RR: 13 Reply 3, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13158 times:
Flight 751 blocked off the gate at 0818 and then blocked back at the gate at 1000 and the flight was cancelled at that point.
Dampfnudel From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 81 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 13112 times:
I just heard on WABC (Eyewitness News) that they finally let the passengers off to claim their bags. They'll be given full refunds and a free round-trip ticket for future travel. No sunny Mexican beaches this week.
Jibblets From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 36 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13098 times:
Quoting Spinkid (Thread starter): CNN is reporting that B6 flight 751 to CUN was stuck on the runway for over 8 hours today. Not very good press for them today.
Teleprompters apparently cannot be loaded with the words "apron" or "taxiway" when referring to commercial airline equipment that is somewhere between the gate and flying through the air. Apparently planes just go from runway to gate to runway.
Jmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3159 posts, RR: 17 Reply 7, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 13038 times:
Quoting Riddle274 (Reply 2): Rumor has it that somehow they ran out of gates . . . why they couldn't utilize a hardstand/airstair is beyond me . . .
Hello! Perhaps that was a resource that wasn't available to them for some time. The pilot can't just pull such equipment out of thin air. There is this little thing called logistics.
FLyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1623 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12985 times:
Delta JFK is out of gate space so we just parked a Mad Dogg in out Delta COnnection area. It looks so huge next to all of the little CRJ's
Dampfnudel From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 81 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12950 times:
Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 7): Hello! Perhaps that was a resource that wasn't available to them for some time. The pilot can't just pull such equipment out of thin air. There is this little thing called logistics.
Some people just don't understand the concept of logistics. If I was a passenger on that plane, I would understand that concept...to a point.
HZ747300 From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2004, 1596 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12895 times:
Quoting Dampfnudel (Reply 9): Some people just don't understand the concept of logistics. If I was a passenger on that plane, I would understand that concept...to a point.
Don't Airbus A320s come equipped with airstairs built-in? Could they not have borrowed / rented a gate from AA domestic side for 30 minutes?
Remember with AA587 crashed, jetBlue setup a makeshift hub in Newburgh and bussed passengers down to the city. have they lost their creativity in just a few short years???
Riddle274 From United States of America, joined Feb 2007, 75 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12877 times:
Quoting Dampfnudel (Reply 9): Some people just don't understand the concept of logistics. If I was a passenger on that plane, I would understand that concept...to a point.
Yes, that is my point . . . we may understand that, but for a passenger who has been sitting on a plane for "8 hours", that may be a question that comes to mind. Regardless, I'm sure the crews did the best they could under those conditions.
FlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1623 posts, RR: 3 Reply 12, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12854 times:
Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 10): Don't Airbus A320s come equipped with airstairs built-in? Could they not have borrowed / rented a gate from AA domestic side for 30 minutes?
Ewmahle From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 109 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12838 times:
It is understanding that a plane cant just be pulled into anywhere and parked. But what is the reason that it takes hours for a bus to be utilized. Do you think that JetBlue waited to call upon the bus service or was it truely that difficult to find a bus. I have not been to JFK. Do they not have busses that run between terminals like PHL or IAD? Even if they don't I am pretty sure there are shuttles in the parking lot. That is what does't make sense to me, maybe someone can shed some light.
Dampfnudel From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 81 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12841 times:
Now WABC news is saying a total of four B6 planes were stranded on the tarmac at JFK.
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12576 times:
Quoting Jibblets (Reply 5): Teleprompters apparently cannot be loaded with the words "apron" or "taxiway" when referring to commercial airline equipment that is somewhere between the gate and flying through the air. Apparently planes just go from runway to gate to runway.
I think the teleprompters also have software what automatically defaults to using the work "tarmac" whenever referring to a general paved surface anywhere on an airport, irrespective of it being a runway, taxiway, or ramp area. I have 25+ years in the biz, and I've yet to hear any airline person use the word "tarmac" in any context.
Quoting HZ747300 (Reply 10): Remember with AA587 crashed, jetBlue setup a makeshift hub in Newburgh and bussed passengers down to the city. have they lost their creativity in just a few short years???
I must have missed that one. Since AA587 crashed well off-airport, with JFK itself not having been closed (to the best of my knowledge, or if it was closed, only briefly for a runway inspection, etc.), why would jetBlue have had the need for a makeshift hub at SWF?
VEEREF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 12437 times:
Pretty sure if there was a way the airline could have gotten people off the plane they would have. Just as bad for the crews and the airline as it is for the pax.
Weather happens, and I think we can now safely say no airline is immune. I'm sure B6 didn't have the only problems around the country.
FFlyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 732 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 12381 times:
WABC-NY quoted airport officials, that they would have sent a bus to get the pax out of the plane, but JetBlue did aks for that only after that close to 8 hours had passed. So it was not like;
Quoting VEEREF (Reply 16): Pretty sure if there was a way the airline could have gotten people off the plane they would have
Didn't they introduce a law that requires airlines to handle these situations better?
Wouldn't being stuck on a B6 A320 for 8 hours be better than being on an AA MD-80 for that amount of time? Unless the TV's weren't on and they didn't hand out food. Then the only good thing would be more legroom, but that doesn't help pass the time, just makes it more bearable.
Hiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2117 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 12372 times:
With what has happened with pax on aircaft during weather events the past two years you don't open yourself up to even coming close to it. B6 had facility issues at JFK as they went to the FAA to have a groundstop to JFK issued for just their aircraft this morning. That would tend to indicate that they had a situation already at JFK and needed the FAA's help to stop their own aircraft from taking off at outlying stations. CO had to do the same at CLE and UA did the same for their Express at IAD today.
Aeroflot777 From Russia, joined Mar 2004, 2957 posts, RR: 30 Reply 21, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 12280 times:
It's a little amazing to see comments like, "Couldn't they have done something", or "Have they lost their creativity".
I'm 100% positive that jetBlue wasn't just sitting there and getting a kick out of the situation. It's not like they wanted to keep the pax stranded. There was just no way of getting them out of there for whatever reason, and we are no one to judge that.
Welcome to the chaotic travel industry. The skies are so packed, a little problem can turn into a big one, I'm not even talking about weather. Problems occur. Mistakes happen.
The pax are getting great compensation, just let it all go...
VEEREF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 22, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 12250 times:
Quoting FFlyer (Reply 17): Didn't they introduce a law that requires airlines to handle these situations better?
And if you read the article further, the reason is that they were going to try to get the flight off if they could. Sometimes a window can open very quickly, and if you're back at the gate with everyone milling around the terminal most likely you will miss it.
Either way it was a bad situation. I have been in that same situation many times and things change very quickly. I've been told there's a ground stop with no updates and gone back to the gate to let everyone off the plane, only to be told 10 minutes later that I need to be in the air within 15 minutes. Impossible if I have pax running al over the terminal, then get in back in line for takeoff.
Daus From United States of America, joined May 2005, 284 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 12221 times:
What most people don't userstand (including me) is what the "logistical" problem really is. Northwest gets dinged with these occurances every once in a while. Common sense, would indicate that you move a different plane (which isn't going anywhere anytime soon) away from a gate, in order for this plane to return and allow de-planing.
Is it that there is no equipment to move a plane away?
Is it not safe or possible to move a plane and free a gate during that kind of weather?
Could the stranded plane not make it back to the gate even if they did free a gate?
Is it not all "logisitcs" but the desire of the airline not to cancel the flight in the first place?
Flypdx From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 636 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (6 years 3 months 4 days ago) and read 12223 times:
Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 15): I must have missed that one. Since AA587 crashed well off-airport, with JFK itself not having been closed (to the best of my knowledge, or if it was closed, only briefly for a runway inspection, etc.), why would jetBlue have had the need for a makeshift hub at SWF?
I believe that JFK was shut down after the crash for quite some time that day due to terrorism concerns.
25 VEEREF: Any of the above could be correct, in any combination, as well as a myriad of other possible factors. It's a no win situation for both sides, but it'
26 WorldTraveler: I'm sorry but I can't understand how an airline asks the FAA to impose a groundstop for its own flights because of gate management isues. American Eag
27 BayAreaBlue: Today has been a very tough day at JetBlue. With IAD, JFK and BOS being closed for a major part of the day and only limited operations are occuring, d
28 OPNLguy: It's really pretty simple. One call to ATCSCC who issues the groundstop for you, versus the airline's OCC making multiple calls to multiple airports
29 Lincoln: If it didn't happen after the Nothwest cluster a few years ago I wouldn't put money on it hapening any time soon. Regardless, if a flight blocked out
30 VEEREF: The airlines understand. Yes. When there isn't a major snowstorm sitting on the entire east coast. If there are already aircraft on gates that can't
31 RJpieces: This doesn't appear nearly as bad as the horrible winter storm of 2006, when jetBlue just had 12 or so gates (before the temporary terminal opened) an
32 BayAreaBlue: In JFK, if the a/c are not RON at the gate, they are parked on the hard stand which is on the other side of the construction area for the new T5. A/c
33 RP TPA: Based on some of the aviation stories over the years, I'm not entirely certain that the media understands the concept of "runway" and "gate", let alo
34 DSMflyer: You weren't working this one, were you?
35 AeroWesty: Whichever airline he was on will probably get a roasting tomorrow night on his show.
36 Mir: No they do not. None of those either. The parking lots are all reached by AirTrain now. Probably there is equipment, but: Safe, yes. Possible, perhap
37 Ikramerica: People sure are giving B6 the benefit of the doubt for the most part, as contrasted to AA, where people, including myself, were not cutting them any s
38 FXramper: Apple and oranges...get over it. Ridiculous to say the least about B6. The morning AUS flight into JFK also sat for almost 8 hrs after arrival. Lavs
39 Wdleiser: What if all the B6 gates were taken, other planes taking up space on the tarmac and taxiways and weather that is bad enough that tugs will have troub
40 RJpieces: All of the B6 gates were taken because B6 always tries to operate as many flights as possible during snowstorms. If they had cancelled flights in ant
41 Wukka: Anyone in their right mind would have called for an immediate offload due to a medical emergency (or emergencies) at that point. Regardless of the sk
42 InTheSky74: I'm sorry, but I can't sit here and watch people BASH JetBlue when they were not the only airline to have this problem today. It seems that everyone l
43 Jamake1: It's pretty amazing. We can send a man to the moon, astronauts into space, but we cannot get passengers off of an airplane during a winter snowstorm.
44 HB-IWC: I believe it wasn't just B6 last night. KL641 AMS JFK, for instance, used almost 13 hours gate to gate for a total flying time of just under 8 hours.
45 EDICHC: It never ceases to amaze me how air transportation goes into meltdown in the US as soon as the weather turns nasty! As another poster said, you guys m
46 OPNLguy: MSY has ILS CAT-I, CAT-II, and CAT-III approaches to runway 10 available. Now, some questions for you. What was the weather when the inbound flight a
47 NYCAAer: JetBlue didn't have a monopoly on passengers being trapped on airplanes. I don't know why they're the only ones getting the bad press. I was scheduled
48 JetJock22: Everyone got caught with their pants around their ankles yesterday, plain and simple. Best thing to do now is to look ahead to today and do the best t
49 HB-IWC: That must have been about the average yesterday after 5pm. Some not so lucky ones sat on some taxiway for up to 6 hours after a transatlantic or tran
50 JetBluefan1: This was definitely not handled correctly, but keep in mind that JetBlue was not the only airline that had such problems. JFK was an absolute disaster
51 IH8B6: Here we go again….. Yes, it sucks all of those people were stuck on the flight for 8 plus hours. Many airlines had many pax stuck on many airplanes
52 OPNLguy: It's not necessarily so much a lack of de-icing trucks sometimes as it is a lack of functional de-icing trucks available for use at exactly the time
53 ImperialEagle: This is going to throw more fuel on the fire, as next week the US Senate is due to hear requests for a "Passengers Bill of Rights". I've heard pax. sa
54 OPNLguy: Great idea--all we need are injuries from passenger-induced evacuations that put folks down on the ramp and/or taxiways with aircraft engines running
55 AJMIA: Yes but these people were flying from New York. I am originally from New York. In New York a two hour delay in real time translates into an eight hou
56 Halls120: Excellent point. They couldn't driven a bus out to the aircraft that couldn't get to a gate? Maybe JFK needs to have a place set aside for incoming a
57 Hiflyer: I'm sorry but I don't buy stranding pax off gate. That is amateurish on many levels and clear sign of a lack of policy and planning. 35 years in airpo
58 Jfk777: I hope today JFK has more de-icing trucks, it speaks badly of the USA to have a situation at JFK showing how we can't handle a winter storm. In Canada
59 SeeTheWorld: JetBlue screwed up yesterday at JFK. It appears that they were trying too hard to keep their schedule intact, which was risky especially since it was
60 TheSorcerer: Wow that's some delay. Longest delay I've ever had was 4 hours and that was in the airport, not the A/C. Dominic
61 Tsnamm: B6 is being bashed hard in the local press in NYC...the stranded passengers and aircraft stranding horror stories are all over the TV and radio includ
62 Nycfly75: Indeed, while not defending anything that happened, the NWS maintained up until mid morning that JFK and the entire south shore of Long Island would
63 Spacecadet: There are two things I think some of you who are defending JetBlue here either aren't understanding or just plain don't know: 1) It wasn't one flight.
64 Clickhappy: So, they were trying to keep the departure window open, with no food and drink, and overflowing toilets? Sure they were.
65 IAHFLYR: Yeah so they can all sit and watch the outside of their airplane throught the snow on TV. What other airline kept their passengers and crew on an air
66 LawnDart: I've got a great idea...let's take all the airwhiners on this thread who think B6 royally screwed up, and let's have them deal with JFK operations the
67 Richierich: I think somebody dropped the ball on this one. There had to be something that could be done. I would be inclined to agree with you, but the "food" co
68 HB-IWC: Plenty of longhaul inbounds took between 3 and 8 hours just to reach the gate last night. B6 was really not an exception in this case.
70 Charger: So that makes everything alright? Plain and simple truth. Even if some here refuse to believe it. I did hear the part about 4 flights, I didn't hear
71 Mir: JFK does have places where airplanes will be sent to wait. But eventually those places fill up, and then what is one supposed to do? -Mir
72 Jonathan L: What does that have to do with anything? That's like going into my dentist and expecting him to do my taxes. B6 is an airline, right?! I hope they an
73 PanAmOldDC8: I really don't see the big fuss about this, it is a storm in a teacup. I think that the pax were lucky not to have been circling for the 6 hours. I sa
74 JRodriguez136: In my opinion this is being put out of proportion. Like it has been said before other airlines went through the same situation, maybe worse. What I am
75 IAHFLYR: Oh really! So the media has singled JetBlue out to be the sacrificial snowman to be put on the burner?
76 Hiflyer: First off a lot of airlines were impacted...granted. And a few carriers even used the FAA to ground their own aircraft...true. However...a lot of carr
77 Flybyguy: I think Nelemann should just publicly fire the Captain and any other decision maker involved in this. Having such an aggregious delay has most certain
79 PanAmOldDC8: Why? Maybe it was not his decision, but someone higher up. This is a story that has the hallmarks of the press trying to kill an airline
80 Cjpark: Safety is paramount, if you cannot take off without putting your plane and passengers at risk because of weather unloading passengers in the same wea
81 AJMIA: I have never flown on B6 before. Is the reception bad on their seat back TVs? If they had the weather channel on the flight at least they would have
82 Bond007: Uh, Why?? They are both very valid comments. It's absolutely amazing to see comments like yours Oh right! I don't think some people here get the poin
83 Richierich: I wouldn't say that, but there were other airlines with significant problems at JFK last night. I've heard of at least one Olympic flight to Athens a
84 Nycfly75: The airlines werent the only ones caught off guard: http://1010wins.com/pages/234583.php?contentType=4&contentId=326162 Again, I think what happened i
85 Caspian27: Stuff breaks. The tower called us 2 days ago because they thought they saw flames coming out of one of our engines. Turns out the deicer was on fire.
86 WMUPilot: Everybody's first thought is "blame it on the flight crew". There is only a captain or flight attendant can do before the situation is out of their h
87 AeroWesty: This is a classic case of when you need to light a cigarette, and they'd have stairs up to that plane so fast, it'd make everyone's head spin. Can you
88 Positiverate: A little thing that B6 did not apparently grasp. No, they aren't. There's no hearing scheduled in the Senate on this issue. Try again. That's complet
89 Richierich: While you maybe correct, I would also like to point out that with the icy conditions yesterday, simply pulling up a set of airstairs and deplaning 15
90 AeroWesty: I never proposed that. I said pull them up to a gate. A real gate with a jetway. They can easily make one gate available to empty passengers, then pu
91 Richierich: It sounds easy, but it sounds to me like there were problems with the jetbridges and/or tractors. In other words, the planes at the gate could not ea
92 Isitsafenow: I just watched a video with two pax and the crew told the pax that ops was no longer "taking their calls",meaning they were busy enough with other pl
93 Richierich: Reception is generally good, but why are you asking on this thread? It can happen on any airline, but it shouldn't happen at all.
94 Delta777: Air stairs and mobile units are a liablity that the Port Autthority of NY does not want to deal with (or so we are told by B6 pilots yesturday) D E L
95 IAHFLYR: LOL....I have no idea, never set foot on one of their aircraft, I was joking.
96 AeroWesty: Well I don't profess to know how to run an airport, but as soon as JetBlue called for help, apparently the airport gave it to them. Be it a jetbridge
97 Jumpseat70: I get a sense that this was a "creeping" delay, one that occurred slowly. These are the worst kind. You keep thinking things are going to get better a
98 Richierich: Well of course not. I'm not suggesting that is the case here. But keep in mind that there was not an actual emergency on board. That doesn't make it
99 Style: 8+ hours on a plane is like going from JFK-OSL. Thats just crazy. There should never be a time in airport operations regardless of day or night, snow,
100 Flybyguy: Particularly the captain was within his rights to declare an emergency if the situation aboard the aircraft became unhealthy. Pilots routinely declar
101 AeroWesty: Again, the suggestion of airstairs were made in a jocular way when mentioning how fast they'd get people off the plane if you started smoking. It's a
102 ImperialEagle: Agreed----which is why in the next sentence----that you did not highlight----I called it "an act of desparation". Thankyou for the feedback---that is
103 Halls120: Drive a bus and some stairs out the airplane and unload. What, JetBlue can't deplane from anything but a jetbridge? Why not?
104 WMUPilot: David will be on CNBC here is a few minutes. He will be discussing the problems last night.
105 Richierich: You are a well-respected user of a.net, but I would think common sense says that if somebody is smoking or making threats against the crew, they brin
106 AsstChiefMark: I've always wondered why the passengers just don't unite in a massive protest. Everyone start screaming, yelling, or chanting. Everyone start using ce
107 ImperialEagle: O.K. then, on the ABC "GMA" show this morning a woman named Kate Hanni (who spent nearly 10 hours trapped on AA #1348 last Dec. 29th) appeared and wa
108 WMUPilot: Insighting a riot onboard a US Air Carrier is not going to get you off that aircraft. Instead it is going to get you an extended visit with the FBI.
109 AsstChiefMark: Chanting or yelling is inciting a riot? Everyone using their cell phones to call 9-1-1 to report a hostage situation is inciting a riot? Mark
110 Positiverate: My apologies. Usually "presented to the Senate" connotates a hearing. In fact she's been on the Hill all this week. Actually, other then her, there i
111 AirTranTUS: If, you've ever seen their LGB operation, they can use stairs. I do recognize the sarcasm in your post though. They could always stage a sit-in. Have
112 WMUPilot: You think the Flight Attendants or Flight crew are going to put up with it? Yelling, screaming, or doing anything of that nature, which will, could,
113 Positiverate: Ok, he declares an emergency. Then what? If there's no assets to assist passengers in getting off the airplane, what good does that do?
114 AsstChiefMark: If the flight crew and airline claims the aircraft is "stuck" and not going anywhere for a while, a sit-in wouldn't really accomplish much. Mark
115 ImperialEagle: Yes indeed-----perhaps Congress can get a "non-binding" resolution passed.
116 Positiverate: IF they aren't interfering with the duties of the crew, how would they get in trouble? Chanting in a non-violent way that they want to get off certai
117 Positiverate: You joke, but I would rather have Congress working on important matters like what happens in Iraq than something like this.
118 AeroWesty: And it's certainly within a passenger's right to report an unsanitary condition. There are laws on the books to prevent such. With all the new carry-
119 WMUPilot: Howrndo you think the flight crew is going to respond? What do you thinkrnthey are going to tell the authorities when they arrive. If you want tornle
120 AeroWesty: The "reasonable and prudent man" rule would come into effect. If you were in danger, is it be reasonable and prudent to call for help by any means th
121 WMUPilot: Calling for help, yes. You can call for help on the phone. However, I as well as any other flight attendant for any other airline, will not take too
122 AeroWesty: Hello, the airline created a hostile, unsafe environment for the passengers. Your opinion is duly noted. You still haven't made a case for how callin
124 WMUPilot: Now i'm not backing the decision of the company, infact i'm 100% against it, but how was the environemt hostile or unsafe? Their lives weren't in dan
125 AeroWesty: I disagree. Toilets overflowing is an unsanitary condition in violation of public health laws. I'd be on the horn stat to the company to say "time to
126 WMUPilot: I hadn't heard anything like that but I wouldn't believe EVERYTHING that people tell the media. If it happened then you have a big problem. I'm 100%
127 AeroWesty: Well neither of us were on the planes, so neither of us have first-hand knowledge of what happened, we can only go by what was reported. This wasn't
128 WMUPilot: LOL that I don't believe because we don't charge for the TVs. We have no fee to watch TV, only F9 charges for TV watch :P
129 AeroWesty: They do charge for movies, according to a press release, and that certainly could be what he was referring to. As I've said, I've never flown JetBlue
130 WMUPilot: Yes, we do charge for the movies, unfortunatly there is no way to activate them on the ground, i wish that would change, and it may. The activation of
131 AJMIA: I asked this question in this thread because IAHFLYR made this reply and I was not sure if he was joking or being serious about the TV as I have neve
132 AeroWesty: Until you mentioned it in this thread, I wasn't aware of it. Now see, if I was a JetBlue employee, and saw that bit on CNN, I'd be firing off an e-ma
133 WMUPilot: I would, but that would portray me as a company spokes person, which could land me in serious trouble with the company, something which I do try hard
134 AsstChiefMark: I'll make a prediction. Someday, a diabetic or heart attack patient will die on one of these "stuck" aircraft. The "stuck" aircraft that will be withi
135 VEEREF: Bottom line here is that Wal Mart airfares don't pay for extra equipment and resources to handle things that don't happen frequently. Where would the
136 AeroWesty: I don't see what would be so bad about just opening up a gate to bring the planes into one by one to disembark the passengers, as I've said above. In
137 Mir: Let's say that all the gates are full, and there is no taxiway space to allow one plane to be pushed back to free one up. Then what? That does happen
138 AsstChiefMark: Plow a path from the plane to the nearest jetway. Pull up a set of stairs. Open the door. Escort passengers to jetway. Ta da! Mark
139 F9Animal: Wow. It was a mess from what I heard, but B6 is not the only airline in history that has had something like this happen. Plowing a path, slapping some
140 AsstChiefMark: It's a risk management thing. I think there's less financial and PR risk to get those people off the aircraft, especially if it's within 200 feet fro
141 WMUPilot: I don't think you can walk up to the valve stem of a 320 tire, stick a pen into it and let the air out.
142 JetBluefan1: If only things were that easy. But this is the U.S., where people will sue for anything. Not to mention, if planes were frozen to the ground, I'm not
143 AsstChiefMark: Why did the idiotic pilots think they could fly in the first place? There has to be a point when a pilot looks out of the window, the common sense ki
144 TristarCrazy: Dave Letterman will have a top 10 about this tonight!! Maybe some humor in this mess is what everyone needs.....
145 InTheSky74: Two VERY interesting stories on tonights NY newscasts.... First, DL passengers were stuck for over 11 hours on board flights yesterday as well.... htt
146 InTheSky74: Did anyone happen to catch Joe Scarborough on MSNBC tonight? He was stuck on a Delta plane from LGA yesterday for over 9 hours..... He kept calling in
147 AsstChiefMark: Sounds like it wasn't the aircraft that were frozen. Just let a little air out of the tires on the jetways and give them a little rocking swivel. I'l
148 Indy: There is absolutely no excuse for this. Logistics? Not the customers problem. Refunds and free flights? If you held as a prisoner on a jet for over 8
150 Positiverate: TO play devil's advocate, one could certainly argue that the action that lead to the hostile environment was in fact created by JetBlue. And thus, a
151 TPAnx: Interesting to note that an analyst has put a "buy" recommendation on JetBlue stock..and it rose Thursday, TPAnx
152 Positiverate: " target=_blank>http://wcbstv.com/video/?id=96738@wc...t.com "Stuck" on a flight that was at the gate, with the boarding door open, and passengers abl
153 Bond007: Actually it's extremely poorly worded, and I assume most of those 98% didn't read and/or understand the question. OK, so the inbound flight is delaye
154 InTheSky74: According to WCBS, they claimed they were not able to get "on and off" the Delta flight in JFK - even though that is what Delta is saying.... Delta al
155 AirTranTUS: Ladies and Gentlemen here is last nights Top Ten list! Top Ten JetBlue excuses: 10. 10-hour delay? Hey, that's actually pretty good for us 9. It could
156 VEEREF: At least all of those people weren't stuck on the highway in PA for an entire day. A little perspective here people.
157 Positiverate: So it's a he said she said. We'll see. Really? I was on a B6 flight from IAD to LAS that cancelled due to weather. We asked about a hotel vouncher si
158 Positiverate: Or better yet...spray a little deicing fluid on them.
159 Tsaord: Now thats just awful. They found no way to get thoese passengers off a plane at the airport? It took 8 hours? Thats just a shame and Im sure no one he
160 Richierich: I tend to think that overflowing lavs sounds an awful lot like media hype to me. I guess a lav or two could have clogged but I doubt anything was "ov
161 VEEREF: I'm sure the people who died in this storm would probably disagree. 8 hours isn't even a measurable blip in those passengers' lives. They need to get
162 AeroWesty: Yes, I did. He was in a middle seat, 41E, IIRC, between a man on one side, and a woman and her increasingly angry dog on the other. He wasn't a happy
163 Positiverate: Just because he is a talking head doesn't mean he should get a free upgrade. Military members traveling in uniform, newlyweds on their honeymoon, etc
164 AeroWesty: He's also a former member of congress. My musings were rhetorical anyway, having flown out of LAX too often.
165 AsstChiefMark: I keep forgetting that. It's because he doesn't have that typical son-of-a-bitchin' politician persona. Mark
167 AeroWesty: You're making WAY too much out of what I've already clarified for you: There used to be this thing called courtesy, that has now been replaced by but
168 Positiverate: Hey, you're the one that implied DL should have upgraded him. I was only trying to get your explanation as to why you thought so. If you don't want t
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