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Where Is The El Paso Cv990?  
User currently offlineBTCCMan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2531 times:

Does anyone know the fate of the Greco Air Cv-990 stored at El Paso for many years? I just checked Google Earth and it is gone from it's former resting place... not any easy thing to hide, and I am sure that premium hanger space is not being used, but I may be mistaken... the aircraft was up for sale a year ago, with the El Paso Airport Authority suggesting that it had to be removed within 30 days of a pending auction, but all seemed to go quiet. Any info would be gratefully received.

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User currently offlineAirplaneFan From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

I searched on Google Earth and found out that the Convair 990 is still there. Here is a picture from Google Earth: http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t96/AirplaneFan/NewPicture.jpg?t=1171499686

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User currently offlineBTCCMan From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2455 times:

I must be blind - thanks very much! I should learn to zoom in more!  Smile

User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1864 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

Got to love that stored Jetway too!

User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4949 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

Wasn't that aircraft susposed to go to some museum in Houston? Anyone know what happened?


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6343 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2339 times:

Last I heard, the airport gave the owners an ultimatum for unpaid storage fees that they didn't meet, so the plane went up for auction and was sold to someone who wanter to cut her up for scrap...  Sad I hope that someone saved her from that fate, she was the last airworthy CV-990 left in the world.

The ICAO has striken the type from the recognized types list, which significantly complicates any efforts to fly her out (should you happen to bump into three people with a CV-990 type rating  Wink ).



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6343 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2336 times:

Quoting AirplaneFan (Reply 1):
I searched on Google Earth and found out that the Convair 990 is still there. Here is a picture from Google Earth:

Google Earth's pictures of ELP are outdated. You can still see a couple of WN 732's at the gate, an AA F100 at gate A3, and I believe the runway 26L/8R resurfacing project was completed in early 2003...



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6343 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

Quoting Type-Rated (Reply 4):
Wasn't that aircraft susposed to go to some museum in Houston? Anyone know what happened?

The deal fell through because they couldn't get insurance for the ferry flight to HOU...  Sad They had problems, too, because the ICAO no longer recognizes the CV-990 type...



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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 7):
They had problems, too, because the ICAO no longer recognizes the CV-990 type...

I wouldn't have thought that would have been all that much of an obstacle. I mean, this would have been a FAA-blessed one-time ferry flight ELP-HOU (IAH?) and wasn't like they were going to put her back into regular service on international routes.

(Can you imagine the fuel burn on this thing, especially since she's non-RVSM and can only get as high as FL270 eastbound?)

Maybe the ICAO requirement was a condition for the insurance, since alot of that is London/UK-based...


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6343 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2190 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
this would have been a FAA-blessed one-time ferry flight ELP-HOU (IAH?)

It would indeed have been HOU. I understand the museum that was interested is based in the old, original terminal building at Hobby...



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User currently offlineTeamAmerica From United States of America, joined Sep 2006, 1761 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2168 times:

Quoting AirplaneFan (Reply 1):
I searched on Google Earth and found out that the Convair 990 is still there

 alert  Don't be so sure...see following...

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 6):
Google Earth's pictures of ELP are outdated.

Yes they are! In fact, most of Google Earth/Google Maps "satellite" imagery is from circa 2000. All we know from that image is that the CV990 was there several years ago.

Looking for my house on Google Earth, I see an empty lot. I've lived there for five years. I can also see my old car from about seven years ago simultaneously in two different locations. smile 



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6343 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (7 years 5 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 2107 times:

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
I wouldn't have thought that would have been all that much of an obstacle. I mean, this would have been a FAA-blessed one-time ferry flight ELP-HOU (IAH?) and wasn't like they were going to put her back into regular service on international routes.

What do you put on your flight plan for the type? The FAA's computers draw their data from the ICAO list nowadays...

[pure conjecture]
You would probably have to re-register her as an experimental, and go through all of the rigamerole required with that, including numerous FAA airworthiness inspections, whereas before, all you had to prove was compliance with all inspections required for part 91 operation up to and including the MEL
[/pure conjecture]

Of course, if you're flying on a ferry permit, you do require an FAA inspection as well...however I had heard that she was up-to-date the last time she was flown (1995 or so...). I don't know airliners, so I don't know what time-limited inspection intervals may have passed, but if she was a GA bird (which I realize a transport-category jet most certainly is not  Wink ), all she would need to be legal is an annual inspection and any applicable AD's from the intervening time period would have to be applied.



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User currently offlineType-Rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4949 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (7 years 5 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 1991 times:

I would think that a lot of things would have to be changed out, like anything rubber would have dry rotted in the past 10 years or so. The cost of getting it airworthy for a ferry flight would have been astronomical!
Where in the world would that museum in the old air terminal put her? There isn't much ramp space around there, and the CV-990 is a relatively large bird.



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